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Re: Davidson

Unread post by 3rd » Sat Jan 26, 2013 4:56 pm

can we all at least agree that the students showed up tot this game (which was supposed to be a good one)?

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Re: Davidson

Unread post by firemoose » Sat Jan 26, 2013 5:06 pm

3rd wrote:can we all at least agree that the students showed up tot this game (which was supposed to be a good one)?
There was student support. And the "we have football" chant should have helped with the recruits visiting. Couldn't have made the BB players feel very good though (feel sorry for them). Bet it stung JC also.

No matter what though I will always will support the team and I am always glad to be an Mountaineer.
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Re: Davidson

Unread post by ASU2416 » Sat Jan 26, 2013 5:09 pm

Tough loss today to the better team. I was hoping for a better showing but I wasn't surprised with an injured Canty and an injured Neal, who seemed like he could barely put any pressure on the hurt foot. Davidson played a complete game and showed that they are the only team that has really seperated themselves on top.

Me and my Dad have a special connection with Davidson and we've seen them play probably 30 times in the last 10 years, and we both agreed that today was one of the best games we've ever seen them play. Everything was so precise and efficient on offense, and part of that goes to our inability to stick with them for 20 seconds at a time. It's just like we mentally got tired, and that will happen when a team is working. All 4 guys off the ball are moving, and nobody is ever standing still. The only time they take a quick shot is if they are wide open, and that's what leads to their efficiency. Nobody else in the league is like that and we struggled. Just as the offense is different than the rest of the SoCon, so is the defense. This is the most physical defense in the conference, and we will see it again once for sure, and possibly in the tournament. They punch you in the mouth and you have to nut up or shut up. It got us out of our rhythm and we started forcing things. I know a lot of people give Davidson and McKillop crap on here, but in my eyes McKillop is the best in game coach in the NCAA. Fire away at me...

I liked what Baskin, the lone bright spot, had to say in the post game. He said that the crowd was nice but they deserve an apology for the showing the Mountaineers gave. This team knows they can play better, and I keep waiting for that to happen. They've played really nice stretches but we've yet to see a really good 40 minutes. Too many guys though, as he also said, got selfish when they got down and tried to score the 20 we were down by themselves. Our guys have a chance to get back at it and go down to Charleston and pick up a big road win, which I believe is certainly doable. Hopefully Neal and Canty get healed up a little more with more than one day off and can go down there and be big factors.

Tough loss today, but still glad to be a Mountaineer.

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Re: Davidson

Unread post by 3rd » Sat Jan 26, 2013 5:16 pm

With the offence we run if a team can switch our screens we will struggle. We get a lot of open looks when the other team is not able to do that. We have to find another way to score and get open looks other than the screen at the top.

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Re: Davidson

Unread post by Kgfish » Sat Jan 26, 2013 5:32 pm

8-11 (6-11 in D-I games) with 10 to play. Have to sweep at home and win 2 out of 5 on the road for a winning record. Tall order that I don't see happening. To date Capel is 37 - 44. It will take a miracle for him to finish at .500 by season's end.
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Re: Davidson

Unread post by asu66 » Sat Jan 26, 2013 5:59 pm

We desperately need to buy Capel's contract at the end of THIS season. It's not going to get any better next season w/o Healy.
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Re: Davidson

Unread post by firemoose » Sat Jan 26, 2013 7:23 pm

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/ncaab-the ... ncaab.html

Guess it could be worse. Not much but a little. :roll:

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Re: Davidson

Unread post by ViewCrew87 » Sat Jan 26, 2013 8:07 pm

asu66 wrote:We desperately need to buy Capel's contract at the end of THIS season. It's not going to get any better next season w/o Healy.
Agreed, the experiment is over after year 3.

Can't wait for the 2/9 road game!

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Re: Davidson

Unread post by hapapp » Sat Jan 26, 2013 9:30 pm

I make no defense of JC but I do think he does more coaching than folks give him credit for. It was clear to anyone who was there today that he got really frustrated by our inability to deal with the Davidson defense. He clearly had a plan but too often we would lose our patience and throw up another bad shot. (I realize Canty was hurt but he was awful today, playing out of control and shooting 10% in the first half). From that perspective, I think you fault the coach from the standpoint that he can't get his players to do what he instructs them to do. Obviously, McKillop doesn't have that problem.

Davidson is the antithesis of our team. The play with discipline, are constantly moving, and quite frankly playing as a team. We put a collection of athletes on the floor, they put basketball players on the court. That's not to say we lack talent but we play as individuals and stray from the game plan.

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Re: Davidson

Unread post by Lhardware » Sat Jan 26, 2013 10:59 pm

hapapp wrote:I make no defense of JC but I do think he does more coaching than folks give him credit for. It was clear to anyone who was there today that he got really frustrated by our inability to deal with the Davidson defense. He clearly had a plan but too often we would lose our patience and throw up another bad shot. (I realize Canty was hurt but he was awful today, playing out of control and shooting 10% in the first half). From that perspective, I think you fault the coach from the standpoint that he can't get his players to do what he instructs them to do. Obviously, McKillop doesn't have that problem.

Davidson is the antithesis of our team. The play with discipline, are constantly moving, and quite frankly playing as a team. We put a collection of athletes on the floor, they put basketball players on the court. That's not to say we lack talent but we play as individuals and stray from the game plan.
"Capel can't get his players to do what he instructs them to do?" After all isn't that a talent that a good coach has? McKillop doesn't have that problem because he has the talents of a head coach. Look at what made Dean Smith or Jim Valvano good coaches - they could communicate with a teenager or a 20 something and get them to listen. That's first and foremost getting them to listen but then you have to be able to teach the game of basketball. I've attended almost every basketball game in Boone for the last 12 years and am really getting tired of watching our teams flounder under the lack of a good coach. With 100,000+ alums we should have the support financially and in attendance to own the SoCon. Charlie Cobb has a big decision to make.

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Re: Davidson

Unread post by hapapp » Sat Jan 26, 2013 11:25 pm

Lhardware wrote:
hapapp wrote:I make no defense of JC but I do think he does more coaching than folks give him credit for. It was clear to anyone who was there today that he got really frustrated by our inability to deal with the Davidson defense. He clearly had a plan but too often we would lose our patience and throw up another bad shot. (I realize Canty was hurt but he was awful today, playing out of control and shooting 10% in the first half). From that perspective, I think you fault the coach from the standpoint that he can't get his players to do what he instructs them to do. Obviously, McKillop doesn't have that problem.

Davidson is the antithesis of our team. The play with discipline, are constantly moving, and quite frankly playing as a team. We put a collection of athletes on the floor, they put basketball players on the court. That's not to say we lack talent but we play as individuals and stray from the game plan.
"Capel can't get his players to do what he instructs them to do?" After all isn't that a talent that a good coach has? McKillop doesn't have that problem because he has the talents of a head coach. Look at what made Dean Smith or Jim Valvano good coaches - they could communicate with a teenager or a 20 something and get them to listen. That's first and foremost getting them to listen but then you have to be able to teach the game of basketball. I've attended almost every basketball game in Boone for the last 12 years and am really getting tired of watching our teams flounder under the lack of a good coach. With 100,000+ alums we should have the support financially and in attendance to own the SoCon. Charlie Cobb has a big decision to make.

I believe I said that. I don't think Capel is stupid. I do think he understands the game. I don't think he is able for one reason or another to communicate it to his players. I think he may in due time become a decent coach. I'm not sure it will happen with him on the ASU bench. It's time we got a McKillop or a Mike Young type coach in Boone.
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Re: Davidson

Unread post by sonsofyosef » Sat Jan 26, 2013 11:33 pm

If it was good to hire away Nate Woody from Wofford, wouldn't it be great to hire away McKillop from Davidson? How many $$$$$$ would it take?
Or maybe there's a "young McKillop" somewhere out there for us, if we can't afford the original?

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Re: Davidson

Unread post by ASU2416 » Sat Jan 26, 2013 11:58 pm

sonsofyosef wrote:If it was good to hire away Nate Woody from Wofford, wouldn't it be great to hire away McKillop from Davidson? How many $$$$$$ would it take?
Or maybe there's a "young McKillop" somewhere out there for us, if we can't afford the original?
It would have to be a "young McKillop" because the original is at Davidson until he hangs it up. Had his chance to go somewhere bigger, and even back home (St. Johns), and stayed.

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Re: Davidson

Unread post by asumike83 » Sun Jan 27, 2013 2:22 am

Davidson played a great game. Disciplined defense, great ball movement and they shot the lights out. Even our best shot probably would have come up short but we missed another major opportunity. Our fans understand how good Davidson is and even a competitive loss probably would have had a positive impact.

Things don't look good, especially with the upcoming schedule but I'm rooting for Capel and the boys to improve. I don't think he is getting bought out after this year regardless though. If buying out his final season is such a financial burden, where would we find the money to give a bigger contract to the kind of experienced coach that we want?

It is a bad situation to be in but I don't see an alternative. I'd love to see the young guys come together this season and next but if not, we could bring in a new staff when his contract ends and the cupboard will be far from bare.

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Re: Davidson

Unread post by Saint3333 » Sun Jan 27, 2013 8:26 am

If he can turn it around he owes App a minimum of two seasons after he gets his first better offer, to pay off his "graduate" degree.

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Re: Davidson

Unread post by MountainMan » Sun Jan 27, 2013 9:00 am

sonsofyosef wrote: Or maybe there's a "young McKillop" somewhere out there for us, if we can't afford the original?
The problem is being able to identify a "young McKillop". If he's already generating the proof as a head coach somewhere, may not be able to afford him. If he's unproven, then it's another hope and a prayer that you're hiring a "young McKillop" and not something else. It's a nice goal, but it's not a easy thing to pull off.

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Re: Davidson

Unread post by DoubleA » Sun Jan 27, 2013 9:15 am

It's time for ASU to step up and invest in MBB program. We have the facility, and fan base, which just needs to be energized by success. It's time for a true investment in a head coach. Looking with someone with experience, character, a teacher of young men and a winner. I would throw out a name like Bobby Lutz, someone who has recruiting connections. coaching experience, integrity, and who would be happy to be at ASU for a long time, and would not look at the job as a springboard to a bigger stage. Just my two cents, for what little it is worth.

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Re: Davidson

Unread post by Saint3333 » Sun Jan 27, 2013 9:25 am

We are spending a lot more on basketball than we did when Buzz was around the first time and during the Apke and HF years.

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Re: Davidson

Unread post by McLeansvilleAppFan » Sun Jan 27, 2013 10:11 am

Lhardware wrote:
hapapp wrote:I make no defense of JC but I do think he does more coaching than folks give him credit for. It was clear to anyone who was there today that he got really frustrated by our inability to deal with the Davidson defense. He clearly had a plan but too often we would lose our patience and throw up another bad shot. (I realize Canty was hurt but he was awful today, playing out of control and shooting 10% in the first half). From that perspective, I think you fault the coach from the standpoint that he can't get his players to do what he instructs them to do. Obviously, McKillop doesn't have that problem.

Davidson is the antithesis of our team. The play with discipline, are constantly moving, and quite frankly playing as a team. We put a collection of athletes on the floor, they put basketball players on the court. That's not to say we lack talent but we play as individuals and stray from the game plan.
or Jim Valvano good coaches.
Did not Valvano get NC State on probation, that has kept them down for years and years?
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Re: Davidson

Unread post by DoubleA » Sun Jan 27, 2013 12:47 pm

[i]We are spending a lot more on basketball than we did when Buzz was around the first time and during the Apke and HF years.[/i]

It would be great to find the Jerry Moore of basketball or someone like a Bob McKillop, who will stick around long enough to build a true program.

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