Why even have Capel finish the season?

[WVAPPeer]

What if? --- APP had a guard combo of that Spike kid playing at Michigan and the Graham kid who decommitted - both were coming here and I don't see either case being the fault of Capel as to why they are not here --- Just asking this one question - not making any statement ---

[StorminASU]

What if? --- APP had a guard combo of that Spike kid playing at Michigan and the Graham kid who decommitted - both were coming here and I don't see either case being the fault of Capel as to why they are not here --- Just asking this one question - not making any statement ---

One could make the argument, if we actually managed to win games, recruits wouldn't be so eager to run away from LOI's, but Spike might have been a lost cause either way. I just think you have to look through recruit eyes and see what he's built here. Not exactly going places if you come to ASU.

[wataugan03]

What if? --- APP had a guard combo of that Spike kid playing at Michigan and the Graham kid who decommitted - both were coming here and I don't see either case being the fault of Capel as to why they are not here --- Just asking this one question - not making any statement ---

What if Donte Minter didn't decommit and we had him all 4 years? What if Rufus Leach didn't drown in Watauga Lake? What if Ike Butts didn't get injured so much?

Not to say these unlucky surprises don't matter, they obviously have a major effect. But, you can't dwell on them too much. We've been bad for 3.5 years and we keep getting worse. We don't appear to have a coherent plan offensively or defensively, or at least our players don't know how to execute it. Its hard to say that a little better luck on the recruiting trail would make us much better. In other words, Spike Albrecht's success is as much a product of good coaching and good teammates as it is a product of Spike's natural talent.

[PhillyApp1]

I thought i was watching an intermural game watch them play.
I did not see one shooter that looked like a shooter.
slow lazy passes.
nobody intense on defense.
turnover, and then jog back to find someone to guard.

Just wow, i saw the same team last year in charlotte to play ECU.

Watching this team for the last few years has been very tough. I would bet there is a pick up team in boone that could beat us.

i'll just keep hoping for a new direction.

[YesAppCan]

Start over early. Send him packing- start the search for next year's coach NOW!

[JCline0429]

Capel definitely is not performing well, but a midyear transition in coaches is not a good idea. An assistant taking over is not a guarantee that things would improve and as someone else posted, there aren't many coaches who would leave their current role to come in midyear.

[Nugget49]

You probably cannot even talk to potential replacements until their teams are finished playing for the year. Sure, you can talk to their agent, or lawyer, or some other representative, but direct contact is not very above board. Removing Capel now would only be about sending a message to your team and fans. With a contract that ends this season that message has already been sent. If you had an assistant that you thought might be the guy to take over making him interim for the rest of the season would be a way to audition him, but I get the sense that App is ready to clean house. Your best bet is to just take the high road, let Capel finish out the year, and part like gentlemen. In the mean time Cobb should reserve his hotel suite at the Final Four and start booking appointments. If he does not come home with several campus visits lined up he has failed.

[Maddog1956]

Removing Capel now would only be about sending a message to your team and fans. With a contract that ends this season that message has already been sent. ... Your best bet is to just take the high road, let Capel finish out the year, and part like gentlemen. In the mean time Cobb should reserve his hotel suite at the Final Four and start booking appointments. If he does not come home with several campus visits lined up he has failed.

I agree, the only message we can send out is how we treat our coaches and the only people that really matters to are the other coaches that we may try to recruit. Fans, donors (if there are any) don't really care if he finishes the season or not.

After the JM debacle, we're not going to rated too high on that scale anyway so maybe letting him finish will show that we don't throw all our coaches under the bus.

[Saint3333]

What if? --- APP had a guard combo of that Spike kid playing at Michigan and the Graham kid who decommitted - both were coming here and I don't see either case being the fault of Capel as to why they are not here --- Just asking this one question - not making any statement ---

What if is a question that can never be answered.

I have one question, has there ever been a coach you think we should let go?

The roll of the dice is over. Capel will finish the year, contract will not be renewed. Capel will land on his feet as the second assistant of a BCS program and make close to six figures, where he probably should have been to last four years. I don't blame him, he was put into a position he wasn't ready for.

App will hopefully hire a coach with experience and proven track record.

[HappyHippie]

Our problem is Cobb's track record and finances.

[WVAPPeer]

What if? --- APP had a guard combo of that Spike kid playing at Michigan and the Graham kid who decommitted - both were coming here and I don't see either case being the fault of Capel as to why they are not here --- Just asking this one question - not making any statement ---

What if is a question that can never be answered.

I have one question, has there ever been a coach you think we should let go?

The roll of the dice is over. Capel will finish the year, contract will not be renewed. Capel will land on his feet as the second assistant of a BCS program and make close to six figures, where he probably should have been to last four years. I don't blame him, he was put into a position he wasn't ready for.

App will hopefully hire a coach with experience and proven track record.

- you evidently read something into my comment - I was asking if anyone felt there would be a significant difference in this team if these 2 guys were playing - maybe, maybe not - I don't know
- Yes, I have felt some coaches should be let go - particularly those who break the bond of trust and/or commit crimes
- Rarely for won-loss records (not speaking about pro) if every other facet of the complete job is being met/exceeded - When a coach is fired it affects much more than just one guy or one family
- I've met Capel a couple of times, very briefly, and I like him so from a personal standpoint I wouldn't want to see him fired - the basketball team has really struggled and probably does need some changes but I'm not sure APP will ever be a contender in basketball ---

[Maddog1956]

Our problem is Cobb's track record and finances.

We can't blame Cobb, I imagine he hasn't seen a game or even knows our record. I imagine he's much more interested in ACC scores.

[T-Dog]

Our problem is Cobb's track record and finances.

We can't blame Cobb, I imagine he hasn't seen a game or even knows our record. I imagine he's much more interested in ACC scores.

That would be a goodone for the anti-Cobb circle jerif I hadn't seen him at every home game I've been to.

But I have so ooohhh, buzzkill.

[Maddog1956]

Our problem is Cobb's track record and finances.

We can't blame Cobb, I imagine he hasn't seen a game or even knows our record. I imagine he's much more interested in ACC scores.

That would be a goodone for the anti-Cobb circle jerif I hadn't seen him at every home game I've been to.

But I have so ooohhh, buzzkill.

That was said a little tongue in cheek, but if he's been there and watching us crumble to this level it may be even worst. At least if he was so busy in his other task that he didn't know how bad Capel is, there would be an excuse. In the end he owns it.

[Saint3333]

What if? --- APP had a guard combo of that Spike kid playing at Michigan and the Graham kid who decommitted - both were coming here and I don't see either case being the fault of Capel as to why they are not here --- Just asking this one question - not making any statement ---

What if is a question that can never be answered.

I have one question, has there ever been a coach you think we should let go?

The roll of the dice is over. Capel will finish the year, contract will not be renewed. Capel will land on his feet as the second assistant of a BCS program and make close to six figures, where he probably should have been to last four years. I don't blame him, he was put into a position he wasn't ready for.

App will hopefully hire a coach with experience and proven track record.

- you evidently read something into my comment - I was asking if anyone felt there would be a significant difference in this team if these 2 guys were playing - maybe, maybe not - I don't know
- Yes, I have felt some coaches should be let go - particularly those who break the bond of trust and/or commit crimes
- Rarely for won-loss records (not speaking about pro) if every other facet of the complete job is being met/exceeded - When a coach is fired it affects much more than just one guy or one family
- I've met Capel a couple of times, very briefly, and I like him so from a personal standpoint I wouldn't want to see him fired - the basketball team has really struggled and probably does need some changes but I'm not sure APP will ever be a contender in basketball ---

Rarely for wins/losses? What is/was your profession? In my world being a good person and doing the right thing is expected. Performing well in my tasks gets me hired/promoted/fired.

To be a D1 head coach winning is critical.

How can only schools with smaller budgets and fewer resources be contenders and App can't? That is a terrible attitude to assume we can't be.

[Appsolutley]

"but I'm not sure APP will ever be a contender in basketball"

I'm glad you are not the AD. That remark reflects an attitude we have to change if we are ever to have a competitive team--whether Capel finishes the year or not.

[AppinVA]

It makes more sense to say that I'm not sure App will make the commitment to be a contender in basketball. "Can't" is often mistaken for "won't".

[WVAPPeer]

"but I'm not sure APP will ever be a contender in basketball"

I'm glad you are not the AD. That remark reflects an attitude we have to change if we are ever to have a competitive team--whether Capel finishes the year or not.

Just making an objective opinion from a non-APP grad - there is no recent history to suggest otherwise - the games I attended back in the early 2000s when APP had a pretty good team and were playing top programs like CofC and there weren't 2500 people there on a Saturday - just one example - people on here wanted Fancher fired and now Capel and not to mention the Buzz Show - What makes any of you think that APP can and will be a conference championship caliber team?
Negatives not in question -
1. It's a football school
2. extremely poor following and extremely low attendance
3. not much student support
4. not a top recruitment area
5. not a lot of $ to help lure a coach
etc.

[Saint3333]

We've not talking top 25, we are saying top 100 RPI or in the top third. That should be realistic.

[EastHallApp]

Maybe my view is skewed because of when I was a student (96-2000). I know App's long-term history isn't great, but my introduction to App basketball was a program that won 20+ games a year and consistently finished at or near the top of the conference. So it's hard for me to say we can't be successful in hoops.