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Unread post by WVAPPeer » Sat Apr 04, 2015 8:36 am

Let me first say that I have not seen or watched an APP baseball game this season - I have read articles and some posts on this board. Anyone on here who has read my thoughts over the years knows what is coming next - Stop talking about firing the coach!!! ---
Again, with my limited information it seems we have had a lot of injuries and are relying on some very young players. No college baseball team at our level is full of depth or experienced depth.
I would be much more concerned if this team were getting beaten 12-0 or 14-2 or 9-1 but it seems our guys are right there in most every game. By right there, I mean a hit or a pitch or a defensive play away from securing victory. To me, that shows that this team with these coaches are very close.
Yes, I have seen where many games have been lost in the late innings and they're always going to be those who question why did he OR why did he not make that pitching change? - Unless a coach has Mariano Rivera or Craig Kimbrel down there in the pen then my experience tells me that this decision is the hardest decision to make in baseball - (Believe I made as many bad ones as good ones) :o
Baseball is a really tough game to coach in regards to holding a lead - You can't run out the clock by running the QB up the middle OR milk time as the shot clock counts down - You must continue to pitch, thus giving every opponent full advantage of making a comeback - and you can hit the ball as hard as possible and it goes right to a fielder and they can barely get the bat on the ball and it falls in down the right-field line for a double - that, or similar, happens all the time in baseball and rarely in other sports ---
My take is to give these guys some time to build some depth, nurture our player's experience, and hit the recruiting trail ---
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Re: Baseball

Unread post by firemoose » Sat Apr 04, 2015 10:56 am

Just in case anyone is interested. From appstatesports series notes prior to yesterday's game:

INJURIES PILING UP
• Injuries have also begun to pile up for the tough-luck Mountaineers in recent
weeks.

• Junior center fielder Jaylin Davis sustained the most devastating of Appalachian
State’s injuries, as he damaged his right shoulder while making a diving
catch in the left-center field gap on March 14 against Texas State and underwent
season-ending surgery this past week.

• Additionally, sophomore Tyler Stroup and junior Alex Leach, who both
missed time due to hip injuries early in the season before returning to the field
last month, are out of action once again. There is no timetable for their returns.

• On the mound, senior right-hander Jamie Nunn, who served as Appalachian
State’s staff ace the past two seasons, has not pitched this season due to an arm
injury. There is no timetable for his return.

APPALACHIAN STATE INJURY REPORT
Player (Cl., Pos.) Injury Status
Jaylin Davis (Jr., OF) Shoulder Out (Season)
Alex Leach (Jr., IF) Hip Out (Indefinitely)
Tyler Stroup (So., OF) Hip Out (Indefinitely)
Jamie Nunn (Sr., RHP) Arm Out (Indefinitely)
Conner Leonard (Fr., IF) Leg Out (2-3 weeks)
Bradley Morton (Jr., IF/OF) Foot Day-to-Day

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Unread post by Saint3333 » Sat Apr 04, 2015 12:52 pm

Billy isn't going anywhere so calm down.

Maybe take in a game before offering an opinion as well. I'll be in Columbia Tuesday if you'd liked to join.

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Unread post by WataugaMan » Sat Apr 04, 2015 1:00 pm

Was Tyler Stroup still injured during the Wake Forest game? Could explain his performance that day??

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Unread post by firemoose » Sat Apr 04, 2015 1:13 pm

WataugaMan wrote:Was Tyler Stroup still injured during the Wake Forest game? Could explain his performance that day??
I can't be sure but from what I've read on other sites and also heard around the area is that both he and Leach were not exactly 100% when they came back but were cleared to play. Not a big surprise as they are players and want to play as bad as the staff wants them back. Happens in every sport. Your guess is as good as mine but lack of practice while injured and maybe not being 100% healed sounds like as good a reason as any for that performance.

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Unread post by WataugaMan » Sat Apr 04, 2015 1:17 pm

Makes sense to me.

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Unread post by WVAPPeer » Sat Apr 04, 2015 1:22 pm

Saint3333 wrote:Billy isn't going anywhere so calm down.

Maybe take in a game before offering an opinion as well. I'll be in Columbia Tuesday if you'd liked to join.
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Unread post by JTApps1 » Sat Apr 04, 2015 3:32 pm

Add in Whaley who just came back two weeks ago. Not sure how healthy he is at the moment. Having him healthy all season would have been a big boost to the bullpen.

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Unread post by T-Dog » Sat Apr 04, 2015 3:58 pm

Whaley is healthy. He had a personal issue.

Leach re-aggravated his hip, so he might be done, again.

I much rather Billy Jones turn it around than fail. The talent is there, the pitching is there, the team just hasn't finished games. If the team finished games after the 7th, they would have a winning record. And I pin it mostly on coaching. He has players swinging on the first pitch, he puts pitchers in bad positions (leaving them in too long) and up until a couple weeks ago, not being able to bunt well.

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Unread post by JTApps1 » Sat Apr 04, 2015 10:00 pm

T-Dog wrote:Whaley is healthy. He had a personal issue.

Leach re-aggravated his hip, so he might be done, again.

I much rather Billy Jones turn it around than fail. The talent is there, the pitching is there, the team just hasn't finished games. If the team finished games after the 7th, they would have a winning record. And I pin it mostly on coaching. He has players swinging on the first pitch, he puts pitchers in bad positions (leaving them in too long) and up until a couple weeks ago, not being able to bunt well.
Thanks for the clarification. Either way he was out for first 1/3 of the season.

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Unread post by SpeedkingATL » Sun Apr 05, 2015 6:22 am

App had a big win against Troy yesterday so maybe some confidence can build. I still think that the biggest step-ups in competition from SoCon to SBelt are in baseball and softball and it shows.

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Unread post by Blackandgold » Sun Apr 05, 2015 6:57 am

SpeedkingATL wrote:App had a big win against Troy yesterday so maybe some confidence can build. I still think that the biggest step-ups in competition from SoCon to SBelt are in baseball and softball and it shows.
Baseball team is losing out of conference games at high rate too. Not sure it's a huge step up in baseball. Go back to 2012 before the strong baseball schools left the Socon. Socon had 3 teams in ncaa regionals, and all 3 won at least one game. 2 teams made championship of regional. Now the 2013 and 2014 Socon was weak in baseball. A couple of down years.

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Unread post by JTApps1 » Sun Apr 05, 2015 2:17 pm

Blackandgold wrote:
SpeedkingATL wrote:App had a big win against Troy yesterday so maybe some confidence can build. I still think that the biggest step-ups in competition from SoCon to SBelt are in baseball and softball and it shows.
Baseball team is losing out of conference games at high rate too. Not sure it's a huge step up in baseball. Go back to 2012 before the strong baseball schools left the Socon. Socon had 3 teams in ncaa regionals, and all 3 won at least one game. 2 teams made championship of regional. Now the 2013 and 2014 Socon was weak in baseball. A couple of down years.
2012 was the highest rated year SoCon has had with an RPI of 9. The following year the Sun Belt was 5 while the SoCon was 12. This year the SB is currently 12 and the SoCon is 18.

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Unread post by Blackandgold » Sun Apr 05, 2015 7:14 pm

JTApps1 wrote:
Blackandgold wrote:
SpeedkingATL wrote:App had a big win against Troy yesterday so maybe some confidence can build. I still think that the biggest step-ups in competition from SoCon to SBelt are in baseball and softball and it shows.
Baseball team is losing out of conference games at high rate too. Not sure it's a huge step up in baseball. Go back to 2012 before the strong baseball schools left the Socon. Socon had 3 teams in ncaa regionals, and all 3 won at least one game. 2 teams made championship of regional. Now the 2013 and 2014 Socon was weak in baseball. A couple of down years.
2012 was the highest rated year SoCon has had with an RPI of 9. The following year the Sun Belt was 5 while the SoCon was 12. This year the SB is currently 12 and the SoCon is 18.
throw out 2013 till now as far as rpi is concerned. It's a weak conference now. All good baseball schools (except western) are gone.

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Unread post by JTApps1 » Sun Apr 05, 2015 7:43 pm

Blackandgold wrote:
JTApps1 wrote:
Blackandgold wrote:
SpeedkingATL wrote:App had a big win against Troy yesterday so maybe some confidence can build. I still think that the biggest step-ups in competition from SoCon to SBelt are in baseball and softball and it shows.
Baseball team is losing out of conference games at high rate too. Not sure it's a huge step up in baseball. Go back to 2012 before the strong baseball schools left the Socon. Socon had 3 teams in ncaa regionals, and all 3 won at least one game. 2 teams made championship of regional. Now the 2013 and 2014 Socon was weak in baseball. A couple of down years.
2012 was the highest rated year SoCon has had with an RPI of 9. The following year the Sun Belt was 5 while the SoCon was 12. This year the SB is currently 12 and the SoCon is 18.
throw out 2013 till now as far as rpi is concerned. It's a weak conference now. All good baseball schools (except western) are gone.
All of the good teams were there thru last year and the SB was better every year except 2012. Even then it was close.

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Unread post by Blackandgold » Mon Apr 06, 2015 1:11 pm

JTApps1 wrote:
Blackandgold wrote:
JTApps1 wrote:
Blackandgold wrote:
SpeedkingATL wrote:App had a big win against Troy yesterday so maybe some confidence can build. I still think that the biggest step-ups in competition from SoCon to SBelt are in baseball and softball and it shows.
Baseball team is losing out of conference games at high rate too. Not sure it's a huge step up in baseball. Go back to 2012 before the strong baseball schools left the Socon. Socon had 3 teams in ncaa regionals, and all 3 won at least one game. 2 teams made championship of regional. Now the 2013 and 2014 Socon was weak in baseball. A couple of down years.
2012 was the highest rated year SoCon has had with an RPI of 9. The following year the Sun Belt was 5 while the SoCon was 12. This year the SB is currently 12 and the SoCon is 18.
throw out 2013 till now as far as rpi is concerned. It's a weak conference now. All good baseball schools (except western) are gone.
All of the good teams were there thru last year and the SB was better every year except 2012. Even then it was close.
College of charleston was gone.

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Unread post by JTApps1 » Mon Apr 06, 2015 4:16 pm

Blackandgold wrote:
College of charleston was gone.
CofC was still in the league in 2013. I did forget they left 1 year before everyone else. In 2013 the SoCon was #12 and in 2014 it was #13. So very little impact year to year.

The point is the Sun Belt is the better baseball league.

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Unread post by Blackandgold » Mon Apr 06, 2015 7:22 pm

JTApps1 wrote:
Blackandgold wrote:
College of charleston was gone.
CofC was still in the league in 2013. I did forget they left 1 year before everyone else. In 2013 the SoCon was #12 and in 2014 it was #13. So very little impact year to year.

The point is the Sun Belt is the better baseball league.


And my point is... Not by as much as you're trying to make it.
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Unread post by Yosef10 » Mon Apr 06, 2015 9:07 pm

Blackandgold wrote:
JTApps1 wrote:
Blackandgold wrote:
College of charleston was gone.
CofC was still in the league in 2013. I did forget they left 1 year before everyone else. In 2013 the SoCon was #12 and in 2014 it was #13. So very little impact year to year.

The point is the Sun Belt is the better baseball league.


And my point is... Not by as much as your trying to make it.
It has an impact

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Re: Baseball

Unread post by Saint3333 » Mon Apr 06, 2015 9:50 pm

Aft one headed down to Columbia tomorrow?

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