any insiders have any info on Capel?
any insiders have any info on Capel?
Shocked that no one here is close enough to the situation to let out some hearsay on Capel's future/replacements.
I know that somebody knows something. I'm not talking about fanboys like Big C and tdog. Insiders step up and feed us a nugget.
I know that somebody knows something. I'm not talking about fanboys like Big C and tdog. Insiders step up and feed us a nugget.
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Re: any insiders have any info on Capel?
Just like most things. People who REALLY know are not usually talkers.
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Re: any insiders have any info on Capel?
--------------------------------------------------------asutrnr81 wrote:As it should be!bcoach wrote:Just like most things. People who REALLY know are not usually talkers.
If Jason Capel's contract expires on 3.31.2014 and if he has been officially notified that it won't be renewed (which would be in the best interest of both JC & ASU), then Charlie Cobb would now clearly be seeking to "identify" coaches he'd be interested in talking with when the vacancy is declared to be public information. Charlie knows how to explore these things via sub-channels to maintain confidentiality. Maintaining confidentiality means limiting all info pertaining to this issue to those with an absolute need to know. At this early date, that would be a very, very short list.
With past hiring experiences, mixed successes and high criticism (at least of the Capel "project") as a reminder, Charlie knows what's at stake. Expect him to play his cards very close to his chest.
And as Chip posted earlier; that's also as it should be.
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Re: any insiders have any info on Capel?
Guess I'll keep my mouth shut since my opinion doesn't matter.
In all seriousness, what info is out there to be known about replacing a coach in the middle of the season. All possible suitors better be coaching basketball at a school currently, so they are probably busy. Pretty sure it isn't kosher to make contact with other coaches while they are coaching a team. Plus why would we all but allege tampering regarding Devonte Graham and then turn around and do it ourselves?
I doubt we hear anything until we know who our next chancellor is.
In all seriousness, what info is out there to be known about replacing a coach in the middle of the season. All possible suitors better be coaching basketball at a school currently, so they are probably busy. Pretty sure it isn't kosher to make contact with other coaches while they are coaching a team. Plus why would we all but allege tampering regarding Devonte Graham and then turn around and do it ourselves?
I doubt we hear anything until we know who our next chancellor is.
Re: any insiders have any info on Capel?
Unfortunately, I think you are wrong on both of these points. This thing will be botched one way or another unless the new chancellor is extremely pro-athletics and has prior experience in this matter and can "take over" when needed.asu66 wrote:--------------------------------------------------------asutrnr81 wrote:As it should be!bcoach wrote:Just like most things. People who REALLY know are not usually talkers.
If Charlie knows how to explore these things via sub-channels to maintain confidentiality.
With past hiring experiences, mixed successes and high criticism (at least of the Capel "project") as a reminder, Charlie knows what's at stake.
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"Unfortunately, I think you are wrong on both of these points."
Me? Me, WRONG? Surely you jest.
Me? Me, WRONG? Surely you jest.

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Re: any insiders have any info on Capel?
When it comes to issues of Cobb's incompetence, I joke very little.asu66 wrote:"Unfortunately, I think you are wrong on both of these points."
Me? Me, WRONG? Surely you jest.

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Re: any insiders have any info on Capel?
I have no inside information, but I am nearly positive this is what's happening:
Some coaches have had very brief discussions about the App (and many other jobs) jobs with their agents. Some agents and search firms have tried to tell Cobb why they will be able to get him the right candidate if he is looking. Nothing serious is happening.
Some coaches have had very brief discussions about the App (and many other jobs) jobs with their agents. Some agents and search firms have tried to tell Cobb why they will be able to get him the right candidate if he is looking. Nothing serious is happening.
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Re: any insiders have any info on Capel?
My fanboy opinion is that you can read my blog every Tuesday for the latest updates in the Capel saga. 

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wataugan03 wrote:I have no inside information, but I am nearly positive this is what's happening:
Some coaches have had very brief discussions about the App (and many other jobs) jobs with their agents. Some agents and search firms have tried to tell Cobb why they will be able to get him the right candidate if he is looking. Nothing serious is happening.
Honestly I figured whats going on looks more like this.

Re: any insiders have any info on Capel?
Something I've wanted to ask you for a while. I've had just enough cold ones this afternoon to just go ahead with it. What exactly is your beef with our AD? Has everything gone perfectly according to plan? I would say not. What job does go exactly perfectly? What has he done that was so egregious to warrant your constant attacks? My opinion is that he has faced challenges that any school at our level is likely to face. I think there have been wins and there have been losses. Any school at our level is going to experience the same challenges. I'd like to hear what exactly your beef is.IGgreer wrote:When it comes to issues of Cobb's incompetence, I joke very little.asu66 wrote:"Unfortunately, I think you are wrong on both of these points."
Me? Me, WRONG? Surely you jest.
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To be clear, was your question directed to IGG or to me? I assume IGG, but at second reading, it left a question in my mind.Apps03 wrote:Something I've wanted to ask you for a while. I've had just enough cold ones this afternoon to just go ahead with it. What exactly is your beef with our AD? Has everything gone perfectly according to plan? I would say not. What job does go exactly perfectly? What has he done that was so egregious to warrant your constant attacks? My opinion is that he has faced challenges that any school at our level is likely to face. I think there have been wins and there have been losses. Any school at our level is going to experience the same challenges. I'd like to hear what exactly your beef is.IGgreer wrote:When it comes to issues of Cobb's incompetence, I joke very little.asu66 wrote:"Unfortunately, I think you are wrong on both of these points."
Me? Me, WRONG? Surely you jest.
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Re: any insiders have any info on Capel?
Cobb should be arrested for murder for what he's done to the bball program. Fired a longtime coach (which I actually agreed with at the time), and hired a guy who wasn't "all in" who has proven in the past he will leave/quit at the drop of the hat. The Capel hire was an obvious mistake -- don't give me that crap about being "influenced by a booster" -- that is a cop out of the highest degree.Apps03 wrote:Something I've wanted to ask you for a while. I've had just enough cold ones this afternoon to just go ahead with it. What exactly is your beef with our AD? Has everything gone perfectly according to plan? I would say not. What job does go exactly perfectly? What has he done that was so egregious to warrant your constant attacks? My opinion is that he has faced challenges that any school at our level is likely to face. I think there have been wins and there have been losses. Any school at our level is going to experience the same challenges. I'd like to hear what exactly your beef is.IGgreer wrote:When it comes to issues of Cobb's incompetence, I joke very little.asu66 wrote:"Unfortunately, I think you are wrong on both of these points."
Me? Me, WRONG? Surely you jest.
Sticking with Capel this long has shown that he doesn't really care. If boosters influenced Cobb to hire Capel, I'm damn sure a booster could influence him to fire Capel at some point in the past.
Where was Cobb during the Devonte Graham debacle? Things of this nature are right in the freaking wheelhouse of an AD's job description and the guy just hides behind a "no comment" wall. I hate to bring up UNC, but AD Bubba Cunningham has been very vocal about player eligibility issues this week and his entire tenure. While we were getting killed by the national media, the sound of silence made us look even more foolish.
I don't want to get in-depth on the Jerry Moore ordeal, because I admittedly don't know all the facts. Just seems to me that a coaching legend should be able to write his own ticket as far as a departure/retirement. Whether or not Jerry was at fault, Cobb deserves blame for the sloppiness of the entire situation. The only coaching legend in the history of the school can't go out like that. Smooth it over -- it's your job.
Satterfield's strong recruiting has me very encouraged going into the Sun Belt. But you have to wonder if he put much effort into the coaching search.
Peterson = lazy hire
Capel = lazy hire
Satterfield = TBA
I'm sure making a transition from one level of play to another with your entire athletic department is not easy. I'm sure Charlie is a nice guy and has many leather-bound books and a home that smells of rich mahogany, but the guy needs to not screw this thing with the bball program up. Got a big decision on the horizon...
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Re: any insiders have any info on Capel?
I didn't mean to imply making direct contact with coaches in-season. You can, however, follow-up on the calls and e-mails you're already being flooded with from the "representatives" (attorneys, agents, friends and former ADs) of coaches who want you to know of their interest. You can very legitimately do quiet follow-up on those contacts. You can also call around to your friends in the business and ask what they know about this or that coach. You can also ask your AD friends (outside of the SoCon and SunBelt) who they'd like to hire if they had a vacancy. Absolutely nothing wrong with this; and you'd be a slacker if you didn't do it. You aren't making any direct contact with a coach anywhere until you have a public vacancy. Then, you seek permission from the AD of each prospect before you take the next step. Most AD's will grant permission as a courtesy--even if they'd rather not. A few will say no; then you have to (or should) wait for a direct contact from those coaches.bigCasu wrote:Guess I'll keep my mouth shut since my opinion doesn't matter.
In all seriousness, what info is out there to be known about replacing a coach in the middle of the season. All possible suitors better be coaching basketball at a school currently, so they are probably busy. Pretty sure it isn't kosher to make contact with other coaches while they are coaching a team. Plus why would we all but allege tampering regarding Devonte Graham and then turn around and do it ourselves?
I doubt we hear anything until we know who our next chancellor is.
Going back to another comment you made; you must think the naming of a new chancellor is imminent. I'd sort of convinced myself it wouldn't happen until mid-summer--to become effective July 1 with a new state fiscal year. If we have to wait until after July 1 to get the blessings of a new chancellor...next basketball season will be a complete throw-away. Another disaster.
There is a huge IF here. IF Capel isn't returning, we need a new head coach on campus by early to mid-April. IF he's somehow going to beg his "Ecotah landlord/sponsor/deep pockets" to "buy" him an extension, then this is all for naught! Sure hope we're waaaaay past that junk.
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Chuck, my apologies. My question was directed towards IGGreer.
IG, I appreciate your response. I respect your right to that opinion. As far as the basketball situation, I don't think we differ greatly on that. I think several mistakes were made in that process. I was in school for the original Buzz. I wish we had the ability to keep him in Boone at that time. There is no excuse for the second stint. I guess that's what I'm getting at when I say " a school at our level". We had no chance of keeping him, no matter what. I realize Cobb was not our AD at the time (first edition) but that same challenge exists today. The football situation we may just have to agree to disagree. I do have a different perspective on that. This is not thread to get too deep into those opinions but ultimately I agree with the decision that was made.
Ultimately, my opinion is that he has done more good for this athletic department than bad. Without hesitation, he's better than the previous regime. I've just been curious about your stance for a while and, as I said, had enough cold ones this afternoon to just stick my question and opinion out there.
My expectation is that we both want the same for the AD even though we may differ at times. Peace.
IG, I appreciate your response. I respect your right to that opinion. As far as the basketball situation, I don't think we differ greatly on that. I think several mistakes were made in that process. I was in school for the original Buzz. I wish we had the ability to keep him in Boone at that time. There is no excuse for the second stint. I guess that's what I'm getting at when I say " a school at our level". We had no chance of keeping him, no matter what. I realize Cobb was not our AD at the time (first edition) but that same challenge exists today. The football situation we may just have to agree to disagree. I do have a different perspective on that. This is not thread to get too deep into those opinions but ultimately I agree with the decision that was made.
Ultimately, my opinion is that he has done more good for this athletic department than bad. Without hesitation, he's better than the previous regime. I've just been curious about your stance for a while and, as I said, had enough cold ones this afternoon to just stick my question and opinion out there.
My expectation is that we both want the same for the AD even though we may differ at times. Peace.
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Chuck, I knew you knew better. I was responding to post #1 in this thread. I don't like the quote features. I don't see how IG calls Buzz's hire lazy. Cobb went back to the well twice during that process. It might not have been the right decision, but the effort was there. Capel, now that was lazy.
Chuck, I also get a feeling we will have a new chancellor sooner than July 1. Surely we will show him/her the ropes for a couple months. I think that would be in Appalachain's best interest, especially if we hire outside the family which I am expecting.
Chuck, I also get a feeling we will have a new chancellor sooner than July 1. Surely we will show him/her the ropes for a couple months. I think that would be in Appalachain's best interest, especially if we hire outside the family which I am expecting.
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Re: any insiders have any info on Capel?
I got a Chancellor search survey email from the Alumni Association, so I am sure a decision has already been made. 

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Re: any insiders have any info on Capel?
The basketball coach story will play out before any new chancellor is named.
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Honest question. What has he done?Apps03 wrote:Chuck, my apologies. My question was directed towards IGGreer.
IG, I appreciate your response. I respect your right to that opinion. As far as the basketball situation, I don't think we differ greatly on that. I think several mistakes were made in that process. I was in school for the original Buzz. I wish we had the ability to keep him in Boone at that time. There is no excuse for the second stint. I guess that's what I'm getting at when I say " a school at our level". We had no chance of keeping him, no matter what. I realize Cobb was not our AD at the time (first edition) but that same challenge exists today. The football situation we may just have to agree to disagree. I do have a different perspective on that. This is not thread to get too deep into those opinions but ultimately I agree with the decision that was made.
Ultimately, my opinion is that he has done more good for this athletic department than bad. Without hesitation, he's better than the previous regime. I've just been curious about your stance for a while and, as I said, had enough cold ones this afternoon to just stick my question and opinion out there.
My expectation is that we both want the same for the AD even though we may differ at times. Peace.