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[App74]

Corey used an interview that was supposed to be about the 2007 game, went completely outside the scope of the interview to express his opinion and expand a vengeful personal agenda. He's waaay to smart a fellow to have not realized how his comments were going to be interpreted. I want the Jerry Moore thing to be put to rest and have a healing occur. I don't see ANY way that happens when this kind of stuff pops up. Coach Moore has to, at some point in time, come out publicly and end this division. The timing of it only appears, to me, to make it even more vengeful. Corey being a Christian makes it disappointing.

Michigan is taking a novel approach to this season. Multiple times on their jumbotron Saturday, they played a video emphasizing a single concept --- "TEAM".

I submit each of us whether you are alumnus, fan, former athlete, former coach or a combination of either would best serve Appalachian State by saying and doing what is best for the "TEAM".

[WVAPPeer]

Corey used an interview that was supposed to be about the 2007 game, went completely outside the scope of the interview to express his opinion and expand a vengeful personal agenda. He's waaay to smart a fellow to have not realized how his comments were going to be interpreted. I want the Jerry Moore thing to be put to rest and have a healing occur. I don't see ANY way that happens when this kind of stuff pops up. Coach Moore has to, at some point in time, come out publicly and end this division. The timing of it only appears, to me, to make it even more vengeful. Corey being a Christian makes it disappointing.

Michigan is taking a novel approach to this season. Multiple times on their jumbotron Saturday, they played a video emphasizing a single concept --- "TEAM".

I submit each of us whether you are alumnus, fan, former athlete, former coach or a combination of either would best serve Appalachian State by saying and doing what is best for the "TEAM".

Come on '74 !!! - they'll be calling for your firing in the next week or so talking like that -
I like your thinking !!!

[appst89]

Corey used an interview that was supposed to be about the 2007 game, went completely outside the scope of the interview to express his opinion and expand a vengeful personal agenda. He's waaay to smart a fellow to have not realized how his comments were going to be interpreted. I want the Jerry Moore thing to be put to rest and have a healing occur. I don't see ANY way that happens when this kind of stuff pops up. Coach Moore has to, at some point in time, come out publicly and end this division. The timing of it only appears, to me, to make it even more vengeful. Corey being a Christian makes it disappointing.

Michigan is taking a novel approach to this season. Multiple times on their jumbotron Saturday, they played a video emphasizing a single concept --- "TEAM".

I submit each of us whether you are alumnus, fan, former athlete, former coach or a combination of either would best serve Appalachian State by saying and doing what is best for the "TEAM".

Agree 100%. Publicly trying to tear the program apart is not the way to achieve that.

[coco]

My football coach at App was replaced even though his wife was dying with cancer. He remained committed to the University and did not miss a game until issues prohibited him from being there . That was class! Corey lynch has totally turned his back on his University. I understand loving a coach. I did mine. Cory has forgotten the alumni, students, and fans, professors and others that helped him along the way. Jerry Moore did not pay for his scholarship. This program is bigger than any one player, group of players or a coach. If Jerry Moore is who he says he is should he not be Scotts(one of his former players) biggest supporters and doing everything possible to help him win. Charlie Cobb nor anyone else made Coach's son do what he did, nor hire a line coach who was running players off or hire a strength and conditioning coach with no experience. This script was written a long time ago and Coach Moore helped write it .

[Rekdiver]

I get why a lot of you aren't happy with Lynch's comments.

But, it is sad to see so many people completely dismiss Corey Lynch based off of one opinion.

Corey Lynch is angry. His coach was fired. If your favorite boss was fired, you'd probably still be angry a year later.

How can so many Mountaineers have such major problems with people like Corey Lynch and Jerry Moore?

If you don't like Corey Lynch and Jerry Moore, who the hell do you like?

Corey Lynch. All-American. Great student. Three time national champion. Biggest play in school history. Sealed the 2006 championship with an interception. SAVED A WOMAN'S LIFE.

And you're mad because he's mad about his coach getting fired?

Corey Lynch is a three time national champion BECAUSE he's the kind of guy who would get mad about his coach getting fired.

. I'm not mad that Corey is upset about Jerry getting fired. I'm mad he threw the school, the program and us under the bus. The people that fired Jerry are gone. He owes all of us that cheered for him in college and wished him well in his pro career an apology.

[JTApps1]

Corey used an interview that was supposed to be about the 2007 game, went completely outside the scope of the interview to express his opinion and expand a vengeful personal agenda. He's waaay to smart a fellow to have not realized how his comments were going to be interpreted. I want the Jerry Moore thing to be put to rest and have a healing occur. I don't see ANY way that happens when this kind of stuff pops up. Coach Moore has to, at some point in time, come out publicly and end this division. The timing of it only appears, to me, to make it even more vengeful. Corey being a Christian makes it disappointing.

Michigan is taking a novel approach to this season. Multiple times on their jumbotron Saturday, they played a video emphasizing a single concept --- "TEAM".

I submit each of us whether you are alumnus, fan, former athlete, former coach or a combination of either would best serve Appalachian State by saying and doing what is best for the "TEAM".

Come on '74 !!! - they'll be calling for your firing in the next week or so talking like that -
I like your thinking !!!

Why would anyone say that? The only people being criticized here are those not putting the TEAM and PROGRAM first.

[Black Saturday]

I get why a lot of you aren't happy with Lynch's comments.

But, it is sad to see so many people completely dismiss Corey Lynch based off of one opinion.

Corey Lynch is angry. His coach was fired. If your favorite boss was fired, you'd probably still be angry a year later.

How can so many Mountaineers have such major problems with people like Corey Lynch and Jerry Moore?

If you don't like Corey Lynch and Jerry Moore, who the hell do you like?

Corey Lynch. All-American. Great student. Three time national champion. Biggest play in school history. Sealed the 2006 championship with an interception. SAVED A WOMAN'S LIFE.

And you're mad because he's mad about his coach getting fired?

Corey Lynch is a three time national champion BECAUSE he's the kind of guy who would get mad about his coach getting fired.

If he was such a smart guy, great student, all-American then it seems it would have been pretty obvious to him not to throw your school under the bus over a situation where he either doesn't know the facts or just chose to ignore them. It was bush league and it was malicious.

He's opened his mouth and proven to be a real tool on the matter, whereas he should have kept his mouth shut and his stock price from cratering.

+eleventy billion!
How many rep points can you give for one post?
Yes everyone is entitled to their opinion, but they are NOT entitled to be free from criticism after expressing that opinion. You make a statement, gotta wear it! (anyone remember the ditzie twits?) Corey is just wrong here. Bottom line.

He's not bigger than Appalachian State University, and to hit below the belt and I have struck him from my list of favorites.

[Black Saturday]

Second day thoughts:

I don't think this is likely to "blow over." If that is the case, what should be done?

Cobb (or Peacock) seem to be the usual suspects when it comes to the blame game; they're both gone. Give JM and his cult their day; have a JM day, name something after him, whatever. Since we don't have an AD, either the Chancellor or the BOT needs to step up. The bottom line is, this continuing division is not good for the University, and it's definitely not good for our athletic program.

Hey, all I've been for renaming Howard's Knob. to Mt RushMoore.

[proasu89]

My football coach at App was replaced even though his wife was dying with cancer. He remained committed to the University and did not miss a game until issues prohibited him from being there . That was class! Corey lynch has totally turned his back on his University. I understand loving a coach. I did mine. Cory has forgotten the alumni, students, and fans, professors and others that helped him along the way. Jerry Moore did not pay for his scholarship. This program is bigger than any one player, group of players or a coach. If Jerry Moore is who he says he is should he not be Scotts(one of his former players) biggest supporters and doing everything possible to help him win. Charlie Cobb nor anyone else made Coach's son do what he did, nor hire a line coach who was running players off or hire a strength and conditioning coach with no experience. This script was written a long time ago and Coach Moore helped write it .

Yes to this. Well said!

[NewApp]

Look, I truly appreciate what both of these guys have done for Appalachian State. But let's not forget that it was Appalachian State that gave both of them a chance. Corey Lynch or Jerry Moore aren't above the school. They are not above the football program. Bottom line. If they don't want to come back, then so be it. Corey needs to make this right or he should not be welcome back.

How did you put Jerry in that post? He came back at least once to escort one of the mothers on Senior Day. Jerry asked for none of this.

[WVAPPeer]

Corey used an interview that was supposed to be about the 2007 game, went completely outside the scope of the interview to express his opinion and expand a vengeful personal agenda. He's waaay to smart a fellow to have not realized how his comments were going to be interpreted. I want the Jerry Moore thing to be put to rest and have a healing occur. I don't see ANY way that happens when this kind of stuff pops up. Coach Moore has to, at some point in time, come out publicly and end this division. The timing of it only appears, to me, to make it even more vengeful. Corey being a Christian makes it disappointing.

Michigan is taking a novel approach to this season. Multiple times on their jumbotron Saturday, they played a video emphasizing a single concept --- "TEAM".

I submit each of us whether you are alumnus, fan, former athlete, former coach or a combination of either would best serve Appalachian State by saying and doing what is best for the "TEAM".

Come on '74 !!! - they'll be calling for your firing in the next week or so talking like that -
I like your thinking !!!

Why would anyone say that? The only people being criticized here are those not putting the TEAM and PROGRAM first.

Because '74 is a great APP fan - because we have met and communicated over the last several years - because I like him and because I was joking !!!

[Rekdiver]

Only Jerry Moore can put a stop to this and he needs to do it now. The people that fired him are gone and he owes it to the program and all the fans to end the divide.

[bcoach]

Never in my life have I seen a man who has not opened his mouth be so maligned. The man was fired. He has said nothing in god know how long. This board is what is keeping it alive. So many here do not really want a fresh start. People here just keep pokin the gator. Then when the gator bites all this crap starts again. As long as this crap keeps up the division will remain. All involved are gone so why not say everybody won and get back to football. Let's decide to all start acting like adults and drop this controversy because if you take either side you are hurting the place you claim to love so much. Whether you intend to or not that is what we are doing. Just drop the damn thing!

[Rekdiver]

You may be right bcoach but it was Corey Lynch that chose to open the wound the day before our greatest victory. Drop him a note why don't you? I plan to.

[appst89]

Never in my life have I seen a man who has not opened his mouth be so maligned. The man was fired. He has said nothing in god know how long. This board is what is keeping it alive. So many here do not really want a fresh start. People here just keep pokin the gator. Then when the gator bites all this crap starts again. As long as this crap keeps up the division will remain. All involved are gone so why not say everybody won and get back to football. Let's decide to all start acting like adults and drop this controversy because if you take either side you are hurting the place you claim to love so much. Whether you intend to or not that is what we are doing. Just drop the damn thing!

Except it seems clear that it isn't going away. This board didn't do anything to make Corey Lynch open the wound in public. Methinks you are blaming the wrong people.

[The Annoying Peasant]

App accepts an invite to the SB. Jerry Moore makes it CLEAR he opposed the move and wants NOTHING to do with moving to FBS. EVERYBODY knows Satterfield was brought in as the COACH IN WAITING. Jerry Moore was told App HAD TO START PREPARING the program for FBS and his contract WOULD NOT BE RENEWED following the 2012 season. As a sign of good faith for all he has done Coach Moore is offered a THREE YEAR CONTRACT AT $150,000 PER YEAR as a fundraiser and ambassador for ASU. Jerry Moore REFUSES the offer in lieu of coaching "ONE MORE YEAR". Coach Moore requests that HIS FINAL YEAR not be made public insisting he wants the focus on the team NOT HIM. The university AGREES TO COACH MOORE'S REQUEST. After the loss to Southern Illinois Jerry is called in and told the university is exercising the TERMS OF THEIR AGREEMENT and is asked about how and when he wants the press conference to make it public. Coach Moore REFUSES TO STEP DOWN. The university goes public with not renewing Jerry Moore's contract and the TERMS OF THE AGREEMENT. Jerry Moore says he was "BLINDSIDED" by the news and "DOESN'T RECALL ANY AGREEMENT". ASU produces emails and correspondences between Cobb, Coach Moore and Chancellor Peacock corroborating the university's position.

Margaret Moore has been identified as a major source of the venom being directed towards the university. She was the instigator of a well documented confrontation with some athletic officials in the parking lot behind the Athletics Center and she continues spreading HER / COACH MOORE'S VERSION of the story. She is truly standing by her man! It now it appears she has enlisted Corey Lynch in her quest to embarrass ASU. Unfortunately many people afford Jerry Moore an almost Saint like status and believes he is incapable of wrong doing. These people have sworn allegiance to him and have forsaken their university. They act as though it was HIS football program, not Appalachian State University's. The only thing Cobb & Peacock can actually be faulted for is not making the terms of the agreement public earlier. But I understand why they didn't. They took a man who is revered for his honesty and integrity at his word. They believed he would abide by the terms of an agreement HE AGREED TO. So who is really the bad guy here? It is sad some people have more loyalty to Jerry Moore than their alma mater.

[clayton]

I feel like more rep points have been given out for this thread than any in this forum's history which means it is clearly a hot button issue (maybe even more than the previous FCS/FBS debate).

The Jerry Moore firing is controversial.

If you were in favor of that decision, you NEED to understand it is controversial. Point to whatever you want, whether it is emails, win-loss records, assistant turnover, small town gossip, or whatever. But, understand that the decision is controversial.

That means a lot of people have a big problem with it. To be completely honest, I had the thought of "Do I really want to be a fan of the school that just fired Jerry Moore?" running through my head when it happened. I'm not alone.

Obviously, I'm still here. But, I never played for the man. So, I understand why one of his players feels more strongly about this.

Also...

Corey Lynch is one of the greatest football players this school has ever seen. He has given more than he received from the university. If a Corey Lynch highlight is played at KBS, or if he does come back for some sort of recognition, are you really going to boo him?

Are you really going to boo Corey Lynch?

You're going to boo one of our greatest players in front of the current team and possible recruits?

All because he said something you didn't like.

Why?

I got over my alma mater firing a legendary coach and I still bought season tickets. I'm sure you can get over what one person said about it.

[sonsofyosef]

Regurgitating the story of two people, who are no longer at App, one of whom clearly never had the kind of dedication to the school that Coach Moore clearly did...helps nothing.
Neither does smearing Coach Moore's wife!?

BTW, I have never seen Coach Moore's written response to the emails offered up by the two men who no longer work for App. If you have them, please post them for all to read.

It seems Coach Moore holds no ill will toward DJ, perhaps he can broker a deal and help heal wounds? What could it hurt to invite him and his wife on Mountaineer Talk to give his side of how things went down, and even bash Cobb a little bit? Cobb and Peacock are no longer around, Coach Moore still is (lives in the community). Even if you think he is wrong?

[NewApp]

I feel like more rep points have been given out for this thread than any in this forum's history which means it is clearly a hot button issue (maybe even more than the previous FCS/FBS debate).

The Jerry Moore firing is controversial.

If you were in favor of that decision, you NEED to understand it is controversial. Point to whatever you want, whether it is emails, win-loss records, assistant turnover, small town gossip, or whatever. But, understand that the decision is controversial.

That means a lot of people have a big problem with it. To be completely honest, I had the thought of "Do I really want to be a fan of the school that just fired Jerry Moore?" running through my head when it happened. I'm not alone.

Obviously, I'm still here. But, I never played for the man. So, I understand why one of his players feels more strongly about this.

Also...

Corey Lynch is one of the greatest football players this school has ever seen. He has given more than he received from the university. If a Corey Lynch highlight is played at KBS, or if he does come back for some sort of recognition, are you really going to boo him?

Are you really going to boo Corey Lynch?

You're going to boo one of our greatest players in front of the current team and possible recruits?

All because he said something you didn't like.

Why?

I got over my alma mater firing a legendary coach and I still bought season tickets. I'm sure you can get over what one person said about it.

Sanest post in thread. RP

[The Annoying Peasant]

Coach Moore was not fired. To refresh everyone's memory he is one of the emails released to the media under the Freedom of Information Act. I left out a few paragraphs about possible transition coaches and salaries that have nothing to do with the actual issue before us. Somehow this doesn't read like someone looking to ruin Coach Moore's legacy.

To: Ken Peacock
From: Charlie Cobb
Date: December 31, 2011
Re: Football Transition

Ken, as part of our discussions, I felt this could help facilitate the conversation.

We agree that it is time for Coach Moore to retire. I communicated this to him prior to Christmas. After some thought, he understands that it is time for him to define his retirement but has requested to coach one final season in 2012. And while I was initially disappointed that Coach was not in agreement with everything I proposed, I have since thought through all the positives and negatives of his request and strongly believe this is the best option for all parties involved. I have tried to think about what is best for Appalachian while also thinking about how you or I would respond to a similar request. I am comfortable that the following recommendation addresses our two major concerns after the season – a definitive retirement date for Coach and several staff changes – that were accomplished in the past two weeks.

Recommendation: The 2012 football season is Coach Moore’s last season as head coach. He will retire immediately following the final game of the 2012 season. This would be communicated immediately to him and the staff and announced publicly in the spring although it is assumed that it will be public before then.
This solution is best for Appalachian based on the following 3 reasons:

1. Potential FBS transition. As we discussed before the holidays, the conference realignment process has reached the point that it touches Appalachian. We should know this spring or summer what opportunities, if any, exist for us. This will make our future conference affiliation a known part of the decision-making process following the 2012 season and not speculative, as it would be in the next several weeks. I cannot stress the importance of knowing this direction in terms of creating the best available candidate pool. Also, potentially, the 2012 season will be the first of our 2-year transition period. If so, it is beneficial for this to begin with our existing situation instead of a new staff in terms of creating momentum during the transition years.

2. Financial. Coach Moore has a salary agreement offered and approved by the BOT in 2009 to coach the 2012-2013 season at a base salary of $230,000. . Additionally, I calculated that we owe an additional $265,000 in severance and accrued vacation leave to the 11 members of our current staff. This puts the total financial commitment at $500,000 to make a change at this point in time. Our 2012 schedule is one of the best in recent memory. We will meet our ticket sales goal. We just completed a fundraising year where we reached $1 million by December 31 for the first time in history. We are currently more than 10% ahead of last year, which set a record for the Yosef Club.

3. Public Relations. Of the roughly 250 Division I football programs, Appalachian trails only Boise State in terms of number of games won during the past seven years. I have no doubt that it is in Appalachian’s best interest to allow a natural transition with Jerry versus terminating him, which is what this would be. Secondly, we all anticipate another difficult budget year for campus. Based on current issues, I do not see a viable way for you or me to explain to interested parties how we spent the referenced money. I also think we can be successful in 2012 if everyone is committed to making this work because we have already answered the chemistry questions of 2011 with current staff changes.

Ken, I realize the recommendations I am making will require me more directly involved on a day to day basis on leadership and chemistry within the staff and players. This is something I will establish with Coach if you are onboard with this recommendation. I believe I can do this in a way that it helps Coach and the football program if we have an agreement on my role from the beginning. Ken, the 8-3 season in 2011 was never about the lack of talent but solely about disjointed chemistry that eventually affected every person involved in the program. With these issues resolved, we have a team that can compete. There is nothing than would be more of a storybook ending to this journey for Appalachian, Coach Moore, and thousands of Appalachian fans for our team to win a 4th National Championship in Coach's final year. I believe that with you and the Board of Trustees' support we have a legitimate chance of making this happen.

Thanks for reading,

Charlie Cobb