Offseason thread: recruiting, transfer portal schedule, general discussion

[Stonewall]

It was Ohio State . We shot poorly, of course they were better , but my thought at the time is that the tournament environment overwhelmed us. That said , the ROI on basketball is much greater. We can field a conference championship level team for a lot less PFP and/or NIL.

[Bootsy]

How many difference makers do we realistically need for our football team to achieve the goals and success many think is attainable? That being win the Sunbelt, get into the CFP discussion, play in a significant bowl game. How about basketball? Win the Belt, make the Big Dance, probably lose in the first round or maybe become the first day darling like High Point then quickly forgotten by the Sweet 16 round. It’s painfully obvious that at our level not fielding a football team creates more opportunities to succeed in basketball. I’m not advocating dropping football but isn’t it completely unrealistic to expect to bring in and keep any real talent for more than a year with our salary cap?

Good take, thank you. This was what I was alluding to earlier in the thread: how long before certain schools start getting fed up, bow out of the football arms race and focus on sports where they get more leverage for the dollar?

[311neers]

How many difference makers do we realistically need for our football team to achieve the goals and success many think is attainable? That being win the Sunbelt, get into the CFP discussion, play in a significant bowl game. How about basketball? Win the Belt, make the Big Dance, probably lose in the first round or maybe become the first day darling like High Point then quickly forgotten by the Sweet 16 round. It’s painfully obvious that at our level not fielding a football team creates more opportunities to succeed in basketball. I’m not advocating dropping football but isn’t it completely unrealistic to expect to bring in and keep any real talent for more than a year with our salary cap?

Our best chance to make the postseason and a run is baseball (even though it's been a while). Then Basketball. Then football.
NCAA D1 just came out with a field of 64 for baseball.
3 Sun Belt teams are projected in. (Tx State Coastal USM)
2 on the bubble. (UL and Troy)

Your typical suspects but getting 3-5 teams in postseason every year and not wanting to pour money into that program is beyond me.
Don't forget what Murray State did last year...Omaha.

I wish we could legitimately fund all 3, but it might be time to play the odds game and step up funding for baseball-every other SBC program is doing it (Marshall, Ark state, ODU)

[BambooRdApp]

How much are basketball and baseball dependent on football revenue and/or indirectly from football revenue? (Not NIL). If none, great.. of much, there is potentially an issue.
I do agree that baseball could be an opportunity. One of our issues now is that we only have two really good pitchers and they are starters. For SBC tournament, regionals and Omaha, you need much more in bullpen as, at some point, a guy that doesn't normally start will be asked to do so.
For super regionals, it is just like any weekend series. Went to two of the three UNC/Arizona games last year. Packed stadium. College kids doing great things..then making a mistake to let the other team back into the game.
I would love for us to get to a regional and super regionals.. They are awesome.

[Saint3333]

How will the increased roster size in baseball change that dynamic?

[AppSt94]

How many difference makers do we realistically need for our football team to achieve the goals and success many think is attainable? That being win the Sunbelt, get into the CFP discussion, play in a significant bowl game. How about basketball? Win the Belt, make the Big Dance, probably lose in the first round or maybe become the first day darling like High Point then quickly forgotten by the Sweet 16 round. It’s painfully obvious that at our level not fielding a football team creates more opportunities to succeed in basketball. I’m not advocating dropping football but isn’t it completely unrealistic to expect to bring in and keep any real talent for more than a year with our salary cap?

Our best chance to make the postseason and a run is baseball (even though it's been a while). Then Basketball. Then football.
NCAA D1 just came out with a field of 64 for baseball.
3 Sun Belt teams are projected in. (Tx State Coastal USM)
2 on the bubble. (UL and Troy)

Your typical suspects but getting 3-5 teams in postseason every year and not wanting to pour money into that program is beyond me.
Don't forget what Murray State did last year...Omaha.

I wish we could legitimately fund all 3, but it might be time to play the odds game and step up funding for baseball-every other SBC program is doing it (Marshall, Ark state, ODU)

I don’t disagree with this logic at all. My only pushback is that can a push is funding for baseball actually create a correlation in fan support? Yes Coastal and USM are heavily invested in baseball, but they get the attendance to generate enough revenue from game days to assist in the cost. Can we consistently fill our 1k seat venue with our limited home schedule to generate enough to create a reasonable ROI?

[AppGrad78]

We’re seeing a noticeable uptick in baseball attendance this season, fueled almost completely by students. Alcohol sales, it seems, have increased dramatically, too.

[biggie]

We’re seeing a noticeable uptick in baseball attendance this season, fueled almost completely by students. Alcohol sales, it seems, have increased dramatically, too.

Anyone know how food selection is go with the beer?

[311neers]

How many difference makers do we realistically need for our football team to achieve the goals and success many think is attainable? That being win the Sunbelt, get into the CFP discussion, play in a significant bowl game. How about basketball? Win the Belt, make the Big Dance, probably lose in the first round or maybe become the first day darling like High Point then quickly forgotten by the Sweet 16 round. It’s painfully obvious that at our level not fielding a football team creates more opportunities to succeed in basketball. I’m not advocating dropping football but isn’t it completely unrealistic to expect to bring in and keep any real talent for more than a year with our salary cap?

Our best chance to make the postseason and a run is baseball (even though it's been a while). Then Basketball. Then football.
NCAA D1 just came out with a field of 64 for baseball.
3 Sun Belt teams are projected in. (Tx State Coastal USM)
2 on the bubble. (UL and Troy)

Your typical suspects but getting 3-5 teams in postseason every year and not wanting to pour money into that program is beyond me.
Don't forget what Murray State did last year...Omaha.

I wish we could legitimately fund all 3, but it might be time to play the odds game and step up funding for baseball-every other SBC program is doing it (Marshall, Ark state, ODU)

I don’t disagree with this logic at all. My only pushback is that can a push is funding for baseball actually create a correlation in fan support? Yes Coastal and USM are heavily invested in baseball, but they get the attendance to generate enough revenue from game days to assist in the cost. Can we consistently fill our 1k seat venue with our limited home schedule to generate enough to create a reasonable ROI?

I'm not sure about ROI or any of that but I do know most SBC programs are trying in baseball now. Even the bad programs are pouring money into baseball to be competitive.

Arkansas State has 1 winning season in 14 years.
Finally found money.
They got 2k Friday and Saturday and 1200 Sunday for the Southern Miss series. Now that's USM coming to town, but Arkansas state has been a doormat for years....not anymore.

ULM- mediocre program with a decent team this year got 1500 average attendance against TX State.
Marshall (new stadium)- historically Meh program got 1600 on average for their Georgia State series...

I think once the construction is done up on Bodenheimer (including some resi units up there) you might see more fans next year. Getting the students involved is crucial. Cold Beer and hot dogs baby!

(Sorry this is probably in the wrong thread, but I guess we're still talking football basketball and baseball in general)

[311neers]

Huntley not dressed out.
Don’t see much yellow in here for App State night.

[ASU07]

I do think weather is a huge factor in building a baseball program in Boone. I also think we should be extremely grateful for a coach like Kerns that puts a quality product on the floor every year despite a limited budget even for the SB in basketball.

[BUTCH1991]

Losing an Assistant Coach

[Stonewall]

As it should be. Always a kind word from Tanner. Excited for him.

[biggie]

[311neers]

That one stings. We rarely can hang onto Freshman guards. Once they get here, they see the system, and then leave.

[asu2000]

That one stings. We rarely can hang onto Freshman guards. Once they get here, they see the system, and then leave.

He only played 1-3 minutes per game - so very weird - maybe he was not patient enough to take his turn next year, maybe there was something else going on. I personally expected this as we built him up as the all world scorer for NC and he got like one shot a game, I was hoping he would stay. I also no longer will take hardly any stock in Kerns per-season feelings about the team. Its all a crystal ball for the season anyway, but one year it was "we are going to score a lot of points" and that never happened, this year it was "these guys are ready and going to play" and several of those got benched and barely got in. With coach Tanner leaving and our starting 5 gone, we need to find some diamonds in the portal and a good recruiter coach or GM - or this could be a tough year, but I imagine the schedule will be built around rebuilding to keep the win loss record in decent order.

[Stonewall]

Bobby Cremins nephew Jon is or will be soon , the new HC at Georgia State.

[NattyBumppo'sRevenge]

That one stings. We rarely can hang onto Freshman guards. Once they get here, they see the system, and then leave.

He only played 1-3 minutes per game - so very weird - maybe he was not patient enough to take his turn next year, maybe there was something else going on. I personally expected this as we built him up as the all world scorer for NC and he got like one shot a game, I was hoping he would stay. I also no longer will take hardly any stock in Kerns per-season feelings about the team. Its all a crystal ball for the season anyway, but one year it was "we are going to score a lot of points" and that never happened, this year it was "these guys are ready and going to play" and several of those got benched and barely got in. With coach Tanner leaving and our starting 5 gone, we need to find some diamonds in the portal and a good recruiter coach or GM - or this could be a tough year, but I imagine the schedule will be built around rebuilding to keep the win loss record in decent order.

With Banks coming back and us bringing in 2 guards that appear to be pretty good, he probably wasn’t going to get a starting role. I liked him but he’s not transferring up, probably not laterally

[agentpaul001]

Is there any possibility of Tot staying? The JUCO rules have changed so many times it's damn tough to follow, but I'd love to see him back paired with someone running point.

[311neers]

That one stings. We rarely can hang onto Freshman guards. Once they get here, they see the system, and then leave.

He only played 1-3 minutes per game - so very weird - maybe he was not patient enough to take his turn next year, maybe there was something else going on. I personally expected this as we built him up as the all world scorer for NC and he got like one shot a game, I was hoping he would stay. I also no longer will take hardly any stock in Kerns per-season feelings about the team. Its all a crystal ball for the season anyway, but one year it was "we are going to score a lot of points" and that never happened, this year it was "these guys are ready and going to play" and several of those got benched and barely got in. With coach Tanner leaving and our starting 5 gone, we need to find some diamonds in the portal and a good recruiter coach or GM - or this could be a tough year, but I imagine the schedule will be built around rebuilding to keep the win loss record in decent order.

With Banks coming back and us bringing in 2 guards that appear to be pretty good, he probably wasn’t going to get a starting role. I liked him but he’s not transferring up, probably not laterally

There’s still plenty of minutes to go around regardless. We lost Clarke, Tot, Dodd and 13.
Probably 70% of our production right there. Kinda odd. The opportunity to play is there.