• Portal season (Abson, Spillers, etc)

Posted: **Fri Apr 12, 2024 12:01 pm**

AppStFan1 wrote: ↑
Fri Apr 12, 2024 11:45 am

AppSt94 wrote: ↑
Fri Apr 12, 2024 10:44 am
I understand that NIL is a problem and it is easy to assume that these kids are making the decisions to leave. Keep in mind that isn’t always the case and sometimes these decisions to leave are encouraged for the betterment of everyone.
That is true and I believe many are thinking their playing days are done but put their name in to see if someone offers them a scholarship. This is not the case with Harcum, Spillers, Abson, etc. I view them the same way. I just don't follow closely to see how their careers go when they leave.

Well, I’m talking about guys that don’t buy into the system and refuse to stick to the game plans. When you are trying to build a team, you can’t have any me’s.

Posted: **Fri Apr 12, 2024 12:06 pm**

Norchad Omier is an interesting comparison to our guys. He played 2 years at Arkansas State and transfered to Miami. His stats and minutes in his first 2 years at ASU were pretty similar to his 2 years at Miami, although his FT% and 3pt% increased steadily all 4 years. He's projected as a second round pick in the draft this year. Omier is better offensively but Abson is a better defender.

Posted: **Fri Apr 12, 2024 12:15 pm**

AppSt94 wrote: ↑
Fri Apr 12, 2024 12:01 pm

AppStFan1 wrote: ↑
Fri Apr 12, 2024 11:45 am

AppSt94 wrote: ↑
Fri Apr 12, 2024 10:44 am
I understand that NIL is a problem and it is easy to assume that these kids are making the decisions to leave. Keep in mind that isn’t always the case and sometimes these decisions to leave are encouraged for the betterment of everyone.
That is true and I believe many are thinking their playing days are done but put their name in to see if someone offers them a scholarship. This is not the case with Harcum, Spillers, Abson, etc. I view them the same way. I just don't follow closely to see how their careers go when they leave.
Well, I’m talking about guys that don’t buy into the system and refuse to stick to the game plans. When you are trying to build a team, you can’t have any me’s.

I thought you were just talking about playing time but definitely are some that coaches feel need to go to help the locker room. You need team players and some guys are all about the "me" as you said. I have complete faith in Kerns to rebuild what we lost for whatever reasons.

Posted: **Fri Apr 12, 2024 12:48 pm**

AppStFan1 wrote: ↑
Fri Apr 12, 2024 12:15 pm

AppSt94 wrote: ↑
Fri Apr 12, 2024 12:01 pm

AppStFan1 wrote: ↑
Fri Apr 12, 2024 11:45 am

AppSt94 wrote: ↑
Fri Apr 12, 2024 10:44 am
I understand that NIL is a problem and it is easy to assume that these kids are making the decisions to leave. Keep in mind that isn’t always the case and sometimes these decisions to leave are encouraged for the betterment of everyone.
That is true and I believe many are thinking their playing days are done but put their name in to see if someone offers them a scholarship. This is not the case with Harcum, Spillers, Abson, etc. I view them the same way. I just don't follow closely to see how their careers go when they leave.
Well, I’m talking about guys that don’t buy into the system and refuse to stick to the game plans. When you are trying to build a team, you can’t have any me’s.
I thought you were just talking about playing time but definitely are some that coaches feel need to go to help the locker room. You need team players and some guys are all about the "me" as you said. I have complete faith in Kerns to rebuild what we lost for whatever reasons.

I was just speaking in general. There will always be a multitude of reasons why guys leave. We can’t just assume that they all fit into one box. We as fans don’t know a tenth of what goes on most of the time. What we see as a departure from our vantage point can seems bad, but if you speak with people that see the behind the scenes stuff then it might surprise you how often that tone on said departure could shift. I had a chance to speak with Coach Kerns last night. Not going to get into specifics but I asked him a coaching question and the decision making behind it and he gave me more than I bargained for in his answer. It helped me understand why decisions to transfer are often made outside of NIL.

Posted: **Fri Apr 12, 2024 12:56 pm**

spacemonkey wrote: ↑
Thu Apr 11, 2024 5:08 pm
A hospital in Hickory with a big Block A followed by ppalchian State Medical Center would go a long way to providing NIL money. Just saying.

ECU had a medical school. For that matter so does ETSU. Do you think we are behind them?

Posted: **Fri Apr 12, 2024 1:35 pm**

In general the NIL is a net negative for mid-major/G5 programs.

Posted: **Fri Apr 12, 2024 1:49 pm**

appgrad95&97 wrote: ↑
Fri Apr 12, 2024 12:56 pm

spacemonkey wrote: ↑
Thu Apr 11, 2024 5:08 pm
A hospital in Hickory with a big Block A followed by ppalchian State Medical Center would go a long way to providing NIL money. Just saying.
ECU had a medical school. For that matter so does ETSU. Do you think we are behind them?

Not an opinion...fact. East Carolina at 60 million we are at 38 million.

Total Revenues FBS 2022-2023 EADA
American Athetic
Central Florida........$88,199,644
SMU......................$86,044,162
Houston................$84,023,065
Cincinnati..............$77,436,016
South Florida.........$70,344,509
Temple.................$68,819,131
Memphis...............$64,332,894
East Carolina.........$60,875,612
Tulsa....................$46,552,301
Tulane..................$43,392,842

Atlantic Coast
Notre Dame........$224,191,928
Florida State.......$170,434,508
Miami................$159,633,958
Louisville............$155,191,814
Duke.................$152,509,818
Clemson.............$152,093,316
North Carolina.....$137,918,817
Pittsburgh...........$136,704,076
Virginia Tech........$129,705,818
Virginia...............$125,968,540
NC State.............$121,444,506
Boston College.....$118,430,392
Georgia Tech........$115,654,077
Syracuse..............$113,510,249
Wake Forest............$97,298,475

Big Ten
Ohio State............$249,698,974
Michigan..............$206,514,688
Penn State...........$201,533,972
Nebraska.............$197,009,548
Wisconsin............$190,554,690
Iowa...................$166,886,577
Michigan State......$149,254,610
Indiana................$143,221,485
Minnesota............$136,614,891
Illinois.................$134,767,269
Rutgers...............$130,221,793
Purdue................$124,290,313
Maryland.............$121,183,392
Northwestern.......$117,587,514

Big Twelve
Texas..................$261,353,404
Kansas................$205,747,275
Oklahoma............$183,919,881
TCU....................$149,297,918
Baylor.................$137,460,582
Texas Tech...........$123,551,688
Oklahoma State....$119,235,776
West Virginia........$103,142,400
Kansas State........$102,332,761
Iowa State.............$93,048,114

Conference USA
Rice..........................$51,832,652
North Texas...............$50,339,520
Texas-San Antonio......$44,777,300
UAB..........................$42,530,724
Florida International....$41,445,861
Florida Atlantic............$39,202,450
NC-Charlotte...............$38,472,125
Middle Tennessee.........$35,578,198
Texas-El Paso..............$30,697,874
Louisiana Tech.............$27,808,448
Western Kentucky........$25,400,653

Independents
BYU......................$106,430,702
UCONN...................$83,120,168
Liberty....................$62,539,066
UMASS....................$47,604,239
New Mexico State......$35,828,331

Mid-American
Western Michigan.......$40,804,290
Miami.......................$39,126,336
Central Michigan........$35,740,895
Eastern Michigan........$35,555,897
Toledo.......................$34,919,422
Kent State.................$33,308,164
Buffalo......................$30,478,190
Bowling Green............$30,310,123
Ohio..........................$30,138,630
Ball State...................$28,979,328
Akron........................$28,265,821
Northern Illinois..........$24,692,669

Mountain West
San Diego State..........$96,611,757
Colorado State............$61,535,599
UNLV..........................$57,517,603
Boise State.................$52,634,912
Fresno State...............$51,120,332
Hawaii........................$50,588,554
Nevada.......................$49,524,849
Wyoming....................$47,746,153
New Mexico.................$46,655,963
Utah State...................$45,575,192
San Jose State.............$43,937,589

PAC Twelve
USC.....................$212,013,703
Stanford...............$179,645,688
Washington...........$154,849,477
UCLA....................$141,964,728
Arizona.................$138,761,638
Colorado...............$136,114,468
California..............$134,872,865
Oregon.................$132,359,145
Arizona State.........$128,265,591
Utah.....................$111,483,459
Oregon State...........$97,792,784
Washington State.....$79,015,052

Southeastern
Georgia................$210,108,069
LSU.....................$200,476,979
Texas A&M............$194,254,820
Auburn.................$192,658,903
Tennessee.............$191,271,254
Alabama...............$191,190,486
Florida..................$176,795,879
Arkansas...............$170,990,473
Kentucky...............$166,423,002
South Carolina.......$160,420,147
Mississippi.............$136,764,296
Vanderbilt..............$125,133,666
Missouri.................$124,293,939
Mississippi State......$115,664,788

Sun Belt
James Madison..........$57,767,541
Old Dominion............$48,623,590
Marshall...................$43,778,074
Texas State...............$42,700,888
Louisiana..................$38,961,026
Appalachian State......$38,816,356
Georgia State............$38,421,792
Coastal Carolina.........$38,153,878
Georgia Southern.......$35,614,506
Troy..........................$28,800,917
South Alabama...........$28,658,603
Southern Mississippi....$27,676,039
Arkansas State...........$24,654,674
Louisiana-Monroe........$18,518,405

Posted: **Fri Apr 12, 2024 2:13 pm**

spacemonkey wrote: ↑
Fri Apr 12, 2024 1:49 pm

appgrad95&97 wrote: ↑
Fri Apr 12, 2024 12:56 pm

spacemonkey wrote: ↑
Thu Apr 11, 2024 5:08 pm
A hospital in Hickory with a big Block A followed by ppalchian State Medical Center would go a long way to providing NIL money. Just saying.
ECU had a medical school. For that matter so does ETSU. Do you think we are behind them?
Not an opinion...fact. East Carolina at 60 million we are at 38 million.

Total Revenues FBS 2022-2023 EADA
American Athetic
Central Florida........$88,199,644
SMU......................$86,044,162
Houston................$84,023,065
Cincinnati..............$77,436,016
South Florida.........$70,344,509
Temple.................$68,819,131
Memphis...............$64,332,894
East Carolina.........$60,875,612
Tulsa....................$46,552,301
Tulane..................$43,392,842

Atlantic Coast
Notre Dame........$224,191,928
Florida State.......$170,434,508
Miami................$159,633,958
Louisville............$155,191,814
Duke.................$152,509,818
Clemson.............$152,093,316
North Carolina.....$137,918,817
Pittsburgh...........$136,704,076
Virginia Tech........$129,705,818
Virginia...............$125,968,540
NC State.............$121,444,506
Boston College.....$118,430,392
Georgia Tech........$115,654,077
Syracuse..............$113,510,249
Wake Forest............$97,298,475

Big Ten
Ohio State............$249,698,974
Michigan..............$206,514,688
Penn State...........$201,533,972
Nebraska.............$197,009,548
Wisconsin............$190,554,690
Iowa...................$166,886,577
Michigan State......$149,254,610
Indiana................$143,221,485
Minnesota............$136,614,891
Illinois.................$134,767,269
Rutgers...............$130,221,793
Purdue................$124,290,313
Maryland.............$121,183,392
Northwestern.......$117,587,514

Big Twelve
Texas..................$261,353,404
Kansas................$205,747,275
Oklahoma............$183,919,881
TCU....................$149,297,918
Baylor.................$137,460,582
Texas Tech...........$123,551,688
Oklahoma State....$119,235,776
West Virginia........$103,142,400
Kansas State........$102,332,761
Iowa State.............$93,048,114

Conference USA
Rice..........................$51,832,652
North Texas...............$50,339,520
Texas-San Antonio......$44,777,300
UAB..........................$42,530,724
Florida International....$41,445,861
Florida Atlantic............$39,202,450
NC-Charlotte...............$38,472,125
Middle Tennessee.........$35,578,198
Texas-El Paso..............$30,697,874
Louisiana Tech.............$27,808,448
Western Kentucky........$25,400,653

Independents
BYU......................$106,430,702
UCONN...................$83,120,168
Liberty....................$62,539,066
UMASS....................$47,604,239
New Mexico State......$35,828,331

Mid-American
Western Michigan.......$40,804,290
Miami.......................$39,126,336
Central Michigan........$35,740,895
Eastern Michigan........$35,555,897
Toledo.......................$34,919,422
Kent State.................$33,308,164
Buffalo......................$30,478,190
Bowling Green............$30,310,123
Ohio..........................$30,138,630
Ball State...................$28,979,328
Akron........................$28,265,821
Northern Illinois..........$24,692,669

Mountain West
San Diego State..........$96,611,757
Colorado State............$61,535,599
UNLV..........................$57,517,603
Boise State.................$52,634,912
Fresno State...............$51,120,332
Hawaii........................$50,588,554
Nevada.......................$49,524,849
Wyoming....................$47,746,153
New Mexico.................$46,655,963
Utah State...................$45,575,192
San Jose State.............$43,937,589

PAC Twelve
USC.....................$212,013,703
Stanford...............$179,645,688
Washington...........$154,849,477
UCLA....................$141,964,728
Arizona.................$138,761,638
Colorado...............$136,114,468
California..............$134,872,865
Oregon.................$132,359,145
Arizona State.........$128,265,591
Utah.....................$111,483,459
Oregon State...........$97,792,784
Washington State.....$79,015,052

Southeastern
Georgia................$210,108,069
LSU.....................$200,476,979
Texas A&M............$194,254,820
Auburn.................$192,658,903
Tennessee.............$191,271,254
Alabama...............$191,190,486
Florida..................$176,795,879
Arkansas...............$170,990,473
Kentucky...............$166,423,002
South Carolina.......$160,420,147
Mississippi.............$136,764,296
Vanderbilt..............$125,133,666
Missouri.................$124,293,939
Mississippi State......$115,664,788

Sun Belt
James Madison..........$57,767,541
Old Dominion............$48,623,590
Marshall...................$43,778,074
Texas State...............$42,700,888
Louisiana..................$38,961,026
Appalachian State......$38,816,356
Georgia State............$38,421,792
Coastal Carolina.........$38,153,878
Georgia Southern.......$35,614,506
Troy..........................$28,800,917
South Alabama...........$28,658,603
Southern Mississippi....$27,676,039
Arkansas State...........$24,654,674
Louisiana-Monroe........$18,518,405

I really don't understand your point at all. Clemson doesn't have a law school or a med school and are at $152 million. Georgia State has a law school and is just behind us.

Posted: **Fri Apr 12, 2024 2:24 pm**

spacemonkey wrote: ↑
Fri Apr 12, 2024 1:49 pm

appgrad95&97 wrote: ↑
Fri Apr 12, 2024 12:56 pm

spacemonkey wrote: ↑
Thu Apr 11, 2024 5:08 pm
A hospital in Hickory with a big Block A followed by ppalchian State Medical Center would go a long way to providing NIL money. Just saying.
ECU had a medical school. For that matter so does ETSU. Do you think we are behind them?
Not an opinion...fact. East Carolina at 60 million we are at 38 million.

Total Revenues FBS 2022-2023 EADA
American Athetic
Central Florida........$88,199,644
SMU......................$86,044,162
Houston................$84,023,065
Cincinnati..............$77,436,016
South Florida.........$70,344,509
Temple.................$68,819,131
Memphis...............$64,332,894
East Carolina.........$60,875,612
Tulsa....................$46,552,301
Tulane..................$43,392,842

Atlantic Coast
Notre Dame........$224,191,928
Florida State.......$170,434,508
Miami................$159,633,958
Louisville............$155,191,814
Duke.................$152,509,818
Clemson.............$152,093,316
North Carolina.....$137,918,817
Pittsburgh...........$136,704,076
Virginia Tech........$129,705,818
Virginia...............$125,968,540
NC State.............$121,444,506
Boston College.....$118,430,392
Georgia Tech........$115,654,077
Syracuse..............$113,510,249
Wake Forest............$97,298,475

Big Ten
Ohio State............$249,698,974
Michigan..............$206,514,688
Penn State...........$201,533,972
Nebraska.............$197,009,548
Wisconsin............$190,554,690
Iowa...................$166,886,577
Michigan State......$149,254,610
Indiana................$143,221,485
Minnesota............$136,614,891
Illinois.................$134,767,269
Rutgers...............$130,221,793
Purdue................$124,290,313
Maryland.............$121,183,392
Northwestern.......$117,587,514

Big Twelve
Texas..................$261,353,404
Kansas................$205,747,275
Oklahoma............$183,919,881
TCU....................$149,297,918
Baylor.................$137,460,582
Texas Tech...........$123,551,688
Oklahoma State....$119,235,776
West Virginia........$103,142,400
Kansas State........$102,332,761
Iowa State.............$93,048,114

Conference USA
Rice..........................$51,832,652
North Texas...............$50,339,520
Texas-San Antonio......$44,777,300
UAB..........................$42,530,724
Florida International....$41,445,861
Florida Atlantic............$39,202,450
NC-Charlotte...............$38,472,125
Middle Tennessee.........$35,578,198
Texas-El Paso..............$30,697,874
Louisiana Tech.............$27,808,448
Western Kentucky........$25,400,653

Independents
BYU......................$106,430,702
UCONN...................$83,120,168
Liberty....................$62,539,066
UMASS....................$47,604,239
New Mexico State......$35,828,331

Mid-American
Western Michigan.......$40,804,290
Miami.......................$39,126,336
Central Michigan........$35,740,895
Eastern Michigan........$35,555,897
Toledo.......................$34,919,422
Kent State.................$33,308,164
Buffalo......................$30,478,190
Bowling Green............$30,310,123
Ohio..........................$30,138,630
Ball State...................$28,979,328
Akron........................$28,265,821
Northern Illinois..........$24,692,669

Mountain West
San Diego State..........$96,611,757
Colorado State............$61,535,599
UNLV..........................$57,517,603
Boise State.................$52,634,912
Fresno State...............$51,120,332
Hawaii........................$50,588,554
Nevada.......................$49,524,849
Wyoming....................$47,746,153
New Mexico.................$46,655,963
Utah State...................$45,575,192
San Jose State.............$43,937,589

PAC Twelve
USC.....................$212,013,703
Stanford...............$179,645,688
Washington...........$154,849,477
UCLA....................$141,964,728
Arizona.................$138,761,638
Colorado...............$136,114,468
California..............$134,872,865
Oregon.................$132,359,145
Arizona State.........$128,265,591
Utah.....................$111,483,459
Oregon State...........$97,792,784
Washington State.....$79,015,052

Southeastern
Georgia................$210,108,069
LSU.....................$200,476,979
Texas A&M............$194,254,820
Auburn.................$192,658,903
Tennessee.............$191,271,254
Alabama...............$191,190,486
Florida..................$176,795,879
Arkansas...............$170,990,473
Kentucky...............$166,423,002
South Carolina.......$160,420,147
Mississippi.............$136,764,296
Vanderbilt..............$125,133,666
Missouri.................$124,293,939
Mississippi State......$115,664,788

Sun Belt
James Madison..........$57,767,541
Old Dominion............$48,623,590
Marshall...................$43,778,074
Texas State...............$42,700,888
Louisiana..................$38,961,026
Appalachian State......$38,816,356
Georgia State............$38,421,792
Coastal Carolina.........$38,153,878
Georgia Southern.......$35,614,506
Troy..........................$28,800,917
South Alabama...........$28,658,603
Southern Mississippi....$27,676,039
Arkansas State...........$24,654,674
Louisiana-Monroe........$18,518,405

I’m not sure of the relevance of this data. The premise of having a professional school is that it would help with donations because of the higher earnings. ECUs overall athletic budget is higher but we are talking about donations. How much of their overall budget is donor related?

Posted: **Fri Apr 12, 2024 2:25 pm**

Although it would certainly be an honor if App had schools of law/medicine, that isn’t necessarily what we need.

What we need is for more tight-fisted alums to divert some of their nickels & dimes from Starbucks/Vape Shop to App State Athletics.

Many here donate to MAF, 3333 & TIGMA, so thanks to all who support our players & programs. But how many of our “rabid fans” spend $50-$75/week on coffee, but cry poverty when it comes to helping App maintain our winning momentum?

Posted: **Fri Apr 12, 2024 2:27 pm**

Saint3333 wrote: ↑
Fri Apr 12, 2024 8:05 am
Am I the only one that isn't going to pull for players when they leave App? I'm not rooting against them, but I don't feel any lingering ties to a player that transfer.

I'll caveat that with the exception of grad transfers.

I'll always wish a grad well and I don't begrudge a guy that doesn't get much/any playing time here looking to get on the field somewhere. I won't pull for anyone that has a major role here and leaves because he thinks he's now better than us or is just chasing money. Go do you, but I'm not wishing you well.

Posted: **Fri Apr 12, 2024 3:20 pm**

Some UGA insiders think Abson is “on the dotted line”. Abson taking his visit during G day (Spring football game) might seal it.

Posted: **Fri Apr 12, 2024 4:39 pm**

311neers wrote: ↑
Fri Apr 12, 2024 3:20 pm
Some UGA insiders think Abson is “on the dotted line”. Abson taking his visit during G day (Spring football game) might seal it.

I could see why they say that but Miami has contacted him also and he’s from South Florida, isn’t he?

Posted: **Fri Apr 12, 2024 4:45 pm**

NattyBumppo'sRevenge wrote: ↑
Fri Apr 12, 2024 4:39 pm

311neers wrote: ↑
Fri Apr 12, 2024 3:20 pm
Some UGA insiders think Abson is “on the dotted line”. Abson taking his visit during G day (Spring football game) might seal it.
I could see why they say that but Miami has contacted him also and he’s from South Florida, isn’t he?

Correct. Miami would also make sense. He is currently on a visit in Athens. Haven’t heard if Miami has landed a visit or not.

Posted: **Fri Apr 12, 2024 8:25 pm**

Bootsy wrote: ↑
Fri Apr 12, 2024 2:25 pm
Many here donate to MAF, 3333 & TIGMA, so thanks to all who support our players & programs. But how many of our “rabid fans” spend $50-$75/week on coffee, but cry poverty when it comes to helping App maintain our winning momentum?

If someone is spending that much just on coffee for themselves when workplaces usually provide it for free, they got bigger issues.

Posted: **Fri Apr 12, 2024 8:40 pm**

T-Dog wrote: ↑
Fri Apr 12, 2024 8:25 pm

Bootsy wrote: ↑
Fri Apr 12, 2024 2:25 pm
Many here donate to MAF, 3333 & TIGMA, so thanks to all who support our players & programs. But how many of our “rabid fans” spend $50-$75/week on coffee, but cry poverty when it comes to helping App maintain our winning momentum?
If someone is spending that much just on coffee for themselves when workplaces usually provide it for free, they got bigger issues.

You would be surprised. I am not a coffee drinker...but I see some co-workers bring Starbucks in morning...come in from lunch with an afternoon SB in hand. To each their own..not judging...just saying it happens more than one may think

Posted: **Fri Apr 12, 2024 9:24 pm**

Justin “ who? “

Posted: **Sat Apr 13, 2024 2:47 pm**

Harcum to Murray State .

Posted: **Sat Apr 13, 2024 2:50 pm**

Stonewall wrote: ↑
Sat Apr 13, 2024 2:47 pm
Harcum to Murray State .

Posted: **Sat Apr 13, 2024 2:55 pm**

NattyBumppo'sRevenge wrote: ↑
Sat Apr 13, 2024 2:50 pm

Stonewall wrote: ↑
Sat Apr 13, 2024 2:47 pm
Harcum to Murray State .

I don’t get it. Unless Murray State’s got that much more of a bag than us it’s at most a lateral move with a coach and roster you have no relationship with.

My App-undergrad/Murray-Masters wife gonna be conflicted about this. Harcum was her favorite player this season.

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Re: Portal season (Abson, Spillers, etc)

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Re: Portal season (Abson, Spillers, etc)

Re: Portal season (Abson, Spillers, etc)

Re: Portal season (Abson, Spillers, etc)

Re: Portal season (Abson, Spillers, etc)

Re: Portal season (Abson, Spillers, etc)

Re: Portal season (Abson, Spillers, etc)

Re: Portal season (Abson, Spillers, etc)

Re: Portal season (Abson, Spillers, etc)

Re: Portal season (Abson, Spillers, etc)

Re: Portal season (Abson, Spillers, etc)

Re: Portal season (Abson, Spillers, etc)

Re: Portal season (Abson, Spillers, etc)

Re: Portal season (Abson, Spillers, etc)