"Football and college do not go together." This PAC12 QB has a point
Posted: Tue Aug 08, 2017 6:41 pm
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My GI Bill degree definitely took hard work. When I first started classes, I couldn't even be in a room with more than 20 people. I tried hard, I did the things the VA wanted me to, and in December I graduated. That was hard work, without even mentioning the sacrifices that led to my eligibility.AtlAppMan wrote:I am tired of hearing this story line. Yes money is being made in college sports. But if players want to make it to the pros then they need to prove they are able to endure the process. This is not really different than many other professions because in most professions when you start out you don't get to reap the rewards until you have paid your dues. In days of old, you would be an apprentice and train under a skilled worker until one day you were able to claim to be a professional. Practically every profession works this way. In everyone, somebody else benefits from the up and coming resource. In professional careers, in the few years after college you get a low starting salary until you prove yourself. You bust your butt working overtime and everything else for first few years. Ask any doctor or lawyer the same question.
What is the difference?
Yet it's not a required part of the profession of professional baseball, or hockey, or soccer, or any other sport except basketball (the only other one that makes money at the college level).AtlAppMan wrote:I am tired of hearing this story line. Yes money is being made in college sports. But if players want to make it to the pros then they need to prove they are able to endure the process. This is not really different than many other professions because in most professions when you start out you don't get to reap the rewards until you have paid your dues. In days of old, you would be an apprentice and train under a skilled worker until one day you were able to claim to be a professional. Practically every profession works this way, somebody else benefits from the up and coming resource until their day comes. In professional careers, in the few years after college you get a low starting salary until you prove yourself. You bust your butt working overtime and everything else for first few years. Ask any doctor who had to bust butt as an intern and residency or lawyers the same question.
What is the difference? This is just part of that profession.
Exactly.HighlandsApp wrote:I find it very interesting that most are picking up on a minor point that the guy made regarding that if Alabama raised its academic standards that their players wouldn't get into school and that it therefore wouldn't win so many national titles.
His main point is that today's student athletes schedules are so rigorous and time consuming that there is practically no time for school. He isn't pointing out who doesn't deserve to go to school or isn't suggesting that the athletes do not deserve to be there.
Most college students spend time in class and studying and may have a part time job. His point is that college athletics are too time consuming, full time and that the university athletic department puts the actual college degree as a secondary point. In reality the athletes are only kept academically eligible. They aren't being student athletes they are athletes who maintain eligibility.
Im sure this won't be popular but the answer is pretty simple: don't send kids to an institution of higher learning whose sole priority is to play football.moonshine wrote:How do programs solve the problem?
Does it take more money to help with academic support staff and COA so athletes don't need a part time job? Extend the amount of years a student athlete is covered under their scholarship so instead of 5 years to play 4, make it 6 years to play 4?
If more money is required, then the NCAA and the roughly 250 D1 program (FBS&FCS) should reach out to the NFL. To my knowledge, they are the only professional league who do not have to pay for their "minor league" system. The NBA has the NBDL, MLB has a huge farm system from low single A to AAA and the NHL has a system.
Yet the NFL, who raked in $13.3B in 2016 and has a stated goal of reaching $25B by 2027 per Goodell (2010), should be able afford to shell out $500m to be split among all D1 program based on scholarships provided. The $500m is less than 4% of current NFL revenue and will be 2% of the projected $25B in 2027.
The MLB has roughly 120 farm teams (4 per major league team) that are worth between $3m and $25m a piece with the top 20 teams being worth $20m+. If you put the average worth at $6m per farm team, that costs the MLB $720m. The MLB brought in $10B in 2016.
If the answer is more money, then the NCAA and college programs across America need to reach out to the NFL to help supplement the very system the NFL benefits from but has never invested in. The extra $1.6m-$2.3m per Div1 team annually would do wonders in providing COA, more academic support staff and/or scholarship extensions to help alleviate the time constraints placed on student athletes.
1852 Harvard vs Yale rowingericsaid wrote:College athletics have been around for how long?
It is hard to believe how much time these players spend on class, studying, practice, lifting, and film study each day. He is right that college sports have become so competitive the players have very little down time even in the off season. Add in the large increase in travel time they face during the season and it adds up. It's not impossible, but it is VERY demanding.EastHallApp wrote:Exactly.HighlandsApp wrote:I find it very interesting that most are picking up on a minor point that the guy made regarding that if Alabama raised its academic standards that their players wouldn't get into school and that it therefore wouldn't win so many national titles.
His main point is that today's student athletes schedules are so rigorous and time consuming that there is practically no time for school. He isn't pointing out who doesn't deserve to go to school or isn't suggesting that the athletes do not deserve to be there.
Most college students spend time in class and studying and may have a part time job. His point is that college athletics are too time consuming, full time and that the university athletic department puts the actual college degree as a secondary point. In reality the athletes are only kept academically eligible. They aren't being student athletes they are athletes who maintain eligibility.
This is one of those articles that gets picked up or "aggregated" by secondary sites that run one of the more splashy quotes as a headline, with no context. Then fans react to that without ever actually reading what the kid has to say.
Agree or disagree, he seems like a pretty smart and thoughtful young man.
I wonder if the biggest demands are really on-field practice time or all the other stuff they spend time on - S&C, film study, etc.JTApps1 wrote:It is hard to believe how much time these players spend on class, studying, practice, lifting, and film study each day. He is right that college sports have become so competitive the players have very little down time even in the off season. Add in the large increase in travel time they face during the season and it adds up. It's not impossible, but it is VERY demanding.EastHallApp wrote:Exactly.HighlandsApp wrote:I find it very interesting that most are picking up on a minor point that the guy made regarding that if Alabama raised its academic standards that their players wouldn't get into school and that it therefore wouldn't win so many national titles.
His main point is that today's student athletes schedules are so rigorous and time consuming that there is practically no time for school. He isn't pointing out who doesn't deserve to go to school or isn't suggesting that the athletes do not deserve to be there.
Most college students spend time in class and studying and may have a part time job. His point is that college athletics are too time consuming, full time and that the university athletic department puts the actual college degree as a secondary point. In reality the athletes are only kept academically eligible. They aren't being student athletes they are athletes who maintain eligibility.
This is one of those articles that gets picked up or "aggregated" by secondary sites that run one of the more splashy quotes as a headline, with no context. Then fans react to that without ever actually reading what the kid has to say.
Agree or disagree, he seems like a pretty smart and thoughtful young man.
The only ways to change this is to limit the amount of practice time even more than it already is, and to reduce the travel time by change up the conferences. Less practice time mean more mistakes on the field, and fixing the conferences will be nearly impossible to do and make all of the big boys happy.
Collectively those are probably more time consuming, but it would be very hard to track if limits were placed on those areas.EastHallApp wrote:I wonder if the biggest demands are really on-field practice time or all the other stuff they spend time on - S&C, film study, etc.JTApps1 wrote:It is hard to believe how much time these players spend on class, studying, practice, lifting, and film study each day. He is right that college sports have become so competitive the players have very little down time even in the off season. Add in the large increase in travel time they face during the season and it adds up. It's not impossible, but it is VERY demanding.EastHallApp wrote:Exactly.HighlandsApp wrote:I find it very interesting that most are picking up on a minor point that the guy made regarding that if Alabama raised its academic standards that their players wouldn't get into school and that it therefore wouldn't win so many national titles.
His main point is that today's student athletes schedules are so rigorous and time consuming that there is practically no time for school. He isn't pointing out who doesn't deserve to go to school or isn't suggesting that the athletes do not deserve to be there.
Most college students spend time in class and studying and may have a part time job. His point is that college athletics are too time consuming, full time and that the university athletic department puts the actual college degree as a secondary point. In reality the athletes are only kept academically eligible. They aren't being student athletes they are athletes who maintain eligibility.
This is one of those articles that gets picked up or "aggregated" by secondary sites that run one of the more splashy quotes as a headline, with no context. Then fans react to that without ever actually reading what the kid has to say.
Agree or disagree, he seems like a pretty smart and thoughtful young man.
The only ways to change this is to limit the amount of practice time even more than it already is, and to reduce the travel time by change up the conferences. Less practice time mean more mistakes on the field, and fixing the conferences will be nearly impossible to do and make all of the big boys happy.