Darcie & crew gone

[appstate77]

I'm not an attorney by profession, but sometimes I have to play that role here on the MMB.

The lack of official comment from Appalachian just SHOUTS that many of the rumors being repeated and embellished are simply untrue. Everybody should be standing down. It's clear that most here have no clue what, if anything, has happened. Those who do think they know are holding back because they weren't there and they only have hearsay info. And before someone brings it up, I can say that no criminal charges have been filed in Watauga County District or Superior Court against any member of the WBB staff as of 8:45 PM this evening.

Think about it. There's a reason that Coach Vincent's info is still on appstatesports.com. She's still our head coach--at least for now.

If there's been a flare-up of something job or career sensitive that could be interpreted as a contract violation, it's going to ultimately be decided by lawyers, negotiations and possibly civil courts; not by an assoc. AD for facilities.

http://www.citizen-times.com/story/spor ... /15147385/

Looks like there is something to this.

[asu66]

I'm not an attorney by profession, but sometimes I have to play that role here on the MMB.

The lack of official comment from Appalachian just SHOUTS that many of the rumors being repeated and embellished are simply untrue. Everybody should be standing down. It's clear that most here have no clue what, if anything, has happened. Those who do think they know are holding back because they weren't there and they only have hearsay info. And before someone brings it up, I can say that no criminal charges have been filed in Watauga County District or Superior Court against any member of the WBB staff as of 8:45 PM this evening.

Think about it. There's a reason that Coach Vincent's info is still on appstatesports.com. She's still our head coach--at least for now.

If there's been a flare-up of something job or career sensitive that could be interpreted as a contract violation, it's going to ultimately be decided by lawyers, negotiations and possibly civil courts; not by an assoc. AD for facilities.

http://www.citizen-times.com/story/spor ... /15147385/

Looks like there is something to this.

77SU beat you to this info several hours ago. Did you not read the entire thread?

[appstate77]

Yes I did. From your post you said as of 8:45 pm nothing had been legally posted. Also your attitude reminds me of appfan. I am not stupid.

[asu66]

From your post you said as of 8:45 pm nothing had been legally posted.

Actually, that's not at all what I said.

[firemoose]

I'm not an attorney by profession, but sometimes I have to play that role here on the MMB.

The lack of official comment from Appalachian just SHOUTS that many of the rumors being repeated and embellished are simply untrue. Everybody should be standing down. It's clear that most here have no clue what, if anything, has happened. Those who do think they know are holding back because they weren't there and they only have hearsay info.

Think about it. There's a reason that Coach Vincent's info is still on appstatesports.com. She's still the coach--at least for now.

If there has been a flare-up of something job or career sensitive, it's going to be ultimately decided by lawyers, negotiations and possibly civil courts; not by an assoc. AD for facilities.

I finally have enough of the story in line so I can post it. Doubt we'll get as much from the university but I'm typing it in the next post.

[asu66]

I'm not an attorney by profession, but sometimes I have to play that role here on the MMB.

The lack of official comment from Appalachian just SHOUTS that many of the rumors being repeated and embellished are simply untrue. Everybody should be standing down. It's clear that most here have no clue what, if anything, has happened. Those who do think they know are holding back because they weren't there and they only have hearsay info.

Think about it. There's a reason that Coach Vincent's info is still on appstatesports.com. She's still the coach--at least for now.

If there has been a flare-up of something job or career sensitive, it's going to be ultimately decided by lawyers, negotiations and possibly civil courts; not by an assoc. AD for facilities.

I finally have enough of the story confirmed so I can post it. Doubt we'll get as much from the university but I'm typing it in the next post.

Good deal. Thanks for your dedicated work. Moose. I know this has been weighing heavily on you; as it has many of us.

[firemoose]

I don't like to use the word confirmed since this has not been released by the university and as you'll see it's doubtful some of it ever will. Still a couple of minor pieces missing but here goes.

According to sources (NO NAMES) a complaint was filed in June against the staff by a player for alleged verbal abuse (by all reports). Not a real surprise as we've all heard stories about how Coach Vincent treated the players and spoke about them and to them (even a couple against some of the staff as well which tracks with them being included) but it appears that this was just the last straw, so to speak. The whole staff was suspended at that time pending an investigation. This is the reason for the rumors that there had been no contact between players and staff for a few weeks. From what has been told the university was talking to players separately to see if others would come forward and some did. It was enough that, last weekend, ASU police escorted Coaches Vincent, Kearney, and Katz to their offices to clean out their personal belongings and banned them from campus. No word on Coach Jackson. These were the only ones mentioned.

Again, this is not coming officially from the university but this is the first time in over two weeks that stories from three independent sources have lined up enough that I felt comfortable posting it. There are still minor variations in the meat of the story but one thing is clear from all sources. The police escort was witnessed by several people. And in the end that is the most important fact regardless of reasons. That makes it final. Now we see where we go from here.

And one more piece of news, completely unrelated. Director of Athletic Training Services Jason Robey has resigned. I know many are going to say "everybody is jumping the ship" but he left to take a job at the University of Miami. Unrelated except timing. He just left for a job at a bigger University.

[YesAppCan]

Thanks for the work Moose!

[tjpappy]

Thanks for the great reporting on this one. I am sorry to hear that about WBB.

I must say that I am surprised that Athletics let this story get ahead of them. If concern was to the point of publicly escorting the coaching staff from campus (vs. handling it discreetly), then they must have known that they had effectively let them go by taking that step. Things do happen, but once they do it is hard to rely on anyone to keep them under wraps for very long. Even if the parties who are directly involved keep it quiet, others hear and something is bound to come out.

[JTApps1]

Thanks Moose. The new AD will certainly have a full plate when they get started.

[YesAppCan]

Vincent Resigns as Women’s Basketball Coach
http://www.appstatesports.com/ViewArtic ... =209636234

[T-Dog]

Press release out. Darcie "resigned today". Nothing about the rest of the staff. They needed a Baghdad Bob picture to go with the release.

[asu66]

I don't like to use the word confirmed since this has not been released by the university and as you'll see it's doubtful some of it ever will. Still a couple of minor pieces missing but here goes.

According to sources (NO NAMES) a complaint was filed in June against the staff by a player for alleged verbal abuse (by all reports). Not a real surprise as we've all heard stories about how Coach Vincent treated the players and spoke about them and to them (even a couple against some of the staff as well which tracks with them being included) but it appears that this was just the last straw, so to speak. The whole staff was suspended at that time pending an investigation. This is the reason for the rumors that there had been no contact between players and staff for a few weeks. From what has been told the university was talking to players separately to see if others would come forward and some did. It was enough that, during the volleyball tournament last weekend, ASU police came and escorted Coaches Vincent, Kearney, and Katz to their offices to clean out their personal belongings and banned them from campus. No word on Coach Jackson. These were the only ones mentioned.

Again, this is not coming officially from the university but this is the first time in over two weeks that stories from three independent sources have lined up enough that I felt comfortable posting it. There are still minor variations in the meat of the story but one thing is clear from all sources. The police escort was witnessed by several people. And in the end that is the most important fact regardless of reasons. That makes it final. Now we see where we go from here.

And one more piece of news, completely unrelated. Director of Athletic Training Services Jason Robey has resigned. I know many are going to say "everybody is jumping the ship" but he left to take a job at the University of Miami. Unrelated except timing. He just left for a job at a bigger University.

I've been sort of monitoring Vincent's and Kearney's Twitter accounts all week. They were both subdued and reflective with their posts--using Biblical quotation content that addressed rising to the challenge of hard times with the help of the Lord. You could almost tell that they were deep in thought and trying to prepare for adversity.

This situation could become messy if/when the three coaches involve attorneys and/or the US Office of Civil Rights in seeking to exercise their right of appeal of any action the university has taken or might take in the near future.

For the sake of discussion, let's assume for a moment the university upholds the suspensions and follows through with a formal dismissal for cause (violation of one or more clauses in the coaches' contracts). That means that the university needs to employ an interim coaching staff--and pronto. Pre-season practice for the WBB team begins in exactly four weeks. It's a heck of a tough task to get quality, high character and competent basketball coaches to do interim coaching this "late in the game" so to speak. Our WBB program is starting it's first year in the Sunbelt already behind the eight ball.

Gotta feel for our kids. They don't deserve this kick in the gut.

[tjpappy]

Since Darcie Vincent resigned isn't it possible that this will be over? I don’t know about the assistants. Perhaps one of them could challenge the suspension or removal, but since Darcie tendered her resignation, I don’t know if there is any reason that we would hear anything else from her. I am thinking that she may have reached a settlement with the university with the assistance of her attorney and that she may not be able to speak about it.

Any potential scandal involving our WBB team seems unlikely to garner much attention, unless someone is really motivated to publicly speak out. There is not usually much investigative pressure from the local media on the university.

[firemoose]

I follow most of the WBB players just as I follow most of the players on all our teams on twitter. As others have stated they haven't been saying anything in the open, even cryptic messages. I've been watching them tonight and the only comment that even came close to mentioning this was from our 2015 commit. She was talking to one of the players and said she hoped all this didn't screw her. The player just told her this was the last thing she should be worried about and to concentrate on her senior season. Said she would be with the "fam" soon. So far the players don't seen shocked or upset. Not really surprised based on the information that has come out. Will keep watching as I'm sure others will too.

I'll be interested to see how SID handles the assistants. All sources said that everyone but the new coach was gone. She was only hired a few months ago. I'll also be interested to see what else comes out now that this has finally broke into the open. I'm sure several will be working to get the complete story.

[JTApps1]

It will be tough to hire a good coach this close to the start of the season, but I would like to see us go after the guy at Samford. He was able to take down our best teams the past few years with less resources than we can offer.

[asu66]

It will be tough to hire a good coach this close to the start of the season, but I would like to see us go after the guy at Samford. He was able to take down our best teams the past few years with less resources than we can offer.

Care to guess who his recruiting coordinator was when he was taking down Darcie's best teams? A coach by the name of *Katherine Katz*.

[77SU]

It will be tough to hire a good coach this close to the start of the season, but I would like to see us go after the guy at Samford. He was able to take down our best teams the past few years with less resources than we can offer.

Care to guess who his recruiting coordinator was when he was taking down Darcie's best teams? A coach by the name of *Katherine Katz*.

Which is why I watched this situation with interest all day Friday. IMHO I don't think you have a chance with our HCMM. Too many family roots in north and central Alabama. About the only school he has ever talked to is Auburn.

[YesAppCan]

http://www.journalnow.com/sports/asu/ba ... f6878.html

[fjblair]

They fired the entire coaching staff over a claim of "verbal abuse"?

What does that even mean in the context of coaching college athletes? These athletes are adults, not children. Must be some really breathtaking "verbal abuse". There must have been previous complaints and it just snowballed.