NIL Convo

[AppStFan1]

Here is a good article on Sam Houston who is winning with bad NIL resources. I love Keeler's mindset to not let this stop them from winning. The comments from their GM are the attitude that many of our fans and athletic department need to take on instead of making NIL an excuse.

https://www.cbssports.com/college-footb ... n-the-fbs/

[ah59396]

Sam Houston went 3-9 last year and their best win this season is Texas State.

It’s a nice story, but just like ULM, if they do finish with 8+ wins they will be absolutely gutted from coaching to players, and they’ll be back to awful next year. That’s the reality of NIL and transfer portal life for a bottom barrel G5.

[AppStFan1]

Sam Houston went 3-9 last year and their best win this season is Texas State.

It’s a nice story, but just like ULM, if they do finish with 8+ wins they will be absolutely gutted from coaching to players, and they’ll be back to awful next year. That’s the reality of NIL and transfer portal life for a bottom barrel G5.

Obviously it does not fix it forever. My point is that I like their attitude regarding it and how they look for ways to overcome it. Unless we are a P4 team with elite resources we will have to worry about being poached. Even schools like Oklahoma have lost a top tier player to the portal.

[AppinVA]

So the point is if we suck on purpose, we won’t be forced to suck accidentally.

[appdaze]

So the point is if we suck on purpose, we won’t be forced to suck accidentally.

Excellent quote. So many applications and interpretations.

[MrCraig]

I'm going to post this one more time, then I'm not interacting with another NIL discussion.
NIL hasn't changed anything in college athletics, it's just brought it into the open. The big boys have always had more money, toys, facilities, etc. They've always been able to give players what they wanted, one way or another. Teams like App, Sam Houston, Boise St, etc. have always and will continue to find success by recruiting guys who are looked over by the big time schools.
App couldn't compete monetarily with Alabama in 2004, they can't in 2024, and they won't in 2054. It doesn't matter. There are enough hungry, dedicated young men who want to ball to make a winning team without all the rest of the stuff. Some guys will get attention at App and transfer to a big school, so App coaches will have to find the next guy to fill the game. Same as it ever was.

[appdaze]

One thing about moving to P4 that I think gets overestimated. So hypothetically we get in the ACC. We now get a piece of the pie on their TV contracts. Our football games already sell out. Our basketball would get a spike in ticket sales. But that alone will not magically make us top tier. Sure some stadium expansions could occur, but our biggest issue still remains. We don't offer enough high paying degrees. Our alumni cannot foot the NIL bill just like we couldn't foot the yosef club donations. Our next chancellor needs to be a bulldog in the academic arena to get us more upper earning degree programs. Too much focus is out on football to be this end all cure for the whole school, fanbase, alumni, etc. Our onfield product, I believe, is starting to peak out what we can do with what our fanbase/alum can or are willing to provide. We've got to win the battle on academic if we want our athletics to grow past this point.

[appdaze]

I'm going to post this one more time, then I'm not interacting with another NIL discussion.
NIL hasn't changed anything in college athletics, it's just brought it into the open. The big boys have always had more money, toys, facilities, etc. They've always been able to give players what they wanted, one way or another. Teams like App, Sam Houston, Boise St, etc. have always and will continue to find success by recruiting guys who are looked over by the big time schools.
App couldn't compete monetarily with Alabama in 2004, they can't in 2024, and they won't in 2054. It doesn't matter. There are enough hungry, dedicated young men who want to ball to make a winning team without all the rest of the stuff. Some guys will get attention at App and transfer to a big school, so App coaches will have to find the next guy to fill the game. Same as it ever was.

I ha e to disagree with you, but as you said, it's a dead beaten horse.

We've never had anything like the combo of the portal and NIL.

[AppinVA]

So the point is if we suck on purpose, we won’t be forced to suck accidentally.

Excellent quote. So many applications and interpretations.

Hmmmm…That would definitely mean something different in, say, prison.

[AppDub]

So the point is if we suck on purpose, we won’t be forced to suck accidentally.

Certainly would be nice to know we are going to suck and expect it instead of getting our hopes up and sucking unexpectedly.

[Bootsy]

So the point is if we suck on purpose, we won’t be forced to suck accidentally.

Definitely many different meanings can be derived based on the context.
Thank you and HUZZAH to you, sir!

[AppStFan1]

I'm going to post this one more time, then I'm not interacting with another NIL discussion.
NIL hasn't changed anything in college athletics, it's just brought it into the open. The big boys have always had more money, toys, facilities, etc. They've always been able to give players what they wanted, one way or another. Teams like App, Sam Houston, Boise St, etc. have always and will continue to find success by recruiting guys who are looked over by the big time schools.
App couldn't compete monetarily with Alabama in 2004, they can't in 2024, and they won't in 2054. It doesn't matter. There are enough hungry, dedicated young men who want to ball to make a winning team without all the rest of the stuff. Some guys will get attention at App and transfer to a big school, so App coaches will have to find the next guy to fill the game. Same as it ever was.

I agree on the money part. It is a greater fact now but has always been there. The big new thing now is the portal and the fact that our top players can just transfer and not sit out a year or go down a level. Just have to keep finding the next guy.

[Howard Street Hooligan]

I'm going to post this one more time, then I'm not interacting with another NIL discussion.
NIL hasn't changed anything in college athletics, it's just brought it into the open. The big boys have always had more money, toys, facilities, etc. They've always been able to give players what they wanted, one way or another. Teams like App, Sam Houston, Boise St, etc. have always and will continue to find success by recruiting guys who are looked over by the big time schools.
App couldn't compete monetarily with Alabama in 2004, they can't in 2024, and they won't in 2054. It doesn't matter. There are enough hungry, dedicated young men who want to ball to make a winning team without all the rest of the stuff. Some guys will get attention at App and transfer to a big school, so App coaches will have to find the next guy to fill the game. Same as it ever was.

That’s a simpleton view. Money has always been involved but it’s never been to the level it is now. You’re either lying to yourself or really naive to believe that. It’s changed the entire sport.

[Howard Street Hooligan]

One thing about moving to P4 that I think gets overestimated. So hypothetically we get in the ACC. We now get a piece of the pie on their TV contracts. Our football games already sell out. Our basketball would get a spike in ticket sales. But that alone will not magically make us top tier. Sure some stadium expansions could occur, but our biggest issue still remains. We don't offer enough high paying degrees. Our alumni cannot foot the NIL bill just like we couldn't foot the yosef club donations. Our next chancellor needs to be a bulldog in the academic arena to get us more upper earning degree programs. Too much focus is out on football to be this end all cure for the whole school, fanbase, alumni, etc. Our onfield product, I believe, is starting to peak out what we can do with what our fanbase/alum can or are willing to provide. We've got to win the battle on academic if we want our athletics to grow past this point.

I do agree with you here. The school needs a law school, more doctors, etc.

[BallantyneApp]

One thing about moving to P4 that I think gets overestimated. So hypothetically we get in the ACC. We now get a piece of the pie on their TV contracts. Our football games already sell out. Our basketball would get a spike in ticket sales. But that alone will not magically make us top tier. Sure some stadium expansions could occur, but our biggest issue still remains. We don't offer enough high paying degrees. Our alumni cannot foot the NIL bill just like we couldn't foot the yosef club donations. Our next chancellor needs to be a bulldog in the academic arena to get us more upper earning degree programs. Too much focus is out on football to be this end all cure for the whole school, fanbase, alumni, etc. Our onfield product, I believe, is starting to peak out what we can do with what our fanbase/alum can or are willing to provide. We've got to win the battle on academic if we want our athletics to grow past this point.

Agreed. We need to focus on more professional programs. I’m hoping that Hickory will be the catalyst for convincing the uncbog to invest in our future. However , I think most professionals who are fb fans tend to donate to their undergrad institution over grad school so we need to continue to bring in the highest lvl possible undergrad.

[MrCraig]

I'm going to post this one more time, then I'm not interacting with another NIL discussion.
NIL hasn't changed anything in college athletics, it's just brought it into the open. The big boys have always had more money, toys, facilities, etc. They've always been able to give players what they wanted, one way or another. Teams like App, Sam Houston, Boise St, etc. have always and will continue to find success by recruiting guys who are looked over by the big time schools.
App couldn't compete monetarily with Alabama in 2004, they can't in 2024, and they won't in 2054. It doesn't matter. There are enough hungry, dedicated young men who want to ball to make a winning team without all the rest of the stuff. Some guys will get attention at App and transfer to a big school, so App coaches will have to find the next guy to fill the game. Same as it ever was.

That’s a simpleton view. Money has always been involved but it’s never been to the level it is now. You’re either lying to yourself or really naive to believe that. It’s changed the entire sport.

Roughly the same amount of money is being spent. However, instead of donors giving to build new facilities or whatever other extras, and bag men handing of clandestine payments, the players just get paid directly. I don't think there's been a huge increase in cash, it just goes different places now.

[Saint3333]

So the point is if we suck on purpose, we won’t be forced to suck accidentally.

Certainly would be nice to know we are going to suck and expect it instead of getting our hopes up and sucking unexpectedly.

Didn’t seem to help Gorilla and Teller.