Bowl payouts

[YesAppCan]

*from collegefootballpoll.com
http://www.collegefootballpoll.com/bowl ... edule.html

Cure Bowl-%
Orlando, FL
$1,350,000 12/19/15
12:00pm
CBSSN American
vs.
Sun Belt ?
vs.
?
New Mexico
Albuquerque, NM
$456,250 12/19/15
2:00pm
ESPN MWC
vs.
CUSA ?
vs.
?
Las Vegas
Las Vegas, NV
$1,350,000 12/19/15
3:30pm
ABC PAC-12
vs.
*-BYU or MWC ?
vs.
?
Camellia
Montgomery, AL
$--- (TBA) 12/19/15
5:30pm
ESPN MAC
vs.
Sun Belt ?
vs.
?
New Orleans
New Orleans, LA
$500,000 12/19/15
9:00pm
ESPN Sun Belt
vs.
CUSA ?
vs.
?
Miami Beach
Miami, FL
$--- (TBA) 12/21/15
2:30pm
ESPN American
vs.
CUSA ?
vs.
?
Famous Idaho Potato
Boise, ID
$325,000 12/22/15
3:30pm
ESPN MWC
vs.
MAC ?
vs.
?
Boca Raton-(3)
Boca Raton, FL
$400,000 12/22/15
7:00pm
ESPN American
vs.
MAC ?
vs.
?
Poinsettia
San Diego, CA
$612,500 12/23/15
4:30pm
ESPN *-Army
vs.
MWC ?
vs.
?
GoDaddy
Mobile, AL
$750,000 12/23/15
8:00pm
ESPN MAC #1 or #2
vs.
Sun Belt

[YesAppCan]

If these payouts are correct, The Cure bowl is surely my pick.

[TheMackAttack]

Payouts aren't simply giving teams cash. Regardless of the payout, most teams lose money on bowls.

Here's a post from our Scout site from a user named Arkstfan that sums up Sun Belt bowls very well:

"There is no such thing as the Sun Belt champion host bowl game.

There is a selection order and all that means is that is the order the bowls get to pick from the pool of bowl eligible with the caveat that the champion(s) have to be selected somewhere in the process OR placed in another bowl.

Selection order is: New Orleans, GoDaddy, Camellia, Cure, (and if open from MWC or CUSA) Tucson.

If AState were to win out, in theory we could end up going to Tucson if the other four passed on selecting us. One year the Detroit game was vacant and the Sun Belt had two ties (NOLA, GoDaddy) and with the agreement for Detroit to take a Sun Belt the NOLA and GoDaddy passed on FIU forcing Detroit to take them.

As to the payout business.

Magic isn't real nor are payouts to G5 schools.

Unless you get your hot little hands on the real bowl agreements you don't know what the payout is.
I've seen some of the actual contracts. You may for example have a published agreement that says the bowl game will pay the Sun Belt $800,000 with $400,000 in cash and $400,000 in tickets (that means they give you a stack of tickets with a face value of $400,000. If you sell one ticket for $40 then you got $40 spendable dollars out of that $400,000 "payment".

But there is almost always another agreement that is even harder to get your hands on.

In the example of the $400,000 cash payment, there is an extremely high possibility there is an agreement that says the conference will pay a marketing fee of $300,000 for the bowl to promote the conference brand. That $400,000 check? Conference is going to snatch $300,000 of it off the top to get back the marketing fee money. That payment gives the bowl operating revenue for the year, it is in reality a no interest loan to the bowl game to keep it going. The check isn't even made payable to you, it is payable to the conference. So you don't get your hot little hands on the $100,000 extra either.

Now on top of all that....
If you sell 5,000 tickets at $40 per, that's $200,000 spendable dollars in your hand right? Wrong. The conference is going to skim half of that and place it in the bowl pool.

First priority for the conference is to insure no one loses a ridiculous amount of money going to a bowl game.

Let's say you go to Orlando and sell 10k that would be a great payday or even the shorter trip to Montgomery, but what if USA staggers to eligible and lands in Tucson? That's a 1500 mile trip for a fan base that is only marginally energized if they finish 6-6. They won't sell enough tickets to pay for the team to be there for four or five nights, nor pay for the charter flight. USA if they didn't have adequate cash reserve might be forced to say "We want to stay home and focus on recruiting for next season". That's a disaster for the conference. Or they might go ahead and spend the cash but have to defer facility improvements or be unable to offer raises.

That's a bad outcome for the conference.

So the league snatches half of the ticket sales, puts it in a pool and distributes it to schools based on what would be a reasonable budget for the game they are going to and their revenue.

It stinks when you have an energized fan base and a short trip because it keeps you from rolling in the money like Scrooge McDuck, but if you are 6-6 and headed to cover the Poinsettia in San Diego on December 23 where hotel prices aren't cheap or you are headed to Boise, Idaho on a Tuesday the system prevents you from breaking your athletic department as a reward for the season."

[YesAppCan]

But does being selected mean one HAS to accept that particular bowl?

[appbio91]

I did not realize G5 had a NY eve and a NY day bowl. The link says Peach and Fiesta are both G5 at large. Is that correct?

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[MDaniels84]

I did not realize G5 had a NY eve and a NY day bowl. The link says Peach and Fiesta are both G5 at large. Is that correct?

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Actually, I believe that it is either one or the other for G5

[asu66]

Doug Gillin commented on the Idaho pre-game show w/DJ that bowl games need not put money in athletic department coffers; that they should rightly be viewed as rewards for the hard work and dedication of players and coaches; and the loyalty of fans.

[appbio91]

I did not realize G5 had a NY eve and a NY day bowl. The link says Peach and Fiesta are both G5 at large. Is that correct?

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Actually, I believe that it is either one or the other for G5

I assumed that could not be as that would mean 2 out of twelve teams would be G5. No way the powers would stand for that. Especially since neither would likely be in the top 12.

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[85gradinATL]

The G5 team this year plays in the Peach Bowl.

[bigdaddyg]

The entire bowl thing has gotten way out of hand and has made suckers out of many, many universities. The whole "reward for a good season" thing is a joke for about half of the schools. We have a couple of great examples in the Sunbelt. U LA LA and South Alabama basically have to win out to GET to .500. In my mind a .500 season is not that good. Lots of schools end being financially penalized for making it to a bowl, especially if they have to travel a great distance. There was a time when the Honolulu Bowl seemed like the best deal for the players. Fly to Hawaii and spend a week there in December. Nice. But just imagine the cost! Even the Bahama Bowl has got to be incredibly expensive. The cost to take up to 85 players, the band, cheerleaders, boosters and family of coaches has to be unreal. I personally think that attrition of bowls is the way to go. Cut it down to about 25 at the most and limit it to teams with at least 7 wins. As far as App goes, any bowl outside of our recruiting footprint is a losing proposition. Don't get me wrong, I understand the upside. Extra practice time (although I worry about the injury possibility), television exposure and getting to play (possibly) a good opponent are all positives. The thought of having to come out of pocket as a university for the reward just seems bass ackwards.

[EastHallApp]

The G5 team this year plays in the Peach Bowl.

I believe it's either the Peach or the Fiesta. Have definitely seen some projections of Houston to the Fiesta.

[AppfaninCAALand]

You can't cut down on the number of bowls unless you also raise the win requirement to 7, which isn't going to happen as long as the 9th and 10th place SEC or BigTen schools need the bowls to keep fans happy and coaches employed.

[MtnDevil95]

Assuming Auburn can beat Idaho this weekend, the last place SEC West team will have 2 rather high-falootin' distinctions for finishing in last place.

1) Bowl Game
2) A head coach making more than $7,000,000 a year . . .

[EastHallApp]

Assuming Auburn can beat Idaho this weekend, the last place SEC West team will have 2 rather high-falootin' distinctions for finishing in last place.

1) Bowl Game
2) A head coach making more than $7,000,000 a year . . .

Don't know what Bielema makes at Arkansas, but they did the same last year and blew out Texas. Which was good for the SEC West, since all the teams that were supposed to be so great got trucked in their bowl games.