Just curious as to who we think will be QB1 under center come Aug 29th?

JJ Kohl & AJ Swann are I assume the two front runners for the gig. Gotta believe that Billy Wiles is 2nd string if the loser of the Kohl Swann battle transfers out. Of course all speculation but just curious what people may think?

I feel like it still pretty wide open. Neither of them demonstrated control over the offense after spring but that wasn’t a surprise.

AppSt94 wrote: ↑

Sat Jul 05, 2025 8:19 am

I feel like it still pretty wide open. Neither of them demonstrated control over the offense after spring but that wasn’t a surprise.

I agree with you. Neither ran away with anything from the spring game. I personally do think whichever one wins the gig we will be in good hands.

RadioNeer98 wrote: ↑

Sat Jul 05, 2025 8:33 am

AppSt94 wrote: ↑

Sat Jul 05, 2025 8:19 am

I feel like it still pretty wide open. Neither of them demonstrated control over the offense after spring but that wasn’t a surprise.

I agree with you. Neither ran away with anything from the spring game. I personally do think whichever one wins the gig we will be in good hands.

I think that all four have some positive attributes to be excited about, or at least comfortable with. Of course the OL will factor into how each one performs.

As of about 3-4 weeks ago, I’d heard Swann was in the lead. Things could change, still have summer/fall camp.

Will be either Swann or Kohl. I would say 60/40 lean towards Swann. Gillon is not quite ready but will be 3rd. Wiles is there to have fun and be a great teammate - which he has been doing. FWIW, Neither guy will transfer out in August because they weren’t QB1.

Kohl looked better in the spring game, but when Swann made good plays, you can see why he's in the lead. Quicker hand on an RPO, zips the ball in, better decision maker.

T-Dog wrote: ↑

Sun Jul 06, 2025 12:50 am

Kohl looked better in the spring game, but when Swann made good plays, you can see why he's in the lead. Quicker hand on an RPO, zips the ball in, better decision maker.

Interesting observation and how you explained it. It reminds me of what we saw in Burger vs Aquilar in Game 1 two years ago. Aquilar seemed quicker and more crisp in his decision making and execution. Burger seemed a bit slower in the game. When you get to this level those small intangibles are the difference makers in a game situation, especially against stronger competition. That is what typically differentiates the starters from the backups.

You get that experience with game time. Aguilar had the “real-world” experience over Burger because of JUCO and Swann has the experience over Kohl because of starting at Vanderbilt.

We know now why Burger was named the started over Aguilar - the staff wanted players to fit their scheme instead of fitting the scheme to the player, which is a stark difference and publicly stated point of emphasis from Loggains.

ASUFan4863 wrote: ↑

Mon Jul 07, 2025 10:05 am

You get that experience with game time. Aguilar had the “real-world” experience over Burger because of JUCO and Swann has the experience over Kohl because of starting at Vanderbilt.

We know now why Burger was named the started over Aguilar - the staff wanted players to fit their scheme instead of fitting the scheme to the player, which is a stark difference and publicly stated point of emphasis from Loggains.

I don't disagree with your assessment of likely rationale that previous staff used to pick their horse. However, interesting that Burger has not been able to acquire a meaningful playing role with any team since leaving App. That basically tells me that other coaching staffs have not been as impressed with Burger and likely our staff may have overrated his abilities.

ASUFan4863 wrote: ↑

Mon Jul 07, 2025 10:05 am

You get that experience with game time. Aguilar had the “real-world” experience over Burger because of JUCO and Swann has the experience over Kohl because of starting at Vanderbilt.

We know now why Burger was named the started over Aguilar - the staff wanted players to fit their scheme instead of fitting the scheme to the player, which is a stark difference and publicly stated point of emphasis from Loggains.

I'm not a football coach but some of you that are, explain how you fit your scheme to the player when there's 11 players. If you've recruited 10 guys to play within your scheme, the 11th needs to as well.

AtlAppMan wrote: ↑

Sun Jul 06, 2025 11:52 am

Interesting observation and how you explained it. It reminds me of what we saw in Burger vs Aquilar in Game 1 two years ago. Aquilar seemed quicker and more crisp in his decision making and execution. Burger seemed a bit slower in the game. When you get to this level those small intangibles are the difference makers in a game situation, especially against stronger competition. That is what typically differentiates the starters from the backups.

The quickness of Swann pulling a ball from an RB and zipping a pass up the middle caught my attention. That's almost unstoppable if done correctly.

mike87 wrote: ↑

Mon Jul 07, 2025 10:50 am

ASUFan4863 wrote: ↑

Mon Jul 07, 2025 10:05 am

You get that experience with game time. Aguilar had the “real-world” experience over Burger because of JUCO and Swann has the experience over Kohl because of starting at Vanderbilt.

We know now why Burger was named the started over Aguilar - the staff wanted players to fit their scheme instead of fitting the scheme to the player, which is a stark difference and publicly stated point of emphasis from Loggains.

I'm not a football coach but some of you that are, explain how you fit your scheme to the player when there's 11 players. If you've recruited 10 guys to play within your scheme, the 11th needs to as well.

This could be a long and nuanced answer so I’ll try to keep it as short as possible. The short answer is that you play the person who fits your scheme vs the most talented person.

In the case of Burger vs Aguilar - Aguilar was and is the more talented player. We have the stats and recruitment beyond App as mentioned above to prove that. However, the prior offensive staff overlooked that talent and prioritized a player who fit their scheme better.

The opposite view is what Loggains is implementing and what occurs in the NFL. There are principles of any offense that will exist, but whether we are an RPO team, spread team, pro style offense, Inside zone, outside zone, pass-first, etc.. will be determined by what the player can do best NOT by what the coach determines is best because of prior success.

To your point, it starts with recruiting. The staff passed on players because they weren’t “App guys that don’t fit what we want to do” (actual quote by the way). That’s fine and works when the players you pivot to are equally talented. If you pivot to a lesser player because they are an “App guy”, are you recruiting the best players or recruiting the easiest player? This creates the answer to whether the prior issues were the scheme or players or both, which was both.

AtlAppMan wrote: ↑

Mon Jul 07, 2025 10:45 am

ASUFan4863 wrote: ↑

Mon Jul 07, 2025 10:05 am

You get that experience with game time. Aguilar had the “real-world” experience over Burger because of JUCO and Swann has the experience over Kohl because of starting at Vanderbilt.

We know now why Burger was named the started over Aguilar - the staff wanted players to fit their scheme instead of fitting the scheme to the player, which is a stark difference and publicly stated point of emphasis from Loggains.

I don't disagree with your assessment of likely rationale that previous staff used to pick their horse. However, interesting that Burger has not been able to acquire a meaningful playing role with any team since leaving App. That basically tells me that other coaching staffs have not been as impressed with Burger and likely our staff may have overrated his abilities.

I think Ponce was a poor judge of QB talent. We basically had two hits in QB recruiting while he was QB/OC Coach (Lamb and Thomas), and Zach was a late pickup after others flipped. Only one other HS QB brought in under his watch completed their career at App, and many never finished their college career at any school.

Or maybe Burger just performed better in the preseason.