Men's Basketball @ A-State

[ASUchipman]

Intersting that a men’s loss gets 43 replies while a women’s victory gets 4.

Sad that the only decent basketball on campus doesn't get much love or fan support.

We went to a Women’s game the week after New Years. It was a great game. My wife and I enjoyed it and we are not big basketball fans.

[8993]

What is Fox’s by year record in games decided by 5 or less. It has to be terrible.

Here's Fox's overall record since starting at App State:
49-85

Here's Fox's record for games decided by 5 points or less:
21-26

Surprisingly enough, Fox has done at least decent in games decided by 5 points or less. Unfortunately, most of the games we lose, we lose by a lot, but most of the games we win, we win by just a few. I think that is pretty telling as to where the coaching is for our men's basketball program. I don't think we have played a fundamentally smart game, nor have we played a very strategic game. Instead, Fox has a few favorites that he tries to push to the front of every game and hope that they bring us a win. That kind of stuff ruins team dynamics and leads us to losing more than winning.

[Yosef84]

I agree about Fox having done an admirable job with the off-court issues that he inherited. He has also done a good job of increasing the talent level. That's why I thought he deserved this year to reap the rewards. Unfortunately, it just hasn't materialized on the court. By all accounts, I think he's a good man and he knows the game. I will not get into bashing, but it is time for App basketball to become relevant again.

[app97]

Shabazz has yet to win a game at the buzzer for us yet Fox calls his number every time....with no set play or screen. I hate it but we gotta make a change now.

yep, and he still thinks that if he drives to the basket at critical times, the refs might call a foul....that has yet to happen, either.

[Stonewall]

Shabazz has yet to win a game at the buzzer for us yet Fox calls his number every time....with no set play or screen. I hate it but we gotta make a change now.

Three years of Groundhog day my friend. It's time.

[AppOrange]

The flagrant call in overtime was horrible. Forrest was going for the ball. Should have been a common foul.

Still, Ronshad got the ball with 10ish seconds left, down one, could have drive to the rim in transition, yet pulled up for a 3. Absolutely befuddling.

To be fair, his foot was on the line

[NattyBumppo'sRevenge]

In Fox's first season, he was 12–17 (9–11 Sun Belt). Currently, he is 5-14 (0-6 Sun Belt). Best win is against 9-10 NCCU. Howard, Milligan, Winston Salem and Mars Hill don't really move the needle much for me. 12 games left to go, needs 7-5 to match overall record for the 1st season, 9-3 to match conference wins the first season.

[AppOrange]

I've been a very big Fox supporter and I favored giving him the extension based on the belief/opinion that we were about the turn the corner and reap the rewards of the past few years. I have to admit that I've conceded that I was wrong and I really think the ship has sailed. We've had bad seasons and stretches in the past but nothing that matches this year in that we have a higher level of talent but seem to be doing worse.

For the record, I acknowledged last year that giving the extension came with a significant risk of having to eat a year of the contract. DG is more savvy than I am, so I have to think this contingency hasn't caught him unprepared.

Sign me up in this camp. Felt he earned the 2 yr extension, but this year has been a disaster/step backwards, so it’s time. I don’t think anyone will want this to continue even if they go on a small run, unless of course they have not been watching. The ship sailed against ECU, and capsized last night blowing that lead (again).

[T-Dog]

The two-year extension.

[EastHallApp]

In Fox's first season, he was 12–17 (9–11 Sun Belt). Currently, he is 5-14 (0-6 Sun Belt). Best win is against 9-10 NCCU. Howard, Milligan, Winston Salem and Mars Hill don't really move the needle much for me. 12 games left to go, needs 7-5 to match overall record for the 1st season, 9-3 to match conference wins the first season.

Not coincidentally, that first year was the one where we won more than our fair share of close games, which made it look like we were better than we probably really were. Those things tend to even out over time.

[asu66]

FWIW, per the review of Fox's most recently amended contract by a member of this forum who has almost unencumbered access, it appears that a buyout of Coach Fox's "deal" (either now or at the end of this season) will cost Appalachian Athletics $200,000 plus the *potential loss* of our three, signed Class of '19 recruits and the possible transfer of some of our better underclassmen. It's a really lousy situation to be in.

[Stonewall]

I believe we have a lot more talent across the board than we did 5 years ago , when we were 9-11 in conference play.One could draw a conclusion from that ...

[Stonewall]

FWIW, per the review of Fox's most recently amended contract by a member of this forum who has almost unencumbered access, it appears that a buyout of Coach Fox's "deal" (either now or at the end of this season) will cost Appalachian Athletics $200,000 plus the *potential loss* of our three, signed Class of '19 recruits and the possible transfer of some of our better underclassmen. It's a really lousy situation to be in.

So much more of a reason to give JA a test drive , starting Sunday.

[Arsenal App]

FWIW, per the review of Fox's most recently amended contract by a member of this forum who has almost unencumbered access, it appears that a buyout of Coach Fox's "deal" (either now or at the end of this season) will cost Appalachian Athletics $200,000 plus the *potential loss* of our three, signed Class of '19 recruits and the possible transfer of some of our better underclassmen. It's a really lousy situation to be in.

With the loss of eight seniors, did anyone really think we were going to be in anything but a rebuilding situation next season? This was supposed to be the year that Fox bought himself some time. A winning season, both overall and in conference, might have bought him another extension and allowed him to ride out the rebuilding.

[Arsenal App]

I believe we have a lot more talent across the board than we did 5 years ago , when we were 9-11 in conference play.One could draw a conclusion from that ...

I'm not so sure about the talent. It's like Bill Parcells (or was it Bill Belichick) said, "You are what your record says you are."

[EastHallApp]

FWIW, per the review of Fox's most recently amended contract by a member of this forum who has almost unencumbered access, it appears that a buyout of Coach Fox's "deal" (either now or at the end of this season) will cost Appalachian Athletics $200,000 plus the *potential loss* of our three, signed Class of '19 recruits and the possible transfer of some of our better underclassmen. It's a really lousy situation to be in.

With the loss of eight seniors, did anyone really think we were going to be in anything but a rebuilding situation next season? This was supposed to be the year that Fox bought himself some time. A winning season, both overall and in conference, might have bought him another extension and allowed him to ride out the rebuilding.

I think just saying "eight seniors" overstates the losses. I count seven seniors (unless Seacat's graduating early), but four of them (Wilson, Hough, Kerley and Ford) don't really play, while Holley plays about 10 minutes per game. T. Johnson is a part-time starter who plays 21 mpg and gives you about 8 and 5.

So really, we're losing Shabazz and a couple role players. And I know there are at least some who feel the offense is too focused on getting Shabazz shots right now. Add in supposedly a couple promising recruits, and I think there was plenty of hope that if this year went as planned, we could continue that momentum next year. But obviously that hasn't happened at all.

[Stonewall]

Again I’m concerned about the impact of these “Ground hog day “ loses on the players. Just as winning becomes a habit , I’m afraid losing does too. And the beat goes on....

[mountaineerman]

Was fox Doug’s hire?

He was not.

Who was it Doug,Beasley or Cobb?

[Arsenal App]

Was fox Doug’s hire?

He was not.

Who was it Doug,Beasley or Cobb?

Prince Charlie Cobb

[Yosef84]

I believe we have a lot more talent across the board than we did 5 years ago , when we were 9-11 in conference play.One could draw a conclusion from that ...

I'm not so sure about the talent. It's like Bill Parcells (or was it Bill Belichick) said, "You are what your record says you are."

That statement is true when assessing a season but not when assessing the talent pool. For example, last season GS was a 2-10 team. That's a fact, but not all 2-10 teams are equal. That was proven by the turn around they showed in a single year in becoming a contender for the conference championship. Different factors create a bad W/L record: Coaching, injuries, missing performance at a key position, etc. Those factors aren't necessarily indicative of the talent level for the other players on the team.

Reducing the talent assessment to the final W/L state is grossly over simplified. I admit, the W/L tally does raise questions, but doesn't answer those questions.