2023 Baseball Mega Thread

[AppSt94]

His contract is up at the end of the year so you either move on from him or give him three years. No way we offer him, nor would he accept a one year deal.

[bigdaddyg]

His contract is up at the end of the year so you either move on from him or give him three years. No way we offer him, nor would he accept a one year deal.

I agree. He's not going to stay on a "prove it" one year deal. You have to look at reasonable expectations versus actual results. We are absolutely in a tough baseball conference now- probably tougher than ever. As fans our expectations are for us to win the conference and play in the post season but right now is that realistic. Those of us who know something about baseball see a real lack in pitching. You can't just transform a decent high school pitcher into a great college pitcher. They either have it or develop in time. If we finish top third in the league and make some noise in the conference tournament that's probably not bad. If coach has gotten good marks for recruiting then you have to grade him for game decisions. He seems to make the right calls for the most part. If he's happy here and we are improving he deserves to stay.

[311neers]

Look at how much Coastal is spending! Just as much as P5’s. We are well below the average spending for Sun Belt baseball programs. Credit to B&G pod for sharing.

[JTApps1]

Look at how much Coastal is spending! Just as much as P5’s. We are well below the average spending for Sun Belt baseball programs. Credit to B&G pod for sharing.

In comparison we're around $1.075M which puts us 12th, and the league average is $1.67M with 8 schools above $1.5M. We'd also be mid-pack in the SoCon.

[bigdaddyg]

Look at how much Coastal is spending! Just as much as P5’s. We are well below the average spending for Sun Belt baseball programs. Credit to B&G pod for sharing.

In comparison we're around $1.075M which puts us 12th, and the league average is $1.67M with 8 schools above $1.5M. We'd also be mid-pack in the SoCon.

So does that mean we spend $1.075m on baseball? Does that cover coaching salaries, equipment, upkeep on facilities and travel? Is that offset by fees, sponsorships and gate receipts? Considering probably half of our home games are in crappy weather conditions we are probably fortunate if we aren't in a serious hole every year

[t4pizza]

That is a sobering spreadsheet. I really can't believe that we are so far behind the league average in baseball budget, let alone the top schools. The biggest eye opener though is that even small private SoCon schools are spending significantly more on baseball than we are. To see that Mercer funds their baseball program more than 300k more than App is simply mind blowing to me. Hard to complain about coaching when we are about dead last in the budget.

[Appmountaineers19]

That is a sobering spreadsheet. I really can't believe that we are so far behind the league average in baseball budget, let alone the top schools. The biggest eye opener though is that even small private SoCon schools are spending significantly more on baseball than we are. To see that Mercer funds their baseball program more than 300k more than App is simply mind blowing to me. Hard to complain about coaching when we are about dead last in the budget.

So just wondering why your mind is blown about Mercer? They are a baseball school. They have had maybe 3 losing seasons in 20 years. A handful of conference titles. 4 or 5 NCAA appearances. Top 25 rankings. I would say my mind is blown because they do all this with just a little more money than APP does. Most times private schools are where the $$$ is at other than football AND location location location weather wise

[t4pizza]

That is a sobering spreadsheet. I really can't believe that we are so far behind the league average in baseball budget, let alone the top schools. The biggest eye opener though is that even small private SoCon schools are spending significantly more on baseball than we are. To see that Mercer funds their baseball program more than 300k more than App is simply mind blowing to me. Hard to complain about coaching when we are about dead last in the budget.

So just wondering why your mind is blown about Mercer? They are a baseball school. They have had maybe 3 losing seasons in 20 years. A handful of conference titles. 4 or 5 NCAA appearances. Top 25 rankings. I would say my mind is blown because they do all this with just a little more money than APP does. Most times private schools are where the $$$ is at other than football AND location location location weather wise

My mind is blown because Mercer is a very small school and should not have the athletic resources that we do but clearly they choose to allocate more to baseball. I am aware of their success in baseball but it still blows my mind that they spend nearly 400k more than we do. BTW, my post graduate degree is from Mercer so I am not crapping on them here, it is actually why I chose Mercer as a comparison as I actually have a great deal of loyalty to that program as well.

[AppSt94]

That is a sobering spreadsheet. I really can't believe that we are so far behind the league average in baseball budget, let alone the top schools. The biggest eye opener though is that even small private SoCon schools are spending significantly more on baseball than we are. To see that Mercer funds their baseball program more than 300k more than App is simply mind blowing to me. Hard to complain about coaching when we are about dead last in the budget.

So just wondering why your mind is blown about Mercer? They are a baseball school. They have had maybe 3 losing seasons in 20 years. A handful of conference titles. 4 or 5 NCAA appearances. Top 25 rankings. I would say my mind is blown because they do all this with just a little more money than APP does. Most times private schools are where the $$$ is at other than football AND location location location weather wise

My mind is blown because Mercer is a very small school and should not have the athletic resources that we do but clearly they choose to allocate more to baseball. I am aware of their success in baseball but it still blows my mind that they spend nearly 400k more than we do. BTW, my post graduate degree is from Mercer so I am not crapping on them here, it is actually why I chose Mercer as a comparison as I actually have a great deal of loyalty to that program as well.

It isn’t all that shocking if you drill down the numbers using some basic assumptions. The average cost of attendance for Mercer before financial aid is $56,162, versus $20,799 at App. Multiply each figure by the 11.7 allowable scholarships and Mercer spends $413,747 more per year on their players alone.

[BambooRdApp]

Back to live baseball. It's GameDay!! Let's Go App. St.!! Let's Go 1-0 Today!!
#BeatTheDeacs!!

[APPdiesel]

His contract is up at the end of the year so you either move on from him or give him three years. No way we offer him, nor would he accept a one year deal.

Not sure a guy with a .390 career record at App can afford to get his feelings hurt by a 1 year “make it or break it” extension…especially if the terms are laid out that if he achieves “X” he’ll be extended by “Y”.

[BambooRdApp]

Personally I think he deserves more than a one year deal. That is a "kiss of death" for recruiting. If a kid is split between two schools and App is one...other coach "you know coach Kermit is on a one year deal. He probably will only be there one more year"...IMO , you give him 3 or 4 years or move on. Be fair to him and the program. If he is not able to recruit on a even playing field (as he is a dead man walking), sets the program back as well as no decently athletic kids will sign. If this were the professional league, sure...have all the one year deals you want.

[AppSt94]

His contract is up at the end of the year so you either move on from him or give him three years. No way we offer him, nor would he accept a one year deal.

Not sure a guy with a .300 record can afford to get his feelings hurt by a 1 year “make it or break it” extension…especially if the terms are laid out that if he achieves “X” he’ll be extended by “Y”.

His contract is up so it’s not an extension. It’s a one year contract. Giving a head coach a one year deal is bush league. It’s plausible, and I have no idea if this happened, but it is possible that the conversation that you are suggesting actually happened last year and this is the make or break year.

From what I know, both sides are happy with each other. The baseball program is better today than it was when he took over. The lack of extension at this point may have something to do with things that aren’t related to baseball.

Edit: While he is a .390 coach at App, he was a .605 coach prior to getting to App.

[WVAPPeer]

Personally I think he deserves more than a one year deal. That is a "kiss of death" for recruiting. If a kid is split between two schools and App is one...other coach "you know coach Kermit is on a one year deal. He probably will only be there one more year"...IMO , you give him 3 or 4 years or move on. Be fair to him and the program. If he is not able to recruit on a even playing field (as he is a dead man walking), sets the program back as well as no decently athletic kids will sign. If this were the professional league, sure...have all the one year deals you want.

100% Correct !!!

[APPdiesel]

His contract is up at the end of the year so you either move on from him or give him three years. No way we offer him, nor would he accept a one year deal.

Not sure a guy with a .300 record can afford to get his feelings hurt by a 1 year “make it or break it” extension…especially if the terms are laid out that if he achieves “X” he’ll be extended by “Y”.

His contract is up so it’s not an extension. It’s a one year contract. Giving a head coach a one year deal is bush league. It’s plausible, and I have no idea if this happened, but it is possible that the conversation that you are suggesting actually happened last year and this is the make or break year.

From what I know, both sides are happy with each other. The baseball program is better today than it was when he took over. The lack of extension at this point may have something to do with things that aren’t related to baseball.

Edit: While he is a .390 coach at App, he was a .605 coach prior to getting to App.

Well aware. But what he did at Belmont means diddly squat at App State.

And we can argue semantics all day. But a 1 year contract is an extension of his tenure.

On the rest of your post I agree with you.

[AppSt94]

His contract is up at the end of the year so you either move on from him or give him three years. No way we offer him, nor would he accept a one year deal.

Not sure a guy with a .300 record can afford to get his feelings hurt by a 1 year “make it or break it” extension…especially if the terms are laid out that if he achieves “X” he’ll be extended by “Y”.

His contract is up so it’s not an extension. It’s a one year contract. Giving a head coach a one year deal is bush league. It’s plausible, and I have no idea if this happened, but it is possible that the conversation that you are suggesting actually happened last year and this is the make or break year.

From what I know, both sides are happy with each other. The baseball program is better today than it was when he took over. The lack of extension at this point may have something to do with things that aren’t related to baseball.

Edit: While he is a .390 coach at App, he was a .605 coach prior to getting to App.

Well aware. But what he did at Belmont means diddly squat at App State.

And we can argue semantics all day. But a 1 year contract is an extension of his tenure.

On the rest of your post I agree with you.

Why is his resume irrelevant? Baseball is baseball. He got the job here because he has proven that he know what he is doing. “It’s a simple game. You throw the ball. You hit the ball, You catch the ball.”

[WVAPPeer]

94's and Bamboo's points are 100% correct - a 1 year extension is a death blow to recruiting

[311neers]

At the beginning of the year or even in the offseason, most of us agreed that if we play .500 ball he deserves an extension. We're playing .500 ball.

We were a .377% last year currently we are a .514% win team. We are heading in the right direction- hope it holds thru the end of the year.

[Tru2ASU]

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At the beginning of the year or even in the offseason, most of us agreed that if we play .500 ball he deserves an extension. We're playing .500 ball.

We were a .377% last year currently we are a .514% win team. We are heading in the right direction- hope it holds thru the end of the year.

Agreed, .500 record gets an an extension. Money is starting to flow into other sports, and attendance is great. Renovation for baseball is in line at the very end of the new Innovation district going up in the gravel parking lot. Let's maintain patience, and see this through.

[Appstate35]