Surprised nobody has mentioned this. Men's Basketball APR Falls to a dangerously low 923 compared to the national average of 952. The year prior to Capel taking over ASU posted a 980 score, that put us in the 30% nationally. Six years ago ASU earned it's second NCAA Public Recognition Awards for scores in the top ten percent with a 991.

Our two lowest APR scores were men's basketball and women's basketball. Though the men's score is much lower.

hapapp wrote:Our two lowest APR scores were men's basketball and women's basketball. Though the men's score is much lower.

hapapp you bust my chops constantly for criticizing Capel but here is a big example of my displeasure with him. Two years ago he started jettisoning players and bringing in "his" guys. Someone who would know these things indicated some of his new guys - mainly the high profile transfers - had shall we say academic profiles far below ASU's standards. Can't wait to see the GPA's of players Capel brought in.

No argument from me on this matter. It needs to improve, no doubt.

At least, we aren't in FIU's shoes.

Consider this...that low APR was accumulated even with the 4.0 GPA of Brian Okam and the 3.99 GPA of Nate Healey. I shudder to think what it will be next year without either of those guys. Methinks that's a HUGE issue going forward!

Not sure how exactly the APR is calculated but players leaving has a negative effect along with team GPA, I believe. Milum and Vilarino come to mind as guys who left between the 2012 and 2013 seasons, which would bring the number down.

Mike Neal's academic ineligibility did damage as well, I'm sure. Okam's departure should not hurt next year's figure since graduated, if I understand correctly.

Either way, this HAS to improve. No excuse for being so low. Don't think the kid from Purdue is going to be an issue there, I believe they were in the top 10% in APR and don't typically have kids who can't cut it in the classroom.

asu66 wrote:Consider this...that low APR was accumulated even with the 4.0 GPA of Brian Okam and the 3.99 GPA of Nate Healey. I shudder to think what it will be next year without either of those guys. Methinks that's a HUGE issue going forward!

No doubt. Even more troubling is the fact academic advisers and certain athletic department personnel know what is going on here. On the surface it appears Capel has been given a lot of leniency to bring in marginal academic recruits. Is Cobb & Company that desperate to make this guy a winner?

asumike83 wrote:Not sure how exactly the APR is calculated

It's a four-year rolling average ending with the year before last. So this year's APR includes Fancher's final year, the year of whatshisface and the first two years of Capel.

The first year of APR was 2004-05 and Fancher's teamscore at 9910 and was in the tp ten percentile nationwide. For his failings, Fancher's team were always academically stable.

Okam and Healy's grades will be included in next year's APR, but after that, watch out. Two years ago, the final scores without a Capel team averaged in had a 970. Last year dropped to 947 with Capel's first years and this year 923 with Capel's second year.

His single year APR scores are 875 and 878. Not good at all.

Here's all the 2011-12 single-year APR scores.

Baseball - 981
MBB - 878
MCXC - 969
Football - 916
MGOLF - 1000
MSOC - 987
MTEN - 967
MIT&F - 920
MOT&F - 946
Wrestling- 967
WBB - 980
WCXC - 1000
FH - 925
WGOLF - 1000
WSOC - 977
Softball - 970
WTEN - 1000
WIT&F - 993
WOT&F - 1000
VOL - 977

T-Dog wrote:

asumike83 wrote:Not sure how exactly the APR is calculated

It's a four-year rolling average ending with the year before last. So this year's APR includes Fancher's final year, the year of whatshisface and the first two years of Capel.

The first year of APR was 2004-05 and Fancher's teamscore at 9910 and was in the tp ten percentile nationwide. For his failings, Fancher's team were always academically stable.

Okam and Healy's grades will be included in next year's APR, but after that, watch out. Two years ago, the final scores without a Capel team averaged in had a 970. Last year dropped to 947 with Capel's first years and this year 923 with Capel's second year.

Here's all the 2011-12 single-year APR scores.

Baseball - 981
MBB - 878
MCXC - 969
Football - 916
MGOLF - 1000
MSOC - 987
MTEN - 967
MIT&F - 920
MOT&F - 946
Wrestling- 967
WBB - 980
WCXC - 1000
FH - 925
WGOLF - 1000
WSOC - 977
Softball - 970
WTEN - 1000
WIT&F - 993
WOT&F - 1000
VOL - 977

38 points lower than football with 50+ more players figuring into the formula. Surprised Field Hockey is that low.

asumike83 wrote:Not sure how exactly the APR is calculated but players leaving has a negative effect along with team GPA, I believe. Milum and Vilarino come to mind as guys who left between the 2012 and 2013 seasons, which would bring the number down.

Mike Neal's academic ineligibility did damage as well, I'm sure. Okam's departure should not hurt next year's figure since graduated, if I understand correctly.

Either way, this HAS to improve. No excuse for being so low. Don't think the kid from Purdue is going to be an issue there, I believe they were in the top 10% in APR and don't typically have kids who can't cut it in the classroom.

GPA doesn't enter into the APR.

A Division I Football Bowl Subdivision team awards the full complement of 85 grants-in-aid. If 80 student-athletes remain in school and academically eligible, three remain in school but are academically ineligible and two drop out academically ineligible, the team earns 163 of 170 possible points for that term. Divide 163 by 170 and multiply by 1,000 to determine that the team’s Academic Progress Rate for that term is 959.

http://www.ncaa.org/wps/wcm/connect/pub ... calculated

Don't we have to get that average above 930 to avoid a postseason ban? It doesn't matter if we get it done on the court, if we have to stay at home.

UConn men's basketball sat out last season's NCAA tourney because of APR.

eggers76 wrote:UConn men's basketball sat out last season's NCAA tourney because of APR.

Don't think that'll be a problem for our bunch.

Kgfish wrote:

eggers76 wrote:UConn men's basketball sat out last season's NCAA tourney because of APR.

Don't think that'll be a problem for our bunch.

You laugh now, but as it stands (if my math holds out) we would need a 1008 APR to get us to the 930 avg to be eligible for NCAA's (and if we don't make that, we may not be in the SB tourney either).
We need a 988 APR to get to 925 avg avoid potential practice and scholarship reductions for the second year under 925.

appgrouch wrote:

Kgfish wrote:

eggers76 wrote:UConn men's basketball sat out last season's NCAA tourney because of APR.

Don't think that'll be a problem for our bunch.

You laugh now, but as it stands (if my math holds out) we would need a 1008 APR to get us to the 930 avg to be eligible for NCAA's (and if we don't make that, we may not be in the SB tourney either).
We need a 988 APR to get to 925 avg avoid potential practice and scholarship reductions for the second year under 925.

I think he meant we aren't likely to make the NCAA tournament regardless of our APR.

hapapp wrote:

appgrouch wrote:

Kgfish wrote:

eggers76 wrote:UConn men's basketball sat out last season's NCAA tourney because of APR.

Don't think that'll be a problem for our bunch.

You laugh now, but as it stands (if my math holds out) we would need a 1008 APR to get us to the 930 avg to be eligible for NCAA's (and if we don't make that, we may not be in the SB tourney either).
We need a 988 APR to get to 925 avg avoid potential practice and scholarship reductions for the second year under 925.

I think he meant we aren't likely to make the NCAA tournament regardless of our APR.

BINGO!

You are missing the point. We have a big problem with MBB and apr far beyond making the tourney.

appgrouch wrote:You are missing the point. We have a big problem with MBB and apr far beyond making the tourney.

No. No one missed the point. Read the entire thread.

appgrouch wrote:You are missing the point. We have a big problem with MBB and apr far beyond making the tourney.

No one is missing anything except you. We know a low APR would cause a loss of scholarships and a post season ban. My laughing comment is me saying a low APR won't matter because this team won't qualify for post season.

I'm doing some pre-emptive data crunching for an article next week. There's so many layers to this APR. Hopefully I'll be able to explain it our clearly.