The NIL world we live in..........

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Re: The NIL world we live in..........

Unread post by AppStFan1 » Wed Sep 25, 2024 11:15 am

311neers wrote:
Wed Sep 25, 2024 7:28 am
Watch this be a tampering job from another school.

Just feel like he got a call from someone that says, “hey preserve your eligibility, redshirt and transfer to Auburn next year. We’ve got $3M waiting on you”. Wouldn’t put it past Hugh Freeze or some others. (This is an example)
He is not that good to command anywhere close to that so I hope nobody made him an offer like that. They are averaging 40 a game but had 72 against Utah Tech. He is really putting up 25 per game and their defense is the biggest reason for their record. They are giving up like 13.7 per game defensively. Sluka is averaging like 180 total yards per game. He is solid for what they do but if a school is offering 3M they are overpaying big time.

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Re: The NIL world we live in..........

Unread post by KentHogan » Wed Sep 25, 2024 11:58 am

Pathetic.

Can’t imagine I will feel comfortable continuing to support this craziness for too much longer.

Sooner or later the fans who hate this stuff will have to step away or decide to keep enabling it.

At least in the NFL, the players have to stick around for the contract duration.

NFL players seem to now have more respect for the fans, teams, and their teammates than these college kids.

Amazing how far the game has fallen.

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Re: The NIL world we live in..........

Unread post by AppStFan1 » Wed Sep 25, 2024 12:04 pm

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Maybe not, seems this is short term thinking on the QBs perspective if has NFL aspirations. Maybe I am old school, if I were a GM, it would give me some pause. I get NFL players hold out all the time...but not typically mid season
I don't think he will make it in the NFL. He could have come out last year but chose to get a payday in college because he knew he was not going to get drafted. Sluka is a dual-threat who is not a good enough passer and not athletic enough to be a RB in the NFL.

If college coaches thought he did he would have had way more offers in the portal. I don't see a legit future NFL QB getting just 100k in the portal these days. He would have got more than double that if he was that good.

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Re: The NIL world we live in..........

Unread post by AppStFan1 » Wed Sep 25, 2024 12:05 pm

Mjohn1988 wrote:
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How is NIL money taxed, not by the athlete but by a contributor or a business or collective? If I gave $1m to a collective is that considered some form of donation?
I think people were trying to set them up as non profits but it was shot down so people couldn't claim it against taxes. Personally I think NIL collectives should be taxed as businesses
Collectives should be banned period. It’s not even close to spirit of the court ruling. True NIL deals wouldn’t be nearly as bad as what’s going on with these collectives. But no way should the donations be tax deductible.
Agreed. Fueling them with money only makes the problem worse. I am not saying NIL or players getting any money should go away but these outside collectives do need to go away. They are causing more harm than good.

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Unread post by t4pizza » Wed Sep 25, 2024 12:15 pm

It now seems like this kid tried renegotiating after the good start of the season. School claims all NIL that was promised has been paid but that the kid got an agent after the first game and is demanding more money because they believe his market has increased. I get not playing if the NIL commitment is not honored, I don't like it at all but I get the business aspect of it. What I am totally against and will never support or get behind in any way shape or form is trying to renegotiate a deal midstream because one of the parties thinks they are now worth more. That is just pure greed and a complete lack of commitment. If what the school is saying is true, this kid quit on his team and I hope he has played his last down of high level college football. If what he says is true, I wish him well in future endeavors. This entire situation is a bad look.

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Re: The NIL world we live in..........

Unread post by BambooRdApp » Wed Sep 25, 2024 12:15 pm

AppStFan1 wrote:
Wed Sep 25, 2024 12:04 pm
BambooRdApp wrote:
Wed Sep 25, 2024 8:31 am
Maybe not, seems this is short term thinking on the QBs perspective if has NFL aspirations. Maybe I am old school, if I were a GM, it would give me some pause. I get NFL players hold out all the time...but not typically mid season
I don't think he will make it in the NFL. He could have come out last year but chose to get a payday in college because he knew he was not going to get drafted. Sluka is a dual-threat who is not a good enough passer and not athletic enough to be a RB in the NFL.

If college coaches thought he did he would have had way more offers in the portal. I don't see a legit future NFL QB getting just 100k in the portal these days. He would have got more than double that if he was that good.
Should have worded better...was not specific to him...in general, someone quitting mid season...
With that said, I read that UNLV did not make the payment they agreed to for NIL. So, yes, he should hold out
Also hurts UNLV with transfers of they do not honor commitments.
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Re: The NIL world we live in..........

Unread post by Mjohn1988 » Wed Sep 25, 2024 12:19 pm

BambooRdApp wrote:
Wed Sep 25, 2024 12:15 pm
AppStFan1 wrote:
Wed Sep 25, 2024 12:04 pm
BambooRdApp wrote:
Wed Sep 25, 2024 8:31 am
Maybe not, seems this is short term thinking on the QBs perspective if has NFL aspirations. Maybe I am old school, if I were a GM, it would give me some pause. I get NFL players hold out all the time...but not typically mid season
I don't think he will make it in the NFL. He could have come out last year but chose to get a payday in college because he knew he was not going to get drafted. Sluka is a dual-threat who is not a good enough passer and not athletic enough to be a RB in the NFL.

If college coaches thought he did he would have had way more offers in the portal. I don't see a legit future NFL QB getting just 100k in the portal these days. He would have got more than double that if he was that good.
Should have worded better...was not specific to him...in general, someone quitting mid season...
With that said, I read that UNLV did not make the payment they agreed to for NIL. So, yes, he should hold out
Also hurts UNLV with transfers of they do not honor commitments.
I may be missing something but is UNLV involved in making a NIL agreement or payment? I thought NIL money was 100% from outside the university itself.

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Re: The NIL world we live in..........

Unread post by BambooRdApp » Wed Sep 25, 2024 12:21 pm

Mjohn1988 wrote:
Wed Sep 25, 2024 12:19 pm
BambooRdApp wrote:
Wed Sep 25, 2024 12:15 pm
AppStFan1 wrote:
Wed Sep 25, 2024 12:04 pm
BambooRdApp wrote:
Wed Sep 25, 2024 8:31 am
Maybe not, seems this is short term thinking on the QBs perspective if has NFL aspirations. Maybe I am old school, if I were a GM, it would give me some pause. I get NFL players hold out all the time...but not typically mid season
I don't think he will make it in the NFL. He could have come out last year but chose to get a payday in college because he knew he was not going to get drafted. Sluka is a dual-threat who is not a good enough passer and not athletic enough to be a RB in the NFL.

If college coaches thought he did he would have had way more offers in the portal. I don't see a legit future NFL QB getting just 100k in the portal these days. He would have got more than double that if he was that good.
Should have worded better...was not specific to him...in general, someone quitting mid season...
With that said, I read that UNLV did not make the payment they agreed to for NIL. So, yes, he should hold out
Also hurts UNLV with transfers of they do not honor commitments.
I may be missing something but is UNLV involved in making a NIL agreement or payment? I thought NIL money was 100% from outside the university itself.
Asst coach promised it per the article I just read on ESPN.
I am not sure about any type of renegotiation
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Re: The NIL world we live in..........

Unread post by rbarthle17 » Wed Sep 25, 2024 12:26 pm

beav910 wrote:
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Is anyone not chasing the bag at this point?
They all should be, if they aren't.

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Unread post by Mjohn1988 » Wed Sep 25, 2024 12:43 pm

rbarthle17 wrote:
Wed Sep 25, 2024 12:26 pm
beav910 wrote:
Wed Sep 25, 2024 10:15 am
Is anyone not chasing the bag at this point?
They all should be, if they aren't.
There are points at which simply chasing money will not be beneficial to these young men.

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Re: The NIL world we live in..........

Unread post by AppStFan1 » Wed Sep 25, 2024 12:57 pm

rbarthle17 wrote:
Wed Sep 25, 2024 12:26 pm
beav910 wrote:
Wed Sep 25, 2024 10:15 am
Is anyone not chasing the bag at this point?
They all should be, if they aren't.
I think they should within reason. Got to play and earn it. I think once the season starts they need to just play since they agreed to those numbers. He is saying the school did not live up to expectations and someone close to school says he held them up for more money so we don't know for sure what exactly went on yet. I could see either side being true.

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Re: The NIL world we live in..........

Unread post by 311neers » Wed Sep 25, 2024 3:01 pm

https://x.com/michaelallen8_/status/183 ... 3hJ5cku44g

Something fishy going on at UNLV. Another well known RB redshirting and portaling.
Ex 4* from NC State. I believe high school in North Carolina.

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Unread post by appdaze » Wed Sep 25, 2024 3:02 pm

I'm sure many of yall remember the time when the nba let high schoolers join the draft. Many youngsters got agents blowing smoke and tried entering the drafts when they weren't ready and their value was overblown. They never got drafted and never played while burning their college eligibility. So their potential life changing college basketball opportunities were gone as well.

This is starting to remind me a lot of that. It's the wild west right now and these guys have the money hawks whispering in their ears to make potentially terrible decisions where the only negative outcome can happen to the player while the agent just moves to the next guy to manipulate. The stats got posted here one time about the number who have entered the portal...and never come out. It was high.

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Re: The NIL world we live in..........

Unread post by Appst86 » Wed Sep 25, 2024 3:23 pm

BambooRdApp wrote:
Wed Sep 25, 2024 12:21 pm
Mjohn1988 wrote:
Wed Sep 25, 2024 12:19 pm
BambooRdApp wrote:
Wed Sep 25, 2024 12:15 pm
AppStFan1 wrote:
Wed Sep 25, 2024 12:04 pm
BambooRdApp wrote:
Wed Sep 25, 2024 8:31 am
Maybe not, seems this is short term thinking on the QBs perspective if has NFL aspirations. Maybe I am old school, if I were a GM, it would give me some pause. I get NFL players hold out all the time...but not typically mid season
I don't think he will make it in the NFL. He could have come out last year but chose to get a payday in college because he knew he was not going to get drafted. Sluka is a dual-threat who is not a good enough passer and not athletic enough to be a RB in the NFL.

If college coaches thought he did he would have had way more offers in the portal. I don't see a legit future NFL QB getting just 100k in the portal these days. He would have got more than double that if he was that good.
Should have worded better...was not specific to him...in general, someone quitting mid season...
With that said, I read that UNLV did not make the payment they agreed to for NIL. So, yes, he should hold out
Also hurts UNLV with transfers of they do not honor commitments.
I may be missing something but is UNLV involved in making a NIL agreement or payment? I thought NIL money was 100% from outside the university itself.
Asst coach promised it per the article I just read on ESPN.
I am not sure about any type of renegotiation
I'm sure all of you have relatives/friends that have joined the military that have said they did not get what the recruiter "promised". I spent 21 years in the Army, and the only "promise" is what is written in the legally-binding contract; does not matter what is said. In my career, I saw only one soldier get released because he did not get the training/assignment/etc. that was legally "promised". These kids will learn (the smart ones) that if it is not in a contract, it ISN'T. My understanding is the University is not "legally" involved in NIL deals. NIL is between the athlete/athlete's representative and the collective/company making the payment. If there is no legal contract, there is no "promise".

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Re: The NIL world we live in..........

Unread post by Mjohn1988 » Wed Sep 25, 2024 3:46 pm

appdaze wrote:
Wed Sep 25, 2024 3:02 pm
I'm sure many of yall remember the time when the nba let high schoolers join the draft. Many youngsters got agents blowing smoke and tried entering the drafts when they weren't ready and their value was overblown. They never got drafted and never played while burning their college eligibility. So their potential life changing college basketball opportunities were gone as well.

This is starting to remind me a lot of that. It's the wild west right now and these guys have the money hawks whispering in their ears to make potentially terrible decisions where the only negative outcome can happen to the player while the agent just moves to the next guy to manipulate. The stats got posted here one time about the number who have entered the portal...and never come out. It was high.
If the universities would start being very selective in who they take out of the transfer portal they could put a big dent in how damaging this is all going to be. But way too many of the coaches and administrators want to win at any cost. And it looks like the cost of winning at any cost could be way more than any of them want it to be. I can really see a large chunk of fans saying enough.

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Re: The NIL world we live in..........

Unread post by WASU 93 » Wed Sep 25, 2024 5:35 pm

311neers wrote:
Wed Sep 25, 2024 3:01 pm
https://x.com/michaelallen8_/status/183 ... 3hJ5cku44g

Something fishy going on at UNLV. Another well known RB redshirting and portaling.
Ex 4* from NC State. I believe high school in North Carolina.
They have 4 years to get paid. If they redshirt, they can make it 5. I'm sure there is not any language (At this time) written into NIL deals requiring funds to be paid back if you leave.

The Oakland Raiders used to build rosters off of castoffs and "misfits". There will always be a school that will be willing to take someone else's NIL portal player.

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Re: The NIL world we live in..........

Unread post by 311neers » Wed Sep 25, 2024 7:54 pm

https://x.com/on3sports/status/18390957 ... 3hJ5cku44g

This dude was a starter for Georgia as a Freshman and had 2 sacks in the National Championship. Was going to easily be a 1st rounder. Then dips to USC for money and now in portal again and redshirting. Kids are kids and getting bad advice. NIL has ruined this game.

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