Athletics Dept Staffing & Turnover

[Yosef10]

If this is being discussed in another thread, my apologies, but figured a new one would be the best way to get eyes on it.

There’s been a lot of departures from the athletics department over the last year or so, and it doesn’t seem like leadership is all that eager to backfill the vacant positions. This is in addition to budget cuts being basically demanded in every sport. Does anyone have any background they can share to shed some light on this? Folks were already wearing multiple hats, and now that the staff is even further slimmed down, starting to get a bit concerned with the operation.

[AppStFan1]

If this is being discussed in another thread, my apologies, but figured a new one would be the best way to get eyes on it.

There’s been a lot of departures from the athletics department over the last year or so, and it doesn’t seem like leadership is all that eager to backfill the vacant positions. This is in addition to budget cuts being basically demanded in every sport. Does anyone have any background they can share to shed some light on this? Folks were already wearing multiple hats, and now that the staff is even further slimmed down, starting to get a bit concerned with the operation.

I have not looked at all the positions to see how necessary they are. Compared to what departments had in the 2000s they are very bloated it seems like now. I would be curious to know what all those folks did and what is done to replace it. It would be a good question for media to ask Gillin.

[Saint3333]

In 2000s we weren't an FBS caliber athletic department.

We aren't going to cut expenses into prosperity, need more revenue.

[AppStFan1]

In 2000s we weren't an FBS caliber athletic department.

We aren't going to cut expenses into prosperity, need more revenue.

My point is that there are a lot more roles at every school compared to then and was not talking about just App. I am not sure how crucial the roles are that we lost. What did the people do that we let go?

I'm with you 100% we need to generate more revenue rather than just cut expenses. We need to cut expenses when appropriate but can't be just that. Winning would help but has to be some creative things our AD can do that we are not.

[Saint3333]

You mean to tell me a government institution has grown headcount since 2000, yep that checks out.

[BambooRdApp]

Comparing App. St. to the 2000s and FCS to FBS.. Quite comical..

[AppStFan1]

You mean to tell me a government institution has grown headcount since 2000, yep that checks out.

I want to know how essential the positions are that we cut though. I have argued that we had jobs we could do without in the past. It will be interesting to see if we notice any difference at games this year without some of them.

[AppStFan1]

Comparing App. St. to the 2000s and FCS to FBS.. Quite comical..

Where did I compare App FCS to FBS? I said that all schools have gotten bloated since the 2000s. I expected them to get a little bigger but they all have gotten way bigger than they should and did not adjust when NIL popped up. There are jobs we had to add but we should have cut some others to counter it and App, along with other schools have not done it to the extent they should have been. These job cuts are going to happen with NIL and if schools are not generating more revenue. Prior to NIL it did not hurt schools to get bloated but now the money is drying up so belts have to be tightened.

[BambooRdApp]

Comparing App. St. to the 2000s and FCS to FBS.. Quite comical..

Where did I compare App FCS to FBS? I said that all schools have gotten bloated since the 2000s. I expected them to get a little bigger but they all have gotten way bigger than they should and did not adjust when NIL popped up. There are jobs we had to add but we should have cut some others to counter it and App, along with other schools have not done it to the extent they should have been. These job cuts are going to happen with NIL and if schools are not generating more revenue. Prior to NIL it did not hurt schools to get bloated but now the money is drying up so belts have to be tightened.

Your exact quote "
" Compared to what departments had in the 2000s they are very bloated" ..good grief..

[AppStFan1]

Comparing App. St. to the 2000s and FCS to FBS.. Quite comical..

Where did I compare App FCS to FBS? I said that all schools have gotten bloated since the 2000s. I expected them to get a little bigger but they all have gotten way bigger than they should and did not adjust when NIL popped up. There are jobs we had to add but we should have cut some others to counter it and App, along with other schools have not done it to the extent they should have been. These job cuts are going to happen with NIL and if schools are not generating more revenue. Prior to NIL it did not hurt schools to get bloated but now the money is drying up so belts have to be tightened.

Your exact quote "
" Compared to what departments had in the 2000s they are very bloated" ..good grief..

Yes but I did not say App only. I was talking about them all. I agree with you that I would expect the departments to get a little bigger but my point is they got way bigger than they should. Then when you add in NIL they are bleeding money and need to cut jobs. If anyone has a problem with it then give more money so they can keep those people. When schools are spending NIL on sports that don't generate revenue you have to expect that cuts are coming.

[ASUFan4863]

I believe it is fair to question the direction of the athletic department. It’s hard to gauge if this is an App issue or a collegiate athletics issue given the revenue sharing era. I have stated previously that this football season is vital to everything and I mean that. Some of these administrative issues can be ignored with success. They cannot and will not be ignored with more failures.

[AppStFan1]

I believe it is fair to question the direction of the athletic department. It’s hard to gauge if this is an App issue or a collegiate athletics issue given the revenue sharing era. I have stated previously that this football season is vital to everything and I mean that. Some of these administrative issues can be ignored with success. They cannot and will not be ignored with more failures.

100% I question a lot about our athletic department. I can understand cuts and people are complaining about them so I would like to know what exactly they did. Are any of them critical and if so how are we making up for the losses? If not, then why did we have them to begin with?

We definitely need to win. The 2026 football season is vital for our program. We overhauled the roster like we needed but we will soon find out if we made the correct moves when we did it.

[Stonewall]

What critical positions are vacant?

[AppStFan1]

What critical positions are vacant?

Exactly. I see this stuff brought up but nobody goes into detail on those roles exactly. People just hear we cut jobs and think we are messing up. I don't know either way. I genuinely want to know what exactly those roles did.

[AppState222]

Ok, I went down a rabbit hole because I got curious. I used the wayback machine to look at our staff directory at various points in the last 5/6 years post Covid and then did some data scraping to put it into a spreadsheet, and then tried to make a little formatting to make it cleaner.
https://cryptpad.fr/sheet/#/2/sheet/vie ... Kgp6eHGRU/
caveats:
- This is just a snapshot in time, so it could be between hirings when the wayback machine captured it.
- The department has reorganized and called things different things, or put people in different places
- There are a few departments added- creative services, added Holmes in the athletic dept staff directory, Yosef’s Locker
- Its hard to know sometimes who’s a GA, student, part time, etc. I didnt bother trying to differentiate.

My takeaways
-The biggest difference is the football staff (also DLO isn’t on the staff directory currently, which is strange. I added him to my spreadsheet.)
-Coaching staffs in general have grown. Wrestling, volleyball, softball, soccer, baseball maybe more, have all grown.
-We only have two NIL positions. Which is down one from past years. And seems shortsighted.
-Yosef Club/MAF smaller right now.
-Administration is smaller right now than in years past
-Some of the ‘turnover and not being replaced’ isn’t necessarily easy to see in a chart like this, but some of it is. There are a few that stood out to me that were already small departments:
- Equipment is only one person right now, and he’s designated as football.
- Teresa Eggers retiring from tickets and not being replaced, brings them from 3 down to 2
- Sports medicine seems to be in good shape numbers wise, but they lost the senior associate athletic director and wasn’t replaced.
- Generally speaking it seems coaching staffs have stagnated/increased and support staffs have stagnated/decreased.

[KentHogan]

Well, it frustrates me that most every time I call any athletic office, no one answers the phone. Maybe it's just me.

[Cro-Magnon App]

Cut the fluff?

[AppWyo]

Cut the fluff?

It is only fluff if it is not your job.