Roster/Staff Updates

[311neers]

AJ Howard to USC. That’s big time.

[Mjohn1988]

If the department is not turning a profit, what is any player worth? If your company is losing money what is your worth? This all started out as " schools making money off the backs of the poor players". Well if that is the case why do we need to raise money to pay them? Just use all those millions of dollars the schools have made off these poor abused players. We took a real wrong turn and there is nowhere to turn around. Any correction you try and make now is going to have a thousand lawyers all over it. What a shame.

There is an answer...The conference can stop it immediately with conference rules. NIL should be allowed....Pay for play should be against conference rules.

For 99% of players NIL would be pay for play.

That’s what he’s saying. If guys actually had to have a real NIL deal and not simply be paid to play this whole thing would vanish. Not one single player on our team could actually get paid any significant amount for the use of his name, image or likeness. Very few players at even the highest level could actually get a deal to endorse a product. But the whole thing has been bastardized by collectives who just pay players to play.

[WASU 93]

If the department is not turning a profit, what is any player worth? If your company is losing money what is your worth? This all started out as " schools making money off the backs of the poor players". Well if that is the case why do we need to raise money to pay them? Just use all those millions of dollars the schools have made off these poor abused players. We took a real wrong turn and there is nowhere to turn around. Any correction you try and make now is going to have a thousand lawyers all over it. What a shame.

There is an answer...The conference can stop it immediately with conference rules. NIL should be allowed....Pay for play should be against conference rules.

For 99% of players NIL would be pay for play.

That’s what he’s saying. If guys actually had to have a real NIL deal and not simply be paid to play this whole thing would vanish. Not one single player on our team could actually get paid any significant amount for the use of his name, image or likeness. Very few players at even the highest level could actually get a deal to endorse a product. But the whole thing has been bastardized by collectives who just pay players to play.

I am reading "The Price" by Armen Keteyian and John Talty. I am only 4 chapters in and it's pretty eye opening. At the point the sport is at, there's not going to be an easy answer.

[bcoach]

If the department is not turning a profit, what is any player worth? If your company is losing money what is your worth? This all started out as " schools making money off the backs of the poor players". Well if that is the case why do we need to raise money to pay them? Just use all those millions of dollars the schools have made off these poor abused players. We took a real wrong turn and there is nowhere to turn around. Any correction you try and make now is going to have a thousand lawyers all over it. What a shame.

There is an answer...The conference can stop it immediately with conference rules. NIL should be allowed....Pay for play should be against conference rules.

For 99% of players NIL would be pay for play.

That’s what he’s saying. If guys actually had to have a real NIL deal and not simply be paid to play this whole thing would vanish. Not one single player on our team could actually get paid any significant amount for the use of his name, image or likeness. Very few players at even the highest level could actually get a deal to endorse a product. But the whole thing has been bastardized by collectives who just pay players to play.

You can't control NIL it will be pay for play. Just way too easy to manipulate.

[Mjohn1988]

If the department is not turning a profit, what is any player worth? If your company is losing money what is your worth? This all started out as " schools making money off the backs of the poor players". Well if that is the case why do we need to raise money to pay them? Just use all those millions of dollars the schools have made off these poor abused players. We took a real wrong turn and there is nowhere to turn around. Any correction you try and make now is going to have a thousand lawyers all over it. What a shame.

There is an answer...The conference can stop it immediately with conference rules. NIL should be allowed....Pay for play should be against conference rules.

For 99% of players NIL would be pay for play.

That’s what he’s saying. If guys actually had to have a real NIL deal and not simply be paid to play this whole thing would vanish. Not one single player on our team could actually get paid any significant amount for the use of his name, image or likeness. Very few players at even the highest level could actually get a deal to endorse a product. But the whole thing has been bastardized by collectives who just pay players to play.

You can't control NIL it will be pay for play. Just way too easy to manipulate.

I can’t disagree with you.

[Bigdaddyg1]

If the department is not turning a profit, what is any player worth? If your company is losing money what is your worth? This all started out as " schools making money off the backs of the poor players". Well if that is the case why do we need to raise money to pay them? Just use all those millions of dollars the schools have made off these poor abused players. We took a real wrong turn and there is nowhere to turn around. Any correction you try and make now is going to have a thousand lawyers all over it. What a shame.

There is an answer...The conference can stop it immediately with conference rules. NIL should be allowed....Pay for play should be against conference rules.

For 99% of players NIL would be pay for play.

That’s what he’s saying. If guys actually had to have a real NIL deal and not simply be paid to play this whole thing would vanish. Not one single player on our team could actually get paid any significant amount for the use of his name, image or likeness. Very few players at even the highest level could actually get a deal to endorse a product. But the whole thing has been bastardized by collectives who just pay players to play.

I agree. There was a radio commercial around here about a year ago for some heating and air company and Drake Maye read the copy. Great for him but if their sales legitimately increased due to Drake Maye simply reading a few lines and telling people he’s the quarterback for UNC I’d be stunned. Same thing with that sub commercial with the former UNC basketball player. Those Dr Pepper spots with Caleb Williams were pretty good and he did a nice job. I also recall some cell phone company using a few random Kentucky basketball players. Seemed absolutely useless and it was simply a way to pay them. Hard to imagine any company in the App viewing area really needing or paying any App athletes to pitch their product.

[BambooRdApp]

If the department is not turning a profit, what is any player worth? If your company is losing money what is your worth? This all started out as " schools making money off the backs of the poor players". Well if that is the case why do we need to raise money to pay them? Just use all those millions of dollars the schools have made off these poor abused players. We took a real wrong turn and there is nowhere to turn around. Any correction you try and make now is going to have a thousand lawyers all over it. What a shame.

There is an answer...The conference can stop it immediately with conference rules. NIL should be allowed....Pay for play should be against conference rules.

For 99% of players NIL would be pay for play.

That’s what he’s saying. If guys actually had to have a real NIL deal and not simply be paid to play this whole thing would vanish. Not one single player on our team could actually get paid any significant amount for the use of his name, image or likeness. Very few players at even the highest level could actually get a deal to endorse a product. But the whole thing has been bastardized by collectives who just pay players to play.

I agree. There was a radio commercial around here about a year ago for some heating and air company and Drake Maye read the copy. Great for him but if their sales legitimately increased due to Drake Maye simply reading a few lines and telling people he’s the quarterback for UNC I’d be stunned. Same thing with that sub commercial with the former UNC basketball player. Those Dr Pepper spots with Caleb Williams were pretty good and he did a nice job. I also recall some cell phone company using a few random Kentucky basketball players. Seemed absolutely useless and it was simply a way to pay them. Hard to imagine any company in the App viewing area really needing or paying any App athletes to pitch their product.

Although not exactly the same, I do not watch FOX NFL games due Tom Brady is commenting or CBS games due to Tony Romo commentating. I watch due the teams playing each other. If good match up, I may watch. If not, probably not. IMHO, FOX is waisting $300 million to pay Brady that amount for 10 years or whatever it is. They could get someone just as good for a fraction of the price. Greg Olsen was better than Brady to me

[bcoach]

If the department is not turning a profit, what is any player worth? If your company is losing money what is your worth? This all started out as " schools making money off the backs of the poor players". Well if that is the case why do we need to raise money to pay them? Just use all those millions of dollars the schools have made off these poor abused players. We took a real wrong turn and there is nowhere to turn around. Any correction you try and make now is going to have a thousand lawyers all over it. What a shame.

There is an answer...The conference can stop it immediately with conference rules. NIL should be allowed....Pay for play should be against conference rules.

For 99% of players NIL would be pay for play.

That’s what he’s saying. If guys actually had to have a real NIL deal and not simply be paid to play this whole thing would vanish. Not one single player on our team could actually get paid any significant amount for the use of his name, image or likeness. Very few players at even the highest level could actually get a deal to endorse a product. But the whole thing has been bastardized by collectives who just pay players to play.

I agree. There was a radio commercial around here about a year ago for some heating and air company and Drake Maye read the copy. Great for him but if their sales legitimately increased due to Drake Maye simply reading a few lines and telling people he’s the quarterback for UNC I’d be stunned. Same thing with that sub commercial with the former UNC basketball player. Those Dr Pepper spots with Caleb Williams were pretty good and he did a nice job. I also recall some cell phone company using a few random Kentucky basketball players. Seemed absolutely useless and it was simply a way to pay them. Hard to imagine any company in the App viewing area really needing or paying any App athletes to pitch their product.

Here is the difference. The car dealer does not pay a player because he thinks it will help sales. He is a booster who supports pay for play. Just like the HVAC guy, or a resturant guy, and on and on. Is APP at a disadvantage there? You bet we are, but I promise you there is no way to stop it. The bigger the booster the more they can do. That horse has left the barn and is not coming back. I am doing a similar, but not the same thing. I have purchased an advertising package for the last 10 years. I don't expect to get a single person to see that and get a sale out of it. I do it for a totally different benefit. Nothing illegal. Just a different goal I have, and it has worked out very well for me. ( It has nothing to do with college athletics)

[WASU 93]

If the department is not turning a profit, what is any player worth? If your company is losing money what is your worth? This all started out as " schools making money off the backs of the poor players". Well if that is the case why do we need to raise money to pay them? Just use all those millions of dollars the schools have made off these poor abused players. We took a real wrong turn and there is nowhere to turn around. Any correction you try and make now is going to have a thousand lawyers all over it. What a shame.

There is an answer...The conference can stop it immediately with conference rules. NIL should be allowed....Pay for play should be against conference rules.

For 99% of players NIL would be pay for play.

That’s what he’s saying. If guys actually had to have a real NIL deal and not simply be paid to play this whole thing would vanish. Not one single player on our team could actually get paid any significant amount for the use of his name, image or likeness. Very few players at even the highest level could actually get a deal to endorse a product. But the whole thing has been bastardized by collectives who just pay players to play.

I agree. There was a radio commercial around here about a year ago for some heating and air company and Drake Maye read the copy. Great for him but if their sales legitimately increased due to Drake Maye simply reading a few lines and telling people he’s the quarterback for UNC I’d be stunned. Same thing with that sub commercial with the former UNC basketball player. Those Dr Pepper spots with Caleb Williams were pretty good and he did a nice job. I also recall some cell phone company using a few random Kentucky basketball players. Seemed absolutely useless and it was simply a way to pay them. Hard to imagine any company in the App viewing area really needing or paying any App athletes to pitch their product.

I know what you are saying, but if all things are equal there are some fans that will chose that company because it is supporting their team.
When NASCAR was hot in the 80's, 90's and early 00's companies realized that the fan base was loyal. When Tide went on a race car, Tide sales picked up in the markets full of NASCAR fans. Fortune 500 companies lined up to get involved in the sport and they saw dividends from being involved.
A company may not "need" an App player to pitch a product. But, if they have an advertising budget and are going to spend money anyway, it could certainly be valuable.
But, collectives have circumvented this and it's now a part of the culture. I was at the UT/UCONN Women's game on Thursday night and the Lady Vol Boost Her Club is being promoted via a 30-Second Spot on the scoreboard to the crowd announced crowd of 16,000. If you go to their website, Women's Bball Head Coach Kim Caldwell is on the banner at the top of the homepage.
Unless they are banned by the Supreme Court or replaced/supplemented with contracts, the Collectives are not going anywhere.

[Bootsy]

If the department is not turning a profit, what is any player worth? If your company is losing money what is your worth? This all started out as " schools making money off the backs of the poor players". Well if that is the case why do we need to raise money to pay them? Just use all those millions of dollars the schools have made off these poor abused players. We took a real wrong turn and there is nowhere to turn around. Any correction you try and make now is going to have a thousand lawyers all over it. What a shame.

There is an answer...The conference can stop it immediately with conference rules. NIL should be allowed....Pay for play should be against conference rules.

For 99% of players NIL would be pay for play.

That’s what he’s saying. If guys actually had to have a real NIL deal and not simply be paid to play this whole thing would vanish. Not one single player on our team could actually get paid any significant amount for the use of his name, image or likeness. Very few players at even the highest level could actually get a deal to endorse a product. But the whole thing has been bastardized by collectives who just pay players to play.

I am reading "The Price" by Armen Keteyian and John Talty. I am only 4 chapters in and it's pretty eye opening. At the point the sport is at, there's not going to be an easy answer.

I finished reading "The Price" a few weeks back and I highly recommend it. A very fresh view of what the current era looks like from a variety of perspectives.

Some of the section about the challenges Alabama has encountered in the NIL/TP era struck me as being similar to what App has faced/is facing.

[BambooRdApp]

Does this mean anything for App. St.? Or just an injury update that rehab is going well.

https://x.com/kaedinrobinson/status/189 ... -vmPg&s=19

[biggie]

Does this mean anything for App. St.? Or just an injury update that rehab is going well.

https://x.com/kaedinrobinson/status/189 ... -vmPg&s=19

Thought he was with Joey.

He was retweeting something from UCLA as of Jan 31st.

[BambooRdApp]

Does this mean anything for App. St.? Or just an injury update that rehab is going well.

https://x.com/kaedinrobinson/status/189 ... -vmPg&s=19

Thought he was with Joey.

He was retweeting something from UCLA as of Jan 31st.

Me too. I assume an appointment injury update... I guess highlights are all App. St.

[311neers]

Does this mean anything for App. St.? Or just an injury update that rehab is going well.

https://x.com/kaedinrobinson/status/189 ... -vmPg&s=19

Thought he was with Joey.

He was retweeting something from UCLA as of Jan 31st.

Me too. I assume an appointment injury update... I guess highlights are all App. St.

Do we get money for him using our name, image (video) and likeness?

[BambooRdApp]

Does this mean anything for App. St.? Or just an injury update that rehab is going well.

https://x.com/kaedinrobinson/status/189 ... -vmPg&s=19

Thought he was with Joey.

He was retweeting something from UCLA as of Jan 31st.

Me too. I assume an appointment injury update... I guess highlights are all App. St.

Do we get money for him using our name, image (video) and likeness?

Brand infringement lawsuit

[JTApps1]

Does this mean anything for App. St.? Or just an injury update that rehab is going well.

https://x.com/kaedinrobinson/status/189 ... -vmPg&s=19

Thought he was with Joey.

He was retweeting something from UCLA as of Jan 31st.

Me too. I assume an appointment injury update... I guess highlights are all App. St.

Do we get money for him using our name, image (video) and likeness?

That's a valid question that I'm sure will come up in a high profile case at some point.

[spacemonkey]

Does this mean anything for App. St.? Or just an injury update that rehab is going well.

https://x.com/kaedinrobinson/status/189 ... -vmPg&s=19

Thought he was with Joey.

He was retweeting something from UCLA as of Jan 31st.

Me too. I assume an appointment injury update... I guess highlights are all App. St.

Do we get money for him using our name, image (video) and likeness?

[spacemonkey]

I love it. It could possibly stand up in court, if we had our players sign it when they sign their contract. All video of you in AppState uniform is owned by AppState. Of course we probably sign that right over to ESPN.

[WASU 93]

I love it. It could possibly stand up in court, if we had our players sign it when they sign their contract. All video of you in AppState uniform is owned by AppState. Of course we probably sign that right over to ESPN.

We would probably sign it over to Nike, who would sign it over to ESPN.

[Mjohn1988]

Based on comments I see 4 or 5 guys that appear to be a little bitter about what Robinson is doing. No judgment on my part I’m a little bitter about it too. That’s where I see some of these lower tier guys who are chasing money losing out. Great career at App. and now he’s burning bridges for how much money?