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[NewApp]

Uh oh, vandalism. According to the other thread we should charge them with felonies and kick them out of school.

Iwas not one to push for a felony but if the vandalism was of the same degree they should get the same punishment.

I dunno. The girls did $10,000 worth of damage. Did the boys?

[/\PP ST/\TE GRAD 09]

Was there any Kief in the grinder? Why didn't they use Backwoods? They burn slower. What property was damaged? Medical marijuana has it's own special container? How large was the ziplock bag? Too many questions unanswered for me to draw a conclusion that they were in the wrong.
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Totally kidding, but in all seriousness, have any other details been released or will this be something the school will keep on the low?

[bcoach]

Uh oh, vandalism. According to the other thread we should charge them with felonies and kick them out of school.

Iwas not one to push for a felony but if the vandalism was of the same degree they should get the same punishment.

I dunno. The girls did $10,000 worth of damage. Did the boys?

I have no idea so I can't say, but if it was of the same degree the punishment should be the same. Why should it be any different. My point is that being an athlete should give you no advantage at all. In fact we should look even harder at the athlete on scholarship, doing damage to the University or the surrounding businesses.

[NewApp]

Uh oh, vandalism. According to the other thread we should charge them with felonies and kick them out of school.

Iwas not one to push for a felony but if the vandalism was of the same degree they should get the same punishment.

I dunno. The girls did $10,000 worth of damage. Did the boys?

I have no idea so I can't say, but if it was of the same degree the punishment should be the same. Why should it be any different. My point is that being an athlete should give you no advantage at all. In fact we should look even harder at the athlete on scholarship, doing damage to the University or the surrounding businesses.

bcoach, I thought I was the only one who felt that way. Too, I think admissions standards should be higher for student athletes due to all the time they are projected to miss classes during their 4 years or so, not to mention all the study time they miss due to practices and games..

[CVAPP]

Too, I think admissions standards should be higher for student athletes due to all the time they are projected to miss classes during their 4 years or so, not to mention all the study time they miss due to practices and games..

They should be the same standards. I can't imagine losing a highly sought after recruit to another school that qualified for App academically but was not given an opportunity to succeed at App because they only met the minimum academic standards. If the coaches recruiting them have serious doubts about a prospect's academic ability the coaches can take that into consideration themselves.

[NewApp]

Too, I think admissions standards should be higher for student athletes due to all the time they are projected to miss classes during their 4 years or so, not to mention all the study time they miss due to practices and games..

They should be the same standards. I can't imagine losing a highly sought after recruit to another school that qualified for App academically but was not given an opportunity to succeed at App because they only met the minimum academic standards. If the coaches recruiting them have serious doubts about a prospect's academic ability the coaches can take that into consideration themselves.

You know as well as I do that across the nation there are student athletes who wouldn't be admitted if they weren't athletes.

[WVAPPeer]

Just heard Coach Satterfield say on the radio that the last 2 signing classes had cumulative GPAs of @ 3.5 - hope that is acceptable to some of you guys ---

[CVAPP]

You know as well as I do that across the nation there are student athletes who wouldn't be admitted if they weren't athletes.

Actually I don't know that to be true about App. I assume others set their own standards within the margin they may be provided. UNC-CHeat comes to mind.

[NewApp]

Just heard Coach Satterfield say on the radio that the last 2 signing classes had cumulative GPAs of @ 3.5 - hope that is acceptable to some of you guys ---

Highly acceptable to say the least..

[Appdoggy]

You know as well as I do that across the nation there are student athletes who wouldn't be admitted if they weren't athletes.

Actually I don't know that to be true about App. I assume others set their own standards within the margin they may be provided. UNC-CHeat comes to mind.

App is already a relatively easy school to get into so we probably don't lower our academic standards that much. Yes UNC as well as most every school out there does it. It's a common and acceptable practice. If you think half of Stanford's class would be going there if they weren't playing sports you're kidding yourself.

[AppDawg]

You know as well as I do that across the nation there are student athletes who wouldn't be admitted if they weren't athletes.

Actually I don't know that to be true about App. I assume others set their own standards within the margin they may be provided. UNC-CHeat comes to mind.

App is already a relatively easy school to get into so we probably don't lower our academic standards that much. Yes UNC as well as most every school out there does it. It's a common and acceptable practice. If you think half of Stanford's class would be going there if they weren't playing sports you're kidding yourself.

I don't know that I would go that far. The bar has been raised significantly over the last 10 years.

From our admissions website:

The GPA/test score ranges of the middle 50% of first-year admits:

Weighted GPA: 3.94–4.48
SAT (old – critical reading and math only): 1040–1220
SAT (new – evidence-based reading and writing and math): 1120–1290
ACT (composite): 23–28

https://admissions.appstate.edu/admission-process

[asu66]

App is already a relatively easy school to get into...

You probably shouldn't repeat that to the 9,000+ applicants who will not be admitted to the '17 frosh class.

[NewApp]

You know as well as I do that across the nation there are student athletes who wouldn't be admitted if they weren't athletes.

Actually I don't know that to be true about App. I assume others set their own standards within the margin they may be provided. UNC-CHeat comes to mind.

App is already a relatively easy school to get into so we probably don't lower our academic standards that much. Yes UNC as well as most every school out there does it. It's a common and acceptable practice. If you think half of Stanford's class would be going there if they weren't playing sports you're kidding yourself.

I don't agree with the 50% figure, but I wholeheartedly agree with your premise. Thank you. I know from experiences that non-athletic scholarship programs lower the bar for academic scholarships. In FBS, East Carolina lowers the bar for athletic scholarships. Always has, always will.

[NewApp]

App is already a relatively easy school to get into...

You probably shouldn't repeat that to the 9,000+ applicants who will not be admitted to the '17 frosh class.

A kid in the Key Club of my Kiwanis Club has been admitted to App and has been turned down at at least two other FBS schools. That may be annecdotal, but it does happen. Part of the reason he was admiited was that he is active in two or three ex-curricular organizations.

[Gonzo]

You know as well as I do that across the nation there are student athletes who wouldn't be admitted if they weren't athletes.

Actually I don't know that to be true about App. I assume others set their own standards within the margin they may be provided. UNC-CHeat comes to mind.

App is already a relatively easy school to get into so we probably don't lower our academic standards that much. Yes UNC as well as most every school out there does it. It's a common and acceptable practice. If you think half of Stanford's class would be going there if they weren't playing sports you're kidding yourself.

Compared to what schools? Not many in this great state...

[AppDawg]

App is already a relatively easy school to get into...

You probably shouldn't repeat that to the 9,000+ applicants who will not be admitted to the '17 frosh class.

A kid in the Key Club of my Kiwanis Club has been admitted to App and has been turned down at at least two other FBS schools. That may be annecdotal, but it does happen. Part of the reason he was admiited was that he is active in two or three ex-curricular organizations.

...And I had a friend back in '99 that got accepted at Duke, turned down by chapel hill and he enrolled at App. There will always be one-offs situations. That is why you look at averages.

The numbers I presented are the middle 50%. That means 75% of the class had metrics meeting and exceeding the stats above.

With the interst level in App we literally have the opportunity to select the best of the best. The middle 50% stats and high volume of applicants suggests generally we are.

[JTApps1]

We have the toughest entrance requirements in the conference, and I've heard coaches from several sports talk about players that we can't get into school going to other Sun Belt schools. Why on earth does anyone think we need tougher requirements for athletes? Last I checked our APR scores, GPA's, and graduation rates were very high for all sports.

[Gonzo]

We have the toughest entrance requirements in the conference, and I've heard coaches from several sports talk about players that we can't get into school going to other Sun Belt schools. Why on earth does anyone think we need tougher requirements for athletes? Last I checked our APR scores, GPA's, and graduation rates were very high for all sports.

Yeah....I'm not going to belabor this. Appdoggy's post is incorrect.

We are an academic bastion in the context of the Sun Belt, well above average among Group of Five schools, and we rank anywhere from 2-5 in any given year in admission standards among 17 members of the University of North Carolina System. Our football team is typically at the top of the sports team standings in APR at Appalachian.

He might have a point if we were talking about basketball and the year was 2012.

[app97]

We have the toughest entrance requirements in the conference, and I've heard coaches from several sports talk about players that we can't get into school going to other Sun Belt schools. Why on earth does anyone think we need tougher requirements for athletes? Last I checked our APR scores, GPA's, and graduation rates were very high for all sports.

yep, that's the one reason I can think of that made the Socon better than the Belt (at the time we were there). Davidson, Furman, etc. had higher academic standards. The Sun Belt doesn't seem to have any other great academic schools. Just from observation, App is probably the most sought after/in demand school in the conference. In other words, I would imagine that we reject more students than the others. I know App has more applicants now than ever, but it was always a popular school in NC for applicants. It was always the #1 get away school for the piedmont, in my opinion, and the top backup school for students who were denied admission at UNC. I grew up in Concord and went to App in the mid-90' s and it was a pretty popular choice back then as well, although the difficulty of acceptance might have been more on par with UNCC, UNCG, etc. instead of a notch above them.

[firemoose]

I've been avoiding these other threads like the plague for a while now. The only reason I came to this one was to say that word floating around is that Good will probably be reinstated for this Saturday's game. Previous word was he was to be tested and if clear, would be back. If true then if he's dressed Saturday then one assumes he passed.

Since I came in here I will say one thing about the standards for athletes from a recruiting standpoint. What JT said is correct. I can give you the names of many, MANY recruits that we were after that could not get into App and went to other Sun Belt, G5, and FCS schools. And it's not limited to football. This is one of the reasons we've missed on some key positions in the past two years alone. Just off the top of my head I can think of a dozen or so that wanted to commit to us but we couldn't take, and that are playing at Belt, CUSA, and FCS schools. One even went to an AAC school. We've had grade issues in the past, even with the higher standards, but we're having a lot less now, and most of those came in here with good grades but just couldn't handle the rigors that go along with trying to be a student athlete. College is hard for most everyone. But even harder when you have to throw in all the extra work for a athlete.