First steps for the new coach? Fox by all accounts so far.

[WVAPPeer]

I'm not referring to criticizing them as coaches - dozens of college coaches get fired every year - I doubt you can find one example on here were I criticized a post/poster for questioning the basketball staff's strategies, decisions, lineups. recruiting, etc., but I do believe it goes beyond common decency to say we need to get rid of the "stench" and to say "one man destroyed" our basketball program - this to me sounds as if all perceived actions were performed intentionally just to destroy the program ---

Certainly Capel was hired for a job for which he was not prepared - should he have turned it down? - No, I cannot put the full blame on him and I certainly don't think he intentionally did anything to destroy the program --- Thank God, when I was coaching it wasn't high visibility nor in the age of the internet because I did some DUMBASS things my first couple of years none of which were intended to destroy the program at my school ---

[Gonzo]

Intentional or not, it is accurate to say that they did in fact destroy the program and that the current state of the program could be accurately characterized as "stinking."

IMO, personal attacks (like "Jason Capel's mama's so fat, her blood type is Rocky Road"), would cross the line. I don't think any posts have done that. It's all performance-based.

[JCline0429]

This regime was inept. When the team appeared lost and couldn't buy a win against a D-1 school, the coach would throw the players under the bus. Attendance fell to squat, the team became irrelevant in the SoCon, and we now face APR issues that will haunt us for years. Our only ESPN highlight for four years was an air ball free throw.

If I had done similar damage to my employer and stakeholders at my job,regardless of how hard I worked or wanted to succeed, I guarantee that "stench" would be one of the most complimentary terms that would be said.

One advantage that 99% of us have in our occupation is that we don't have 10's of thousands critiquing us on every move we make and often by fans and media who don't know college athletics and specifically the ins and outs of coaching/recruiting from a hole in the ground. At least in our profession the ones doing the critiquing normally have a knowledge of our profession.

[bcoach]

He never should have been put in that position in the first place. He had no experience at all and was handed the reigns to a DIV 1 team. Something should have been done in his second year. He should have been replaced. That would have been more fare to him and to the program. Here is the deal though. It is over. Beating him up does no good at all. We have a fresh start. Let's look forward.

[JTApps1]

WVA,
Lighten up. Not a "'juvenile" indictment of each individual coach's work ethic, but a realistic comment on where our program has been taken(i.e. dumpster fire). The results on and off the court were unacceptable. This caring, hardworking staff had to be held accountable, and that's why they are gone. If my saying that they created a stench offends you, so be it.

Why would it offend me? - I don't know Jason Capel nor any of his assistants - I just hope no one on MMB faces a similar situation, working hard to succeed in an aspect of his/her professional/personal life only to have someone come along say "get the Lysol and remove the stench" once said endeavor turns out to be unsuccessful ---

Unfortunately there were issues with arrests, multiple suspensions, serious grade issues, and back door deals to get him the job. So in the case I'd say it is fair to describe the program as having a stench to it as of now.

[WVAPPeer]

WVA,
Lighten up. Not a "'juvenile" indictment of each individual coach's work ethic, but a realistic comment on where our program has been taken(i.e. dumpster fire). The results on and off the court were unacceptable. This caring, hardworking staff had to be held accountable, and that's why they are gone. If my saying that they created a stench offends you, so be it.

Why would it offend me? - I don't know Jason Capel nor any of his assistants - I just hope no one on MMB faces a similar situation, working hard to succeed in an aspect of his/her professional/personal life only to have someone come along say "get the Lysol and remove the stench" once said endeavor turns out to be unsuccessful ---

Unfortunately there were issues with arrests, multiple suspensions, serious grade issues, and back door deals to get him the job. So in the case I'd say it is fair to describe the program as having a stench to it as of now.

and the only example of the above listed offenses is APP State Basketball? - Did he have the power to make the back door deal himself to secure the job? - if not, then I don't see that as his fault ---

[JCline0429]

Intentional or not, it is accurate to say that they did in fact destroy the program and that the current state of the program could be accurately characterized as "stinking."

IMO, personal attacks (like "Jason Capel's mama's so fat, her blood type is Rocky Road"), would cross the line. I don't think any posts have done that. It's all performance-based.

The blame for his "destroying" our program goes partially to the ones who hired him. What did we expect from a man whose primary experience was a few weeks sitting on the bench? Any stench that was credited to our program was not done alone...especially when you consider he had a whole 4 years to do it.

Furthermore to disparage his mother is not at all the extreme it took for a fandom to destroy his name. It has gone well beyond over the top. Capel wore the black and gold for four years and that should be taken in to consideration. We should just be glad the nightmare is over...and proceed with class.
Gonzo, this post was not primarily meant for you.

[JCline0429]

WVA,
Lighten up. Not a "'juvenile" indictment of each individual coach's work ethic, but a realistic comment on where our program has been taken(i.e. dumpster fire). The results on and off the court were unacceptable. This caring, hardworking staff had to be held accountable, and that's why they are gone. If my saying that they created a stench offends you, so be it.

Why would it offend me? - I don't know Jason Capel nor any of his assistants - I just hope no one on MMB faces a similar situation, working hard to succeed in an aspect of his/her professional/personal life only to have someone come along say "get the Lysol and remove the stench" once said endeavor turns out to be unsuccessful ---

Unfortunately there were issues with arrests, multiple suspensions, serious grade issues, and back door deals to get him the job. So in the case I'd say it is fair to describe the program as having a stench to it as of now.

and the only example of the above listed offenses is APP State Basketball? - Did he have the power to make the back door deal himself to secure the job? - if not, then I don't see that as his fault ---

I agree with you and at the same time blame his Tar Heel legacy and its following the most.

[JTApps1]

WVA,
Lighten up. Not a "'juvenile" indictment of each individual coach's work ethic, but a realistic comment on where our program has been taken(i.e. dumpster fire). The results on and off the court were unacceptable. This caring, hardworking staff had to be held accountable, and that's why they are gone. If my saying that they created a stench offends you, so be it.

Why would it offend me? - I don't know Jason Capel nor any of his assistants - I just hope no one on MMB faces a similar situation, working hard to succeed in an aspect of his/her professional/personal life only to have someone come along say "get the Lysol and remove the stench" once said endeavor turns out to be unsuccessful ---

Unfortunately there were issues with arrests, multiple suspensions, serious grade issues, and back door deals to get him the job. So in the case I'd say it is fair to describe the program as having a stench to it as of now.

and the only example of the above listed offenses is APP State Basketball? - Did he have the power to make the back door deal himself to secure the job? - if not, then I don't see that as his fault ---

You're right, the football team has had the first 2 issues as well. Luckily, Scott is doing his best to clean up the stench he inherited too.

[bcoach]

WVA,
Lighten up. Not a "'juvenile" indictment of each individual coach's work ethic, but a realistic comment on where our program has been taken(i.e. dumpster fire). The results on and off the court were unacceptable. This caring, hardworking staff had to be held accountable, and that's why they are gone. If my saying that they created a stench offends you, so be it.

Why would it offend me? - I don't know Jason Capel nor any of his assistants - I just hope no one on MMB faces a similar situation, working hard to succeed in an aspect of his/her professional/personal life only to have someone come along say "get the Lysol and remove the stench" once said endeavor turns out to be unsuccessful ---

Unfortunately there were issues with arrests, multiple suspensions, serious grade issues, and back door deals to get him the job. So in the case I'd say it is fair to describe the program as having a stench to it as of now.

and the only example of the above listed offenses is APP State Basketball? - Did he have the power to make the back door deal himself to secure the job? - if not, then I don't see that as his fault ---

You're right, the football team has had the first 2 issues as well. Luckily, Scott is doing his best to clean up the stench he inherited too.

You honestly think that Scott will never have those issues to deal with? Hardly a day goes by that there is not something reported in the sports pages. All in all I would say that our football program has been better than most. I don't think any of the crap we see today should go on but I don't think I could put the word stench on our program.

[JCline0429]

The term "stench" stinks. ...and has connotations beyond the state of our program. Now if he had done things that got us into serious trouble with the NCAA or the media I might agree with it.

Now I'll shut up before someone says I approve of Capel.

[appst89]

The term "stench" stinks. ...and has connotations beyond the state of our program. Now if he had done things that got us into serious trouble with the NCAA or the media I might agree with it.

Now I'll shut up before someone says I approve of Capel.

How much more serious than the impending post-season ban and loss of scholaships does the trouble with the NCAA need to be?

[bcoach]

Some of us are not as well informed of the trouble as others. Can anyone spell out the accusations and possible or already determined penalties we may be facing?

[Gonzo]

The term "stench" stinks. ...and has connotations beyond the state of our program. Now if he had done things that got us into serious trouble with the NCAA or the media I might agree with it.

Now I'll shut up before someone says I approve of Capel.

How much more serious than the impending post-season ban and loss of scholaships does the trouble with the NCAA need to be?

Well we had folks on here making light of UNC's mess, which is the most egregious academic fraud scandal in NCAA history, so anything is possible.

[ASU-FTW]

Fire Capel one more time, just for good measure.

[firemoose]

I've been pretty quite on this topic but it's clear to many that some of our PTB's have NO idea about the impact and role that social media plays in today's world. It's nearly impossible to keep anything quite anymore. Just make the damn announcement and get on with it.

[appst89]

Some of us are not as well informed of the trouble as others. Can anyone spell out the accusations and possible or already determined penalties we may be facing?

This is about as succinct a recap of the APR as I can find.........and it is mathematically impossible for us to achieve the minimum score for next year, if I recall the earlier duscussion.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Academic_Progress_Rate

[bcoach]

Some of us are not as well informed of the trouble as others. Can anyone spell out the accusations and possible or already determined penalties we may be facing?

This is about as succinct a recap of the APR as I can find.........and it is mathematically impossible for us to achieve the minimum score for next year, if I recall the earlier duscussion.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Academic_Progress_Rate

Thanks That is bad enough but I have another question.
Any accurate info on the other problems such as suspensions and arrests ? I guess I am just wondering if we have a situation that is not up to our standards on that front, or the cesspool that some have claimed.

[WVAPPeer]

Unfortunately there are problems in just about every school and it's gotten to the point that coaches have lost some control of the situations - I am not excusing or dismissing happenings off the field/court, however in the past when things happened (prior to instant news and social media) there was often time to defuse the situation. Example = while I was a coach I had 2 players get into a knock-down drag-out fight. They were best friends and I had a chance to talk to them, work it out and handle it internally - That wouldn't happen today, it would be posted, videoed, whatever and quickly it would have been out of my hands. I have a really close friend who is a head coach at a BCS school. He's a great guy and coach and doesn't put up with crap but here's an example from him = He had a player (in offseason) who got into an argument with his roommate and slugged the guy (think it was over a girl - what else). Someone got it on video and the player was arrested before his coach even knew about it --- Is one guy punching another in college a big deal? - Didn't use to be but now it's in the news the next day --- Tough to keep a completely problem-free program these days ---
(Again, this does not excuse the act - and I have no use for a player who abuses a female in any way)!!!

[bcoach]

Unfortunately there are problems in just about every school and it's gotten to the point that coaches have lost some control of the situations - I am not excusing or dismissing happenings off the field/court, however in the past when things happened (prior to instant news and social media) there was often time to defuse the situation. Example = while I was a coach I had 2 players get into a knock-down drag-out fight. They were best friends and I had a chance to talk to them, work it out and handle it internally - That wouldn't happen today, it would be posted, videoed, whatever and quickly it would have been out of my hands. I have a really close friend who is a head coach at a BCS school. He's a great guy and coach and doesn't put up with crap but here's an example from him = He had a player (in offseason) who got into an argument with his roommate and slugged the guy (think it was over a girl - what else). Someone got it on video and the player was arrested before his coach even knew about it --- Is one guy punching another in college a big deal? - Didn't use to be but now it's in the news the next day --- Tough to keep a completely problem-free program these days ---
(Again, this does not excuse the act - and I have no use for a player who abuses a female in any way)!!!

I understand, and that is why I am wondering just what our problems have been. I am a zero tolerance kind of guy but probably 99% of programs have some problems and I understand that. These problems start well before they get to the collage level. There are also minor scrapes as you say that just get blown out of proportion.