school shooting

[appdaze]

I'm sure you guys have seen it. If you haven't just look at the news. Holy hell.


Edit:

Just looked at the guys facebook and twitter and he was another depressed screwed up guy. Many of the posts on both between him and his friends are some messed up things. Its kind of pitiful I know more about him from this stuff than what CNN/FOx are reporting. Stupid news groups, you're irrelevant.
Ryan Lanza

His mom taught at the elementary school. He shot one of his parents before he left his house to head to the school. So it sounds like he shot his dad then went over to kill his mom. Sounds like some family issues of some kind.

[kiddbrewer]

I've been watching it at school and can't seem to comprehend why anyone would do anything like this.

[AppGrad1]

A growing world without Christ. (This is my opinion) This stuff will not stop. It's just the way society is these days and going forward.
Sad day and I pray for the families...

[GlassOnion]

This is probably one of the saddest things Ive ever seen. Kindergarteners? Who in their own sadness and confusion could shoot a class of kindergarteners? This is tragic.


Sometimes humanity just makes me want to go crawl into a cave and disappear.

[Yosef]

I live a few miles from where this happened. Needless to say everyone up here is extremely shocked and at a complete loss.

[AppGrad1]

It bothers me that we have 4 pages of comments on the hiring of a new football coach but yet only 4 posts on a page about the murders of 26 innocent lives lost... Maybe it's just me...

[mountaineerman]

dont say anything about gun control or they will toss you off .

[BeauFoster]

It bothers me that we have 4 pages of comments on the hiring of a new football coach but yet only 4 posts on a page about the murders of 26 innocent lives lost... Maybe it's just me...

I don't know about everyone else, but I've seen too much coverage of this everywhere else to want to comment too much about it. I'm not sticking my head in the sand, I just don't come to this board to discuss national tragedies. ABC news tonight had nothing but coverage. I made my wife turn it down so I didn't have to think about it while eating. I've got a 1.5 week old daughter now, and its hard to think about this happening to her.

[asutrnr81]

It bothers me that we have 4 pages of comments on the hiring of a new football coach but yet only 4 posts on a page about the murders of 26 innocent lives lost... Maybe it's just me...

I too do not come on here to talk of tragedies...but I do have an opinion: Posted Elsewhere!

God Please help The people of Newtown find some peace.

I cannot imagine what was going through the principal's mind this morning, I can't imagine why we guard our money with armed guards and our children with a doorbell.

According to some training I and Daniel Wallace and Terry Spry had this summer there has not been a school shooting at a school where an officer was on duty. If that is the case why is there EVER ANY Question about having a School Resource Officer at all schools. Is it the money? Someone justify the cost to the parents of the 20 kindergarteners in Connecticut.

[appst89]

dont say anything about gun control or they will toss you off .

That thread was deleted for a series of inappropriate posts.

We left the politics folder off the new board for a reason. And the stuff posted in that thread showed it was the right decision.

[mountaineerman]

Who would know now?

[appst89]

Who would know now?

Sorry you don't like it. Sometimes mods have to make a decision and we did. We stand by it. The kind of name calling and personal attacks in that thread have no place on this board. Any thread that becomes what that one did is going to get nuked.

[goapps93]

Gun control or not, school resource officers or not, controlled access or not, my take on this whole mass shooting issue is that people have forgotten how to treat other people. It even happens verbally on boards like this. I'm not trying to start anything that will shut this thread down but this is a people issue more than a legal issue. I'm sure you guys who work in schools everyday see how students treat each other, especially those who are a little different from other students and I hope it saddens you and you are doing something about it. I even notice it working with teenagers at church. They are absolutely horrible to one another. It's no wonder some kids have enough and respond in ways such as this fellow in CT did. We have to start treating each other better and looking out for one another. It seems that a lot of the shooters in these cases are loaners with acceptance issues. It also seems that in most cases people with those issues are driven away rather than choosing to separate themselves. Maybe I'm wrong but it just pains me to see young people reacting in this way.

[asutrnr81]

Gun control or not, school resource officers or not, controlled access or not, my take on this whole mass shooting issue is that people have forgotten how to treat other people. It even happens verbally on boards like this. I'm not trying to start anything that will shut this thread down but this is a people issue more than a legal issue. I'm sure you guys who work in schools everyday see how students treat each other, especially those who are a little different from other students and I hope it saddens you and you are doing something about it. I even notice it working with teenagers at church. They are absolutely horrible to one another. It's no wonder some kids have enough and respond in ways such as this fellow in CT did. We have to start treating each other better and looking out for one another. It seems that a lot of the shooters in these cases are loaners with acceptance issues. It also seems that in most cases people with those issues are driven away rather than choosing to separate themselves. Maybe I'm wrong but it just pains me to see young people reacting in this way.

I agree completely. However, I also think it is going to take a broad approach. I attended a two day workshop by Phil Chalmers this summer on this issue. A couple of things that was really surprising:

1. These shooters ALWAYS leave a trail that could have been followed if people knew what they were looking for.
2. Nearly ALL of these shooters are video game addicts with the more violent games being their preference....sometimes even creating trance-like conditions that push them over the top. The biggest problems being Black OP's (Whatever), Grand Theft Auto, and Halo.
3. To that end....It took weeks for Harry Potter and Titanic to reach $400Mil in sales and Black Ops in 48 hours in 2010.
4. Control is nearly all of their issues....they feel out of it and want it and take it from people feeling vulnerable to them.

I think this issue is very multifaceted but we can't let the big scope keep us from acting/reacting.

God Bless Sandy Hook!

[McLeansvilleAppFan]

I would imagine they are video game players and especially the three games mentioned b/c they are loners, and this is a way to interact with other people. I don't play many video games outside of playing ASU in NCAA football and basketball on the Gamecube mode of the Wii, so I am not trying to justify the games. I do think the three games you mention all have online interactive play that allows a loner to also be able to interact with others.

The games don't help the situation, but the violent games may not be the problem but a situation that people that have issues gravitate towards for one reason of another.

As far as ticket sales and such. Titanic and some of the early Harry Potter movies came out a few years ago. Were tickets $6-7 during Titantic's first run in the late 1990s? I am not sure, but I think these video games you mention run around $60 a pop. At that rate we are talking 10 movie tickets to match the sale of one game.

Not trying to argue your point too much, but when you throw out numbers you have to look at that with a critical enough of an eye to see more than just the raw numbers. (I was surprised Black Ops sold that fast I must admit.)

[asutrnr81]

...and I am basing that on what we were TOLD in the sessions.....i always leave leeway for the person telling the story.....but those are huge numbers....when you look at the amounts sold.

...and they are interactive in that you can play others on the net.

[goapps93]

Yes, I think the video games do have an influence, if nothing more than desensitizing death and killing. It's definitely not narrowed to just one thing. It's a pretty complex issue that's going to take complex thinkers and radical solutions that many will not be happy with. I'm still convinced that until we deal with the people issues mass killings and other violent events will occur with many methods of delivery.

[appdaze]

I'm pretty sure Hitler didn't play call of duty before world war II.

There are people who kill people. I'm really tired of people trying to blame video games or music or whatever for these issues.


"An overwhelming number of American children between the ages of 2 and 17 are playing video games, a new study released today by the NPD Group has found.

According to the research firm, 91 percent of kids between 2 and 17, or about 64 million people, are playing video games, up 9 percentage points compared to 2009."
http://news.cnet.com/8301-13506_3-20118 ... arch-says/

That is just the numbers for the kids. There are millions of adults who play as well.


"They excluded gang-related shootings and, in the end, found that there was no good "profile" of the type of person who becomes a school shooter. Attackers ranged in age from 11 to 21, and were as likely to be rich as poor; they were from all ethnic and racial backgrounds (though about three-fourths were white). They had intact and broken families, good and bad report cards. A few felt isolated, but just as many had a lot of friends. Most were suicidal, but only a few had actually been diagnosed with mental disorders."

"They also found that a few factors that might seem significant — poor attitudes toward school, poor grades, bad parent-child relationships, a tendency toward being a loner and even watching a lot of violent TV — had almost no effect."

"Cornell estimates that even with an average of 9.3 shootings per school year, each of the nation's 119,000 K-12 schools can expect a shooting only once every 12,800 years."
http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/edu ... ters_N.htm

I hate when these types of things happen and I feel strongly for the victims involved, but the media has Americans thinking that this is some massively occurring event when they aren't. They hardly ever happen but when they do they are front page news.


In my opinion, as others have already expressed, this is the major problem..."Many school shooters were bullied or threatened beforehand and more than half had revenge as their motive. Several had suffered "bullying and harassment that was longstanding and severe," the Secret Service said."

This is a culture that has been created here in American schools that has to be curbed. All the evidence that I have read and seen over the years points to two culprits, the parents and bullies.

[HighPointApp]

Everyone needs to go to killology.com and read about Lt. Col. Dave Grossman. His three non-fiction books, On Combat, On Killing, and Stop Teaching Our Kids to Kill are very informative. I've read all three and own the first two. Grossman explains in details as to why this happening and what we can do to stop it.

I recommend these books for anyone who may find themselves in an kind of deadly force encounter. His books are not for just police or military. I also recommend attending one of Grossman's speaking seminars. Very informative and inspiring.

[proudofyosef]

One guy tries to wear an explosive in his shoe and now we all have to take our shoes off when we go to the airport. 31 mass shootings in this country since Columbine, and nothing is done. I'm a hunter and I don't know anybody who needs a freaking Bushmaster to kill deer. The least we can do after 20 first-graders were murdered in Newtown, many shot as many as 10 times, is to make it more difficult to obtain these ridiculous assault rifles that are used in wars and magazine clips of 30 that are good for nothing but killing mass numbers of citizens. The framers in no way had this in mind when the Second Amendment came around. Aaron Burr didn't have a freaking semi-automatic weapons.