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Coaching Question
Posted: Sun Dec 01, 2024 1:43 am
by asu7
I believe 26 is Clark’s last year right? Meaning we are near the end. However, my question is recruits. If I am a recruit that Clark wants and I know he’s got one more year left two at most then I am not going to come here. I feel we are going to have to extend him or let him for recruitment purposes. Am I missing something?
Re: Coaching Question
Posted: Sun Dec 01, 2024 2:05 am
by ericsaid
Tre Lamb. That’s what is missing.
Re: Coaching Question
Posted: Sun Dec 01, 2024 8:00 am
by J_Mountaineers
ericsaid wrote: ↑Sun Dec 01, 2024 2:05 am
Tre Lamb. That’s what is missing.
Yes
Re: Coaching Question
Posted: Sun Dec 01, 2024 8:24 am
by AppDub
ericsaid wrote: ↑Sun Dec 01, 2024 2:05 am
Tre Lamb. That’s what is missing.
Dude is 27-25 as a head coach in in FCS. Why is he the answer? I genuinely want to know, because if he is, let's get him here. I'm just not convinced yet.
Re: Coaching Question
Posted: Sun Dec 01, 2024 8:27 am
by Pikapp79
Hot name of the moment rarely works out.
Re: Coaching Question
Posted: Sun Dec 01, 2024 8:44 am
by AppSt94
Charles Huff is working in the last year of his contract. He’s turned down extensions. I don’t think that the coaches contract carries as much weight anymore.
Re: Coaching Question
Posted: Sun Dec 01, 2024 8:46 am
by BallantyneApp
I just want a real national search. If it’s trey lamb after all interested candidates have been vetted and mutual interests interviewed then fine.
Re: Coaching Question
Posted: Sun Dec 01, 2024 12:03 pm
by ASUTodd
Mike Jacobs... That's my pick.
Re: Coaching Question
Posted: Sun Dec 01, 2024 12:14 pm
by BambooRdApp
AppSt94 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 01, 2024 8:44 am
Charles Huff is working in the last year of his contract. He’s turned down extensions. I don’t think that the coaches contract carries as much weight anymore.
May have been a good calculated risk. He is winning with a RB at QB..not quite...but kinda sort of a RB at QB
Re: Coaching Question
Posted: Sun Dec 01, 2024 12:24 pm
by Oldlknapp
If you pay “top dollar” to hire a HC that does excellent in 2 years, a P4 will offer him so much more and pay the buyout which would be pocket change for them.
If the P4’s thought Clark was an excellent coach he would be gone by now.
I’m just saying there is no easy answer like saying this guy or that guy. It’s new and different college athletics world.
Re: Coaching Question
Posted: Sun Dec 01, 2024 12:48 pm
by Saint3333
Getting paid buyouts should pretty much be the goal in the current environment.
Re: Coaching Question
Posted: Sun Dec 01, 2024 12:57 pm
by BallantyneApp
Oldlknapp wrote: ↑Sun Dec 01, 2024 12:24 pm
If you pay “top dollar” to hire a HC that does excellent in 2 years, a P4 will offer him so much more and pay the buyout which would be pocket change for them.
If the P4’s thought Clark was an excellent coach he would be gone by now.
I’m just saying there is no easy answer like saying this guy or that guy. It’s new and different college athletics world.
Coaches have been climbing the ladder for as long as college football has existed, that part hasn’t changed. Mack brown left in the 80s after 1 year and not even to be a HC somewhere else. Sparky left too. The key is to structure the buyout for the school to get a nice chunk to pay for the search and bolster the assistant coach pool.
It’s where we want to be rather than where we are now
Re: Coaching Question
Posted: Sun Dec 01, 2024 1:03 pm
by appdaze
UT OC Joey Halzle or someone similar.
Re: Coaching Question
Posted: Sun Dec 01, 2024 1:07 pm
by BambooRdApp
If we are searching for a new coach, I would be interested to pursue the Offensive coordinator at Mizzou or DJ, co-D coordinator at Mizzou.
The OC has a nice offense. Just doesn't have the Jimmy and Joe's to compete against good teams in sec week in and week out.
Re: Coaching Question
Posted: Sun Dec 01, 2024 1:13 pm
by spacemonkey
BambooRdApp wrote: ↑Sun Dec 01, 2024 1:07 pm
If we are searching for a new coach, I would be interested to pursue the Offensive coordinator at Mizzou or DJ, co-D coordinator at Mizzou.
The OC has a nice offense. Just doesn't have the Jimmy and Joe's to compete against good teams in sec week in and week out.
Not being a smartass, but he also has Drinkwitz helping him. Drinkwitz was a really good offensive coordinator. Maybe he is good but it could be he is good with Drink.
Re: Coaching Question
Posted: Sun Dec 01, 2024 1:20 pm
by BambooRdApp
spacemonkey wrote: ↑Sun Dec 01, 2024 1:13 pm
BambooRdApp wrote: ↑Sun Dec 01, 2024 1:07 pm
If we are searching for a new coach, I would be interested to pursue the Offensive coordinator at Mizzou or DJ, co-D coordinator at Mizzou.
The OC has a nice offense. Just doesn't have the Jimmy and Joe's to compete against good teams in sec week in and week out.
Not being a smartass, but he also has Drinkwitz helping him. Drinkwitz was a really good offensive coordinator. Maybe he is good but it could be he is good with Drink.
Most head coaches are typically previous D or I coordinators. So every asst is assisted by the HC.. depending on whichever side of the ball they grew up
Re: Coaching Question
Posted: Mon Dec 02, 2024 6:52 pm
by ericsaid
AppDub wrote: ↑Sun Dec 01, 2024 8:24 am
ericsaid wrote: ↑Sun Dec 01, 2024 2:05 am
Tre Lamb. That’s what is missing.
Dude is 27-25 as a head coach in in FCS. Why is he the answer? I genuinely want to know, because if he is, let's get him here. I'm just not convinced yet.
He’s 27-25 because his first few years at Gardner-Webb saw them competing as a quasi-Division 2 program. By the end of his tenure, they were a playoff team, they played several FBS teams to one score, and elevated that program to the point where they are almost perennial playoff contenders.
He goes to a 1 win ETSU team, plays App relatively close, was up on NDSU by 12 with three minutes left and they let that one slip away. He improved ETSU’s win total by six in one off season. If you know anything about football, going from 1 win to 7 wins in one season is almost unheard of.
Lamb is built in the Satterfield mold of the offensive play caller head coach. His system is innovative and he squeezes all the juice from that fruit he’s holding.
If he could turn ETSU around in one off-season, and turn Gardner-Webb into a respectable program, I have no doubt he could elevate the standard at App State.
That is who I want. I don’t want a coordinator from an SEC school. I don’t want a position coach. I want a proven program builder who not only maintains continuity where he goes, but has proven himself to elevate it. He has proven himself to be a leader as nearly 30 kids followed him from GWU to ETSU.
Players play for him. Programs turn around under him. He may not be a hot name yet, but he will be at some point.
Re: Coaching Question
Posted: Mon Dec 02, 2024 6:58 pm
by ericsaid
BambooRdApp wrote: ↑Sun Dec 01, 2024 1:20 pm
spacemonkey wrote: ↑Sun Dec 01, 2024 1:13 pm
BambooRdApp wrote: ↑Sun Dec 01, 2024 1:07 pm
If we are searching for a new coach, I would be interested to pursue the Offensive coordinator at Mizzou or DJ, co-D coordinator at Mizzou.
The OC has a nice offense. Just doesn't have the Jimmy and Joe's to compete against good teams in sec week in and week out.
Not being a smartass, but he also has Drinkwitz helping him. Drinkwitz was a really good offensive coordinator. Maybe he is good but it could be he is good with Drink.
Most head coaches are typically previous D or I coordinators. So every asst is assisted by the HC.. depending on whichever side of the ball they grew up
Do not want a former coordinator or position coach. Jerry Moore had HC experience. Satterfield was Co-HC for a couple of years and had proven himself capable of the job.
Tre Lamb. I’ll say it here until someone bans me. App needs someone to elevate the program, which has grown stagnant. Do you really trust a coordinator to do that?
I do not. There may be a decent coordinator with good chops, but we are not in an experimental phase. Eli was an outlier because he came in for one year. We do not know where things would have gone had he stayed longer. That said, he was a play caller, and he designed the offense.
You get that same set of skills and hunger with Tre Lamb. He’s proven he can not only elevate a program over time but he can elevate his teams performance on game day. Look at his games against FBS programs his last two years at GWU. Look at the NDSU and App game from 2024.
Give me that guy. He managed to recruit two FCS All-Americans to GWU, and keep them. They didn’t transfer until after he left. The guy can recruit in the mold that App has gone after before and he can design and call an offense. His offense would also fit Matthew Wilson to a T.
At this point, I also wish Ponce had gotten a shot to act as Head Coach during the season to see what he could do. You run a risk if he is the guy and doesn’t pan out, but I think he could elevate the program as well. He’s been stuck under the influence and decision making of others.
To me, it’s either Ponce or Lamb.
I’m probably wrong. And I’ll be destroyed for it. But if you’re not talented, you better be good at spotting talent.
Re: Coaching Question
Posted: Mon Dec 02, 2024 7:00 pm
by t4pizza
Pretty sure lots of people said similar things when Will Healy got hired at UNCC, they were as wrong then and I think you are now. Gardner-Webb is nowhere near a respectable program and qualifying for the FCS playoffs is no longer an accomplishment as watered down as the division is and as large as the playoff field is. Of the wins he had this year at ETSU only 1 was against a team with a winning record. If so many of his players followed him from a play off team of Gardner Webb then why didn't they beat anyone with a pulse this year? We will never agree on this one as I don't see this guy as a star in the making at all. I'd rather his cousin but I believe he needs a few more years of seasoning as well.
Re: Coaching Question
Posted: Mon Dec 02, 2024 7:09 pm
by BambooRdApp
ericsaid wrote: ↑Mon Dec 02, 2024 6:58 pm
BambooRdApp wrote: ↑Sun Dec 01, 2024 1:20 pm
spacemonkey wrote: ↑Sun Dec 01, 2024 1:13 pm
BambooRdApp wrote: ↑Sun Dec 01, 2024 1:07 pm
If we are searching for a new coach, I would be interested to pursue the Offensive coordinator at Mizzou or DJ, co-D coordinator at Mizzou.
The OC has a nice offense. Just doesn't have the Jimmy and Joe's to compete against good teams in sec week in and week out.
Not being a smartass, but he also has Drinkwitz helping him. Drinkwitz was a really good offensive coordinator. Maybe he is good but it could be he is good with Drink.
Most head coaches are typically previous D or I coordinators. So every asst is assisted by the HC.. depending on whichever side of the ball they grew up
Do not want a former coordinator or position coach. Jerry Moore had HC experience. Satterfield was Co-HC for a couple of years and had proven himself capable of the job.
Tre Lamb. I’ll say it here until someone bans me. App needs someone to elevate the program, which has grown stagnant. Do you really trust a coordinator to do that?
I do not. There may be a decent coordinator with good chops, but we are not in an experimental phase. Eli was an outlier because he came in for one year. We do not know where things would have gone had he stayed longer. That said, he was a play caller, and he designed the offense.
You get that same set of skills and hunger with Tre Lamb. He’s proven he can not only elevate a program over time but he can elevate his teams performance on game day. Look at his games against FBS programs his last two years at GWU. Look at the NDSU and App game from 2024.
Give me that guy. He managed to recruit two FCS All-Americans to GWU, and keep them. They didn’t transfer until after he left. The guy can recruit in the mold that App has gone after before and he can design and call an offense. His offense would also fit Matthew Wilson to a T.
At this point, I also wish Ponce had gotten a shot to act as Head Coach during the season to see what he could do. You run a risk if he is the guy and doesn’t pan out, but I think he could elevate the program as well. He’s been stuck under the influence and decision making of others.
To me, it’s either Ponce or Lamb.
I’m probably wrong. And I’ll be destroyed for it. But if you’re not talented, you better be good at spotting talent.
So, you do not want a former coordinator, but you want Ponce... okay