The ASU coaching search and potential candidates to discuss

[JTApps1]

based off the rumor mill (which we know is always right) here is where we are right now:

App State has no interest in Matt McMahon and if offered the job he would probably turn it down.

Bobby Lutz, the former coach of UNCC and current assistant at NC State, is our top candidate.

MIke Rhoades, current assistant at VCU and former successful head coach at the D3 level, is a close secondary candidate.

Derrick Clark, the coach at Metro State (D2), is a fall-back candidate.

Based off of comparable it looks App is looking to spend between $200,000 and $300,000 on a coach.

Bobby Lutz is making around $225,000 right now at NC State. He seems to be happy and is winning games. If he really wants to be a head coach again his name is also coming up for the UNCW job.

Mike Rhoades' name has come up for the FIU job. Based off comparable they are looking to pay him around $250,000.

Both of these coaches will probably have their names on several coaching lists for other school in coming days.

As of now Derrick Clark's name has not appeared on any other lists and it is unexpected for it to since few D1 schools look to D2 schools for coaches.

I think Cobb might be floating the idea that Matt would turn down the job to cover himself for not going after McMahon. I know he would be interested in the job if he was a candidate.

Your info on Lutz backs up what I was told Sunday evening.

If App State offered Matt McMahon the head coaching position he would take it. Period.

I have no idea what spong is talking about.

"I think Cobb might be floating the idea that Matt would turn down the job to cover himself for not going after McMahon. I know he would be interested in the job if he was a candidate."

Unless you have concrete proof that Charlie is out floating trial balloons about someone he doesn't want to hire (M.McMahon); I think you should keep it to yourself lest you hurt Matt's chances. I happen to believe what you seem to believe. I believe Matt is interested and would consider accepting the job if the salary and contract terms were acceptable to him. Attributing unfounded, negative acts to Charlie could hurt Matt in the long term.

If I thought Matt had any shot at getting an interview I wouldn't say it, but I know he hasnt been given a shot. Matt told my dad he would be interested if offered. He bleeds black and gold, and wants the program to succeed. From everything Im hearing Cobb already picked his man. I seriously doubt my post will have any impact on the hire. Who do you think I am Chuck, Mark Harrell?

[Saint3333]

Wins games and graduate players.

Looking for a coach that can win 10 games next year, 15 the next, 18 year three, 20 year four. Do this and get the APR above 940 and you will get an extension.

The Sun Belt only allows one D2 game a year.

Houston did this.

Not really, but he did get one extension, he couldn't maintain a winning program and he was let go.

[asu66]

"I think Cobb might be floating the idea that Matt would turn down the job to cover himself for not going after McMahon. I know he would be interested in the job if he was a candidate."

Unless you have concrete proof that Charlie is out floating trial balloons about someone he doesn't want to hire (M.McMahon); I think you should keep it to yourself lest you hurt Matt's chances. I happen to believe what you seem to believe. I believe Matt is interested and would consider accepting the job if the salary and contract terms were acceptable to him. Attributing unfounded, negative acts to Charlie could hurt Matt in the long term.

If I thought Matt had any shot at getting an interview I wouldn't say it, but I know he hasnt been given a shot. Matt told my dad he would be interested if offered. He bleeds black and gold, and wants the program to succeed. From everything Im hearing Cobb already picked his man. I seriously doubt my post will have any impact on the hire. Who do you think I am Chuck, Mark Harrell?

Hey, I know Mark Harrell. Mark Harrell is NO friend of mine. You, JTApps1, are no Mark Harrell. I'd never make the mistake of putting you and he in the same category.

From everything I'm hearing Cobb already picked his man.

Well, lay it on us man. A lot of us are like me--hearing almost nothing! Where's that search committee C.Cobb was going to put together. Where are the job advertisements? You kinda need those for a true NATIONAL SEARCH?

[EastHallApp]

Wins games and graduate players.

Looking for a coach that can win 10 games next year, 15 the next, 18 year three, 20 year four. Do this and get the APR above 940 and you will get an extension.

The Sun Belt only allows one D2 game a year.

Houston did this.

Houston was great at running a clean program and graduating good men, but his wins went 11,10,19,9,18,14,25,18,13. Fancher's problem wasn't that he couldn't produce a winner. It was that he couldn't do it consecutively and with a consistent upward trend.

Never making the NCAA Tournament - or even the SoCon final - in nine years didn't help either.

[asutrnr81]

Well, lay it on us man. A lot of us are like me--hearing almost nothing! Where's that search committee C.Cobb was going to put together. Where are the job advertisements? You kinda need those for a true NATIONAL SEARCH?

Dang Chuck you asked a great question and I just believed there was a posting....but I have spent the last 30 minutes searching ASU human resources page and there is NO vacancy announcement.

From what I know about personnel law....there has to be a vacancy announcement!

[T-Dog]

Here should be some answers. Cobb said he's being deliberate on purpose. Considering his 72-hour search for Capel and his 10-day search for Satterfield, it's a wise move.

http://www.journalnow.com/sports/asu/ba ... b2370.html

I really, REALLY hope Cobb takes his time with this and interview a good pool of candidates. There's no need to rush this hire. If someone jumps and takes the job at WF or VT, then that's their prerogative and so be it.

[EastHallApp]

Well, if Lutz is the guy, at least his team was gracious enough to make him available immediately.

[spong]

Here should be some answers. Cobb said he's being deliberate on purpose. Considering his 72-hour search for Capel and his 10-day search for Satterfield, it's a wise move.

http://www.journalnow.com/sports/asu/ba ... b2370.html

I really, REALLY hope Cobb takes his time with this and interview a good pool of candidates. There's no need to rush this hire. If someone jumps and takes the job at WF or VT, then that's their prerogative and so be it.

Interesting how he used the word "tournaments" which would make one think he is looking at some D2 coaches. Anyone know of D2 coaches that would be familiar with Sun Belt basketball?

[EastHallApp]

Here should be some answers. Cobb said he's being deliberate on purpose. Considering his 72-hour search for Capel and his 10-day search for Satterfield, it's a wise move.

http://www.journalnow.com/sports/asu/ba ... b2370.html

I really, REALLY hope Cobb takes his time with this and interview a good pool of candidates. There's no need to rush this hire. If someone jumps and takes the job at WF or VT, then that's their prerogative and so be it.

Interesting how he used the word "tournaments" which would make one think he is looking at some D2 coaches. Anyone know of D2 coaches that would be familiar with Sun Belt basketball?

Or could just be referring to the NIT, CBI & CIT.

[EastHallApp]

I really, REALLY hope Cobb takes his time with this and interview a good pool of candidates. There's no need to rush this hire. If someone jumps and takes the job at WF or VT, then that's their prerogative and so be it.

We aren't going to be competing with ACC teams for coaching hires. Substitute UNCW and FAU for those names and you've got a point.

I'm not a big fan of Cobb's comment about wanting someone with Sun Belt experience or familiarity. Seems like a pretty arbitrary criterion. How is he "trying to grasp what Sun Belt basketball means"? It means we're moving to a moderately tougher league. It's not like they play their games on the moon.

[Kgfish]

Wins games and graduate players.

Looking for a coach that can win 10 games next year, 15 the next, 18 year three, 20 year four. Do this and get the APR above 940 and you will get an extension.

The Sun Belt only allows one D2 game a year.

Houston did this.

Houston was great at running a clean program and graduating good men, but his wins went 11,10,19,9,18,14,25,18,13. Fancher's problem wasn't that he couldn't produce a winner. It was that he couldn't do it consecutively and with a consistent upward trend.

Or with the next to the worst budget in the SoCon.

And with the nicest, newest facility in the SoCon. We can make a 100 excuses why he was/wasn't successful, but the fact remains that when we fired him, it was just time. For the record, I really like Fancher.

Are you talking about that nicest, newest facility in the SoCon Houston wasn't allowed to have a key to the arena and many times (esp on weekends when they visited) unable to show recruits that beautiful arena unless someone on the HCC staff was around to let them in? It doesn't matter how nice the facility is if you do not have access to it and a budget that limits how much and how far you can go recruiting. You can label it an excuse if you want, but I'd call it a reason. And make no mistake about it, the timing of Houston's release was done with a purpose. He was returning a team capable of winning 20+ games and those wanting him gone couldn't take a chance on that happening.

[HeffnerIV]

"Houston was great at running a clean program and graduating good men, but his wins went 11,10,19,9,18,14,25,18,13. Fancher's problem wasn't that he couldn't produce a winner. It was that he couldn't do it consecutively and with a consistent upward trend.[/quote]

Or with the next to the worst budget in the SoCon.[/quote]

And with the nicest, newest facility in the SoCon. We can make a 100 excuses why he was/wasn't successful, but the fact remains that when we fired him, it was just time. For the record, I really like Fancher.[/quote]

Are you talking about that nicest, newest facility in the SoCon Houston wasn't allowed to have a key to the arena and many times (esp on weekends when they visited) unable to show recruits that beautiful arena unless someone on the HCC staff was around to let them in? It doesn't matter how nice the facility is if you do not have access to it and a budget that limits how much and how far you can go recruiting. You can label it an excuse if you want, but I'd call it a reason. And make no mistake about it, the timing of Houston's release was done with a purpose. He was returning a team capable of winning 20+ games and those wanting him gone couldn't take a chance on that happening.[/quote]"

All excuses, reasons, explainations aside, do you think that Fancher should have been re-signed to another contract?

[AppDawg]

Here is a name that is available, if he is looking to get back into the college game. He has had great success in the Sun Belt at WKU in the past... Dennis Felton. He had some rough years at UGA, but if I recall correctly they were still digging out of the Jim Harrick debacle and scholarship restrictions. Felton is currently an assitant coach with the san antonio Spurs, while his family still lives in georgia. I would give him a serious look.

[whosgotthearrow?]

Here are the names I would like get at least a good phone interview (in order from what I like the most to what I like the least):

Duggar Baucom – Head Coach VMI. He had over achieved at VMI and his teams are super fun to watch

I'm right there with you on this one, Spong. VMI's been putting up gaudy offensive numbers under Baucom for his 9 year run there and they've consistently knocked on the Big Dance's door during that time. They are without a doubt the most fun team in the nation the watch (saw them beat the hell out of a good Wright State team in Lexington over the holidays where they must've hit 20 3's).

Having a little brother who's a VMI cadet-athlete, I can attest to how difficult it is to win there. Seriously. Look at the records of every single other team they field there. Unbelievably bad. The fact that they have 20 (21?) wins this year is a miracle of sorts to me. Life at that school is absolutely miserable and I get depressed just thinking of visiting my bro.

If I admitted how many fall Saturdays I've squandered away on VMI's Post WATCHING THEIR FOOTBALL TEAM GET CURBSTOMPED over the last 3 years, I'd blush.

All that said, if Duggar Baucom can get kids to buy in to a 15-hour day, the Ratline (where freshmen are harassed by the Corps for 7 months), the sub-par facilities, the infectious losing culture surrounding his culture in the rest of the athletic department, WHY IN THE WORLD WOULD WE NOT GIVE HIM A SERIOUS LOOK?

VMI has led the country in scoring most of the last decade, has had the CPOY, 2x CDPOY, he's put numerous kids into pro leagues in Europe, everywhere else, and had a kid named Reggie Williams who was in the NBA for like 7 years. They won the Military Classic tournament this year finished 11-5 in a pretty scrappy Big South. Lost a nail biter to Coastal at their place in the conference tournament.

Went up to Canisius the other night and scored 113 points in the CIT tournament. Hosting a game this weekend - first ever home postseason game in school history. I'll be there with my family. VMI has a very loyal, tiny fan base who has a clue of how special Baucom is but overall the resources just aren't there to tout his program. They have a pretty good baseball coach also but other than those two VMI sports could be the worst in the country as a whole.

I'd like us to lead the country in scoring while rebuilding!!! This guy would look at our resources as a goldmine compared to what he's working with at VMI, I bet. Have no clue how they've gotten such good players over the years because I will say that VMI does it the right way.

If anything, the professors go out of their way to remind cadet-athletes that they're not getting any preferential treatment because they happen to play a sport. Not sure about the basketball guys, but he can't even get his summer school paid for (on scholarship) and can't stay around Post to train, etc. Team doesn't have a full-time weight trainer. I could go on and on. Played baseball at App. and we'd be like UCLA or Kansas to this guy compared to whatever he's getting there. 175-200K, whatever.

What was Capel making??

When is the APR penalty going to kick in?

[appgrouch]

"Houston was great at running a clean program and graduating good men, but his wins went 11,10,19,9,18,14,25,18,13. Fancher's problem wasn't that he couldn't produce a winner. It was that he couldn't do it consecutively and with a consistent upward trend.

Or with the next to the worst budget in the SoCon.

And with the nicest, newest facility in the SoCon. We can make a 100 excuses why he was/wasn't successful, but the fact remains that when we fired him, it was just time. For the record, I really like Fancher.

Are you talking about that nicest, newest facility in the SoCon Houston wasn't allowed to have a key to the arena and many times (esp on weekends when they visited) unable to show recruits that beautiful arena unless someone on the HCC staff was around to let them in? It doesn't matter how nice the facility is if you do not have access to it and a budget that limits how much and how far you can go recruiting. You can label it an excuse if you want, but I'd call it a reason. And make no mistake about it, the timing of Houston's release was done with a purpose. He was returning a team capable of winning 20+ games and those wanting him gone couldn't take a chance on that happening.

"

All excuses, reasons, explainations aside, do you think that Fancher should have been re-signed to another contract?

I started the Houston talk and I would say no. BUT he had earned the right to coach out his contract. If he had the year like Buzz did and won against Wofford, then he could have got a 1-2 ext, but both the Coach and the Program could have parted on good terms and neither would have been hurt by it.

[bcoach]

Everyone needs to just calm down. CC has made a decision but can't talk till the tournament is over or at least till K is out. Oh crap I let it out. CC is going to kill me. Now Duke is going to fight to keep him and we will have to give him even more money.

[HeffnerIV]

"Houston was great at running a clean program and graduating good men, but his wins went 11,10,19,9,18,14,25,18,13. Fancher's problem wasn't that he couldn't produce a winner. It was that he couldn't do it consecutively and with a consistent upward trend.

Or with the next to the worst budget in the SoCon.

And with the nicest, newest facility in the SoCon. We can make a 100 excuses why he was/wasn't successful, but the fact remains that when we fired him, it was just time. For the record, I really like Fancher.

Are you talking about that nicest, newest facility in the SoCon Houston wasn't allowed to have a key to the arena and many times (esp on weekends when they visited) unable to show recruits that beautiful arena unless someone on the HCC staff was around to let them in? It doesn't matter how nice the facility is if you do not have access to it and a budget that limits how much and how far you can go recruiting. You can label it an excuse if you want, but I'd call it a reason. And make no mistake about it, the timing of Houston's release was done with a purpose. He was returning a team capable of winning 20+ games and those wanting him gone couldn't take a chance on that happening.

"

All excuses, reasons, explainations aside, do you think that Fancher should have been re-signed to another contract?

I started the Houston talk and I would say no. BUT he had earned the right to coach out his contract. If he had the year like Buzz did and won against Wofford, then he could have got a 1-2 ext, but both the Coach and the Program could have parted on good terms and neither would have been hurt by it.

What did he have left on his contract?

[ASUMountaineer]

Well, lay it on us man. A lot of us are like me--hearing almost nothing! Where's that search committee C.Cobb was going to put together. Where are the job advertisements? You kinda need those for a true NATIONAL SEARCH?

Dang Chuck you asked a great question and I just believed there was a posting....but I have spent the last 30 minutes searching ASU human resources page and there is NO vacancy announcement.

From what I know about personnel law....there has to be a vacancy announcement!

If Capel's contract doesn't end until March 31st, can the school post his position?

[spong]

Reading between the lines of the Journal Article:

http://www.journalnow.com/sports/asu/ba ... b2370.html

Charlie Cobb is looking for a coach that is still coaching and one of the "tournaments" (interesting he seemed to say tournaments and not post-season play which is the more common term which would make me think he is referring to a Championship tournament like D1 or D2 championship) and "knows" Sun Belt basketball.

Most of the perceived front runners are still playing in one of the "tournaments" but Bobby Lutz (this interview was done while NC State was still in) would seem to have to most experience with Sun Belt basketball. He played in the Sun Belt in college (all be it from like 1976 to 1980) and he recently flirted with the Troy job. (His Sun Belt connection is still a bit of a stretch)

Bringing in the importance of knowing the Sun Belt now, which he did not bring up in Capel's press conference, seems to be Cobb directing us towards Lutz.

[Kgfish]

"Houston was great at running a clean program and graduating good men, but his wins went 11,10,19,9,18,14,25,18,13. Fancher's problem wasn't that he couldn't produce a winner. It was that he couldn't do it consecutively and with a consistent upward trend.

Or with the next to the worst budget in the SoCon.[/quote]

And with the nicest, newest facility in the SoCon. We can make a 100 excuses why he was/wasn't successful, but the fact remains that when we fired him, it was just time. For the record, I really like Fancher.[/quote]

Are you talking about that nicest, newest facility in the SoCon Houston wasn't allowed to have a key to the arena and many times (esp on weekends when they visited) unable to show recruits that beautiful arena unless someone on the HCC staff was around to let them in? It doesn't matter how nice the facility is if you do not have access to it and a budget that limits how much and how far you can go recruiting. You can label it an excuse if you want, but I'd call it a reason. And make no mistake about it, the timing of Houston's release was done with a purpose. He was returning a team capable of winning 20+ games and those wanting him gone couldn't take a chance on that happening.[/quote]"

All excuses, reasons, explainations aside, do you think that Fancher should have been re-signed to another contract?[/quote]

I think he should have been allowed to finish out his contract then make the decision. Had he won 20 games Houston would have averaged 19 wins over his last 3 seasons. My issue is the HOW and WHY he was terminated. All done to appease a couple of big mouth blow hards with big checkbooks.