Predict the next coach thread

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Re: Predict the next coach thread

Unread post by EastHallApp » Mon Feb 03, 2014 9:36 am

asu66 wrote:That could seriously complicate the search for a new head coach. Who wants to coach a Sunbelt team that can only offer 10 or 11 scholarships for the next 3 to 5 years?
Has anyone ever received scholarship reductions over that long a period for APR? I thought it was typically a one-year penalty, though I'm not positive about that.

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Re: Predict the next coach thread

Unread post by Maddog1956 » Mon Feb 03, 2014 9:44 am

We should be extra careful attacking or spreading false witness on big financial contributor if we want more. I know nothing about MH, but being a contributor shouldn't automatically set you up for attack. If something is proven, sure why not.


I understand the sharing part and keeping everyone informed, but I'd just hate to see the big donors remove their support because it just brings them pain. Especially in a small town like Boone and I especially a person with kids. What's just "shooting the bull" can destroy a kid, that could be reading and hearing it.

Sorry for my moment of being PC.
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Re: Predict the next coach thread

Unread post by kickass143 » Mon Feb 03, 2014 12:23 pm

How bout Bobby Cremins!!!!

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Re: Predict the next coach thread

Unread post by asu66 » Mon Feb 03, 2014 12:29 pm

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asu66 wrote:That could seriously complicate the search for a new head coach. Who wants to coach a Sunbelt team that can only offer 10 or 11 scholarships for the next 3 to 5 years?
Has anyone ever received scholarship reductions over that long a period for APR? I thought it was typically a one-year penalty, though I'm not positive about that.
This is one of those situations that requires a staff of attorneys and paralegals to keep you between the ditches. It appears that a program that has gone completely off the rails can be assessed an immediate 10% scholarship reduction for each year that the program fails to meet the minimum APR standard. In addition, such an institution can face the loss of post season play eligibility, loss of practice time; and even temporary loss of "full membership" in the NCAA. If you'll recall, one of NC A&T football's penalties was the complete loss of spring practice plus loss of scholarships. (Don't ask me how they managed to beat us. I don't wanna go there!) :shock:

Ten percent of a program's men's basketball scholarships is 1.3; You can easily take away one full grant--but I'm not sure how the fraction could be taken away. Partial scholarships are not permitted in Division I basketball.

In football, for instance, GaSouth knows how it works. :D Ten percent of an FCS FB program's grants is a quick and clean six (6) rounded down. That hurts in a hurry.
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Re: Predict the next coach thread

Unread post by asu66 » Mon Feb 03, 2014 12:37 pm

asu66 wrote:
EastHallApp wrote:
asu66 wrote:That could seriously complicate the search for a new head coach. Who wants to coach a Sunbelt team that can only offer 10 or 11 scholarships for the next 3 to 5 years?
Has anyone ever received scholarship reductions over that long a period for APR? I thought it was typically a one-year penalty, though I'm not positive about that.
This is one of those situations that requires a staff of attorneys and paralegals to keep you between the ditches. It appears that a program that has gone completely off the rails can be assessed an immediate 10% scholarship reduction for each year that the program fails to meet the minimum APR standard. In addition, such an institution can face the loss of post season play eligibility, loss of practice time; and even temporary loss of "full membership" in the NCAA. If you'll recall, one of NC A&T football's penalties was the complete loss of spring practice plus loss of scholarships. (Don't ask me how they managed to beat us. I don't wanna go there!) :shock:

Ten percent of a program's men's basketball scholarships is 1.3; You can easily take away one full grant--but I'm not sure how the fraction could be taken away. Partial scholarships are not permitted in Division I basketball. I suppose a heavy-handed NCAA could round that 1.3 all the way up to 2 full grants. And in the most recent NCAA rules, there is no appeal!

In football, for instance, GaSouth knows how it works. :D Ten percent of an FCS FB program's grants is a quick and clean six (6) rounded down. That hurts in a hurry.
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Re: Predict the next coach thread

Unread post by JCline0429 » Mon Feb 03, 2014 12:41 pm

kickass143 wrote:How bout Bobby Cremins!!!!

Bobby's health is not good if you were by any chance being serious.
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Re: Predict the next coach thread

Unread post by asu66 » Mon Feb 03, 2014 1:06 pm

I was being serious; and I'm aware of his health issues. Not good. I'm also concerned about Coach Light. It's really scary how he's aged in recent years. It hasn't been that long since he was active on the seniors tennis circuit. And winning as usual.

Speaking of tennis--Bobby C & Carolyn bought property at Hilton Head so he could play tennis year-round. So his health put a wrench in that plan. Sad.

We're all dangling by a tiny thread that could break at any time. Life is precious--and short.

Godspeed to BobbyC and BobbyL! :!: :!: :!: :!: :!: Would be hard to find two better men or two better friends. They are very close. BobL was BobbyC's mentor way back in the mid to late 70s. BobbyC will be forever grateful.
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Re: Predict the next coach thread

Unread post by WataugaMan » Mon Feb 03, 2014 1:08 pm

Maddog1956 wrote:We should be extra careful attacking or spreading false witness on big financial contributor if we want more. I know nothing about MH, but being a contributor shouldn't automatically set you up for attack. If something is proven, sure why not.


I understand the sharing part and keeping everyone informed, but I'd just hate to see the big donors remove their support because it just brings them pain. Especially in a small town like Boone and I especially a person with kids. What's just "shooting the bull" can destroy a kid, that could be reading and hearing it.

Sorry for my moment of being PC.
I'm sorry for my "carbohydrate" comment, as far as I know MH is a good man, and probably is. I don't know if MH had the control some say in the selection of Capel. But, if he did that's a shame. I don't care how much he donates, nobody should have that kind of control. Things of this nature will drive a wedge between the "common folk" and the University and I don't beleive that's a healthy thing.

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Re: Predict the next coach thread

Unread post by asu66 » Mon Feb 03, 2014 1:24 pm

Maddog1956 wrote:We should be extra careful attacking or spreading false witness on big financial contributor if we want more. I know nothing about MH, but being a contributor shouldn't automatically set you up for attack. If something is proven, sure why not.


I understand the sharing part and keeping everyone informed, but I'd just hate to see the big donors remove their support because it just brings them pain. Especially in a small town like Boone and I especially a person with kids. What's just "shooting the bull" can destroy a kid, that could be reading and hearing it.

Sorry for my moment of being PC.
No apology necessary. I believe my little summary is a more kind and more gentle account than has ever appeared on this forum or the old Delphi forum. No one wants to cause trouble or heartache for anyone. It is what it is. It's just that two versions of the story are in wide and continuous circulation--and only a small handful of people know what really transpired. Whatever it was; it certainly didn't work. Maybe the principals involved have learned a lesson. We can hope; and we'll find out in the next 45 days (if any lessons have been internalized).
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Re: Predict the next coach thread

Unread post by Maddog1956 » Mon Feb 03, 2014 1:31 pm

WataugaMan wrote:
Maddog1956 wrote:We should be extra careful attacking or spreading false witness on big financial contributor if we want more. I know nothing about MH, but being a contributor shouldn't automatically set you up for attack. If something is proven, sure why not.


I understand the sharing part and keeping everyone informed, but I'd just hate to see the big donors remove their support because it just brings them pain. Especially in a small town like Boone and I especially a person with kids. What's just "shooting the bull" can destroy a kid, that could be reading and hearing it.

Sorry for my moment of being PC.
I'm sorry for my "carbohydrate" comment, as far as I know MH is a good man, and probably is. I don't know if MH had the control some say in the selection of Capel. But, if he did that's a shame. I don't care how much he donates, nobody should have that kind of control. Things of this nature will drive a wedge between the "common folk" and the University and I don't beleive that's a healthy thing.
I agree, I don't think supporters should have that much influence either, but everyone listens to someone, friends, family, etc. If an AD hires someone because he took bad advice from anyone he is responsible as far as I'm concerned. That speaks more against the AD then the one giving the advice (I give advice all the time but that doesn't mean anyone acts on it, lol).

Also don't get me wrong, I do like hearing the local take on topics here, not living in Boone I wouldn't know what the locals are say otherwise. It's just that I hear that we need more big donors, but becoming ones seems to put a target on your their back. The saying "no good deed goes unpunished" comes to mind.
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Re: Predict the next coach thread

Unread post by EastHallApp » Mon Feb 03, 2014 1:49 pm

Maddog1956 wrote: If an AD hires someone because he took bad advice from anyone he is responsible as far as I'm concerned. That speaks more against the AD then the one giving the advice (I give advice all the time but that doesn't mean anyone acts on it, lol).

Also don't get me wrong, I do like hearing the local take on topics here, not living in Boone I wouldn't know what the locals are say otherwise. It's just that I hear that we need more big donors, but becoming ones seems to put a target on your their back. The saying "no good deed goes unpunished" comes to mind.
Completely agree with both of these points. Do people think App is the only school where big donors try to have outsized influence on decisions? Just a few weeks ago there was a billionaire Texas booster who was publicly complaining about the hiring of Charlie Strong and said he would have been a better choice as a position coach. It's up to the AD to manage those egos while making the best decisions for the department.

And on the second point - we should appreciate anyone who supports the school and athletic department, especially at that level. We aren't going to agree all of the time, but nothing good will come of sniping at major donors.

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Re: Predict the next coach thread

Unread post by asu66 » Mon Feb 03, 2014 1:50 pm

Maddog1956 wrote:
Also don't get me wrong, I do like hearing the local take on topics here, not living in Boone I wouldn't know what the locals are say otherwise. It's just that I hear that we need more big donors, but becoming ones seems to put a target on your their back. The saying "no good deed goes unpunished" comes to mind.
Fair point, well taken. :)
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Re: Predict the next coach thread

Unread post by WataugaMan » Mon Feb 03, 2014 1:53 pm

"I do like hearing the local take on topics here, not living in Boone I wouldn't know what the locals are say otherwise."


I live in the DC Metro area, however, my entire family still resides in Watauga County. Our local roots go all the way back to the Pre-Civil War Era. Anyway, most of what I hear from family members is a general displeasure over the "big doner calls the shots" thing, as well as the Jerry Moore thing. They feel we (fans, alumni, students, etc.) have been pulled apart into two opposing camps. Once again, not good.

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Re: Predict the next coach thread

Unread post by Maddog1956 » Mon Feb 03, 2014 2:31 pm

WataugaMan wrote:"I do like hearing the local take on topics here, not living in Boone I wouldn't know what the locals are say otherwise."


I live in the DC Metro area, however, my entire family still resides in Watauga County. Our local roots go all the way back to the Pre-Civil War Era. Anyway, most of what I hear from family members is a general displeasure over the "big doner calls the shots" thing, as well as the Jerry Moore thing. They feel we (fans, alumni, students, etc.) have been pulled apart into two opposing camps. Once again, not good.

I thought they were still mad that it went CoEd! :D

Just kidding, but when I was painting houses during the summer I did have an older timer tell me that it "use to be a pretty good little school. Boys and girls had their own dorms and students had to be in their rooms at 9 PM. Now it's just a mess". He may have added that they're all going to hell too but i can't remember for sure. That was back in the early 80's, can't guess what he'd think now.
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Re: Predict the next coach thread

Unread post by wataugan03 » Mon Feb 03, 2014 5:35 pm

If Wendell Murphy wants to give all his money to us instead of NC State he can have some power. I don't think we have any boosters who give enough to have serious influence.

And if boosters are going to have influence there should at least be a group that has influence - a big enough group that there is a diversity of opinion (which would effectively minimize the influence). If you're only going to have 1 (or 2 or 3) with serious power they better be making a gigantic impact on your budget.

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Re: Predict the next coach thread

Unread post by WataugaMan » Mon Feb 03, 2014 5:42 pm

"He may have added that they're all going to hell too but i can't remember for sure"

That's probably because he didn't. By the way, I attended in the early 80s, we had a blast for sure.

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Re: Predict the next coach thread

Unread post by appgrouch » Tue Feb 04, 2014 7:09 am

wataugan03 wrote:If Wendell Murphy wants to give all his money to us instead of NC State he can have some power. I don't think we have any boosters who give enough to have serious influence.

And if boosters are going to have influence there should at least be a group that has influence - a big enough group that there is a diversity of opinion (which would effectively minimize the influence). If you're only going to have 1 (or 2 or 3) with serious power they better be making a gigantic impact on your budget.
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