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Re: Coronavirus Superthread

Unread post by AppSt94 » Thu Mar 19, 2020 9:56 am

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Younger Adults Are Also At Risk Of ‘Severe Outcomes’ Because Of Coronavirus, CDC Warns
Adults aged 20 to 54 accounted for 38% of the known coronavirus hospitalizations in the U.S., the agency said, citing an early analysis.
I wonder how much, or if any of this can be attributed to vaping? Not trying to dismiss, just looking for possible links to the affects.



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Re: Coronavirus Superthread

Unread post by Saint3333 » Thu Mar 19, 2020 10:00 am

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I posted it for my friend AppSt94 because he and I were discussing that topic yesterday - why in the name of all that is holy would I want to fear-monger you saint or anyone else ???
No context given, send a PM if that's the case.

Can you not see how people can read that as fear mongering...

Misleading and less than half of the story.

Just post a link next time - pretty easy.



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Re: Coronavirus Superthread

Unread post by Yosef10 » Thu Mar 19, 2020 9:08 pm

Saint3333 wrote:
Thu Mar 19, 2020 10:00 am
WVAPPeer wrote:
Thu Mar 19, 2020 9:52 am
I posted it for my friend AppSt94 because he and I were discussing that topic yesterday - why in the name of all that is holy would I want to fear-monger you saint or anyone else ???
No context given, send a PM if that's the case.

Can you not see how people can read that as fear mongering...

Misleading and less than half of the story.

Just post a link next time - pretty easy.
Lol it’s not misleading or fear mongering. It’s commonly suggested this is only bad for the 65 and over crowd when in reality it’s playing out that this can and has severely effected those 50 and under.



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Re: Coronavirus Superthread

Unread post by hapapp » Fri Mar 20, 2020 5:21 am

It's not age specific as it is health specific. Those under 65 with complicated health problems are at a greater risk. Obviously older folks with health issues are at an even greater risk because of the combination of their age and health. With 40% of those hospitalized under the age of 54, it's not just the elderly that face being sick enough to be incapacitated.



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Re: Coronavirus Superthread

Unread post by AppSt94 » Fri Mar 20, 2020 5:47 am

Statistics are an important tool for decision making, but we have to be diligent in our pursuit of what the numbers actually mean rather than take them at face value. It is incumbent of us to pause and rationalize the numbers, instead of relying on what the media is telling you they mean. There are pockets in our demographics that have more to be concerned about than others. That doesn’t mean that the rest of us should not be concerned or think about our daily habits, but the overwhelming panic is not helping and some in the media are pushing those buttons and using the fear against us instead of quelling the panic.



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Re: Coronavirus Superthread

Unread post by HighPointApp » Fri Mar 20, 2020 7:33 am

I heard this morning on the radio the following: the North Carolina Superintendent of Public Instruction said not to expect and plan for schools not to start back in early April.


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Re: Coronavirus Superthread

Unread post by Yosef10 » Fri Mar 20, 2020 10:47 am

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Just the facts: https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6912e2.htm
That mentioned one country, China, who always has the most reliable data, right? Look at South Korea who has done the most extensive testing - 20-29 is the most infective age group, and yes there are varying degrees of severity. I just don’t think it’s particularly smart to tell the largest age group in the country that they’re not at risk when clearly they are.



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Re: Coronavirus Superthread

Unread post by Saint3333 » Fri Mar 20, 2020 11:31 am

CDC is one of most risk adverse groups putting data and information out there. If you have a source they refutes what they are saying I'd love to read about it to educate myself. Please post a link.



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Re: Coronavirus Superthread

Unread post by Yosef10 » Fri Mar 20, 2020 12:17 pm

Saint3333 wrote:
Fri Mar 20, 2020 11:31 am
CDC is one of most risk adverse groups putting data and information out there. If you have a source they refutes what they are saying I'd love to read about it to educate myself. Please post a link.
https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/ ... mm6912e2_w

The CDC is the source. 29% of infections are in 20-44 year olds and both 45-54 and 54-65 are at 18%, so that’s a 65% infection rates in people under 65. 38% of hospitalizations are for people 54 and under. 17% are 55-64. As WV said, this isn’t a virus that solely effects the 65+ crowd. And this isn’t solely meant toward you, but it’s extremely irresponsible to keep suggesting such.



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Re: Coronavirus Superthread

Unread post by Saint3333 » Fri Mar 20, 2020 12:56 pm

At this time I'd argue posting half stories is just as irresponsible as brushing this thing off (which I'm clearly not). There is more than enough fear associated with this subject.

My point on the 40% headline was that wasn't the whole story and needed context which the CDC link I provided.

Every virus effects people aged 20-55, this one is no different and everyone can agree on that I hope. For this virus people in that age group without pre-existing conditions are dying at an extremely lower rate. In fact it disproportionately impacts the elderly as those under 20 aren't seeing as many ill effects compared to other viruses.

This last part is my opinion based upon the CDC data - there is more danger in the 20-55 crowd spreading it to those over 65 and/or using valuable hospital space than themselves actually contracting it.



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Re: Coronavirus Superthread

Unread post by Appsolutely » Fri Mar 20, 2020 1:16 pm

I would like to thank the moderator for removing any posts on this thread which are political in nature. I noticed one last night that was blatantly political, and this morning it was gone. What is interesting, though, is that it’s pretty evident where most of those who have posted stand politically, just by judging the content of their posts.
I am confident that we will ultimately get past the current situation, although I am not about to predict when this might happen, as I am not an epidemiologist.
What troubles me even more than the virus is how SOME have chosen to comport themselves during this situation. Unfortunately, selfishness, greed, willful ignorance and generational conflict have been on full display.
The virus will abate at some point. But how about the attitudes of those who are so self-absorbed that they don’t give a damn about how their actions might affect their fellow citizens?
During a crucible, our core values become conspicuous.
The results so far, with some exceptions, are not encouraging.
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Re: Coronavirus Superthread

Unread post by Rekdiver » Fri Mar 20, 2020 1:40 pm

This is about truth in media also...The outlets that accused other mainstream media of creating a hoax surrounding COVID-19 now seem to understand the pandemic BUT say they never said it was a hoax or were buying into the need for social distancing.



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Re: Coronavirus Superthread

Unread post by AppSt94 » Fri Mar 20, 2020 1:51 pm

Yosef10 wrote:
Fri Mar 20, 2020 12:17 pm
Saint3333 wrote:
Fri Mar 20, 2020 11:31 am
CDC is one of most risk adverse groups putting data and information out there. If you have a source they refutes what they are saying I'd love to read about it to educate myself. Please post a link.
https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/ ... mm6912e2_w

The CDC is the source. 29% of infections are in 20-44 year olds and both 45-54 and 54-65 are at 18%, so that’s a 65% infection rates in people under 65. 38% of hospitalizations are for people 54 and under. 17% are 55-64. As WV said, this isn’t a virus that solely effects the 65+ crowd. And this isn’t solely meant toward you, but it’s extremely irresponsible to keep suggesting such.
I would agree. However, you aren’t looking at the data correctly if you are using age only. Of those that have the worst cases, or pay the ultimate price, how many are older or have compromised immune systems. A 35 year old male with asthma or a history of bronchitis is at more risk than a 55 year old male in good health.



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Re: Coronavirus Superthread

Unread post by Mjohn1988 » Fri Mar 20, 2020 3:23 pm

The current CDC data showed the US with 15,219 cases and 201 deaths or a 1.3% mortality rate.



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Re: Coronavirus Superthread

Unread post by McLeansvilleAppFan » Fri Mar 20, 2020 4:57 pm

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I heard this morning on the radio the following: the North Carolina Superintendent of Public Instruction said not to expect and plan for schools not to start back in early April.
I am just a classroom science teacher so what do I know about future plans and I may be wrong in what I did in that I may have to redo the cleaning later in the spring. But I wiped down everything and cleaned up and pushed tables and stacked chairs as if students will not be back until August. I did this Monday and Tuesday of this week mostly.

I figure if I am wrong I need 20 minutes to move the tables back and my room is used for lunch eat-and-learns and some of my chemistry labs are done in my room so the tables and room needed a good cleaning regardless of Covid-19 and timelines around getting back to face-to-face.

Also my magnet school ends around Memorial Day so we are done earlier by a few weeks. We may be back for state testing but even that is generally done in other buildings on the UNCG campus.


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Re: Coronavirus Superthread

Unread post by appdaze » Fri Mar 20, 2020 5:30 pm

McLeansvilleAppFan wrote:
Fri Mar 20, 2020 4:57 pm
HighPointApp wrote:
Fri Mar 20, 2020 7:33 am
I heard this morning on the radio the following: the North Carolina Superintendent of Public Instruction said not to expect and plan for schools not to start back in early April.
I am just a classroom science teacher so what do I know about future plans and I may be wrong in what I did in that I may have to redo the cleaning later in the spring. But I wiped down everything and cleaned up and pushed tables and stacked chairs as if students will not be back until August. I did this Monday and Tuesday of this week mostly.

I figure if I am wrong I need 20 minutes to move the tables back and my room is used for lunch eat-and-learns and some of my chemistry labs are done in my room so the tables and room needed a good cleaning regardless of Covid-19 and timelines around getting back to face-to-face.

Also my magnet school ends around Memorial Day so we are done earlier by a few weeks. We may be back for state testing but even that is generally done in other buildings on the UNCG campus.
The president stated there would be no standardized testing this year. States have to apply for waivers through the federal government to not do testing so I guess this was a sweeping statement to cover it all.


What a fascinating and revealing thread this has been.



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Re: Coronavirus Superthread

Unread post by appdaze » Fri Mar 20, 2020 5:39 pm

I just want everyone to truly understand whats going on. I know a lot of you are confused, angry, and at each others throats. While everyone else was buying toilet paper, I was smart and bought up all the tin foil they had. Instead of hats, my whole house is now covered and protected. The media is really just the propaganda arm of the government that tries to make you think they are against each other. They are actually working together to make this plan happen. Its why viruses and big events seem to happen every 10 years like clockwork. We pay attention to the shiny objects while they fix the birds. You would think with all of their alien technology that they would have longer lasting batteries by now. Dang Chinese made batteries.



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Re: Coronavirus Superthread

Unread post by Yosef10 » Sat Mar 21, 2020 7:42 am

Saint3333 wrote:
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At this time I'd argue posting half stories is just as irresponsible as brushing this thing off (which I'm clearly not). There is more than enough fear associated with this subject.

My point on the 40% headline was that wasn't the whole story and needed context which the CDC link I provided.

Every virus effects people aged 20-55, this one is no different and everyone can agree on that I hope. For this virus people in that age group without pre-existing conditions are dying at an extremely lower rate. In fact it disproportionately impacts the elderly as those under 20 aren't seeing as many ill effects compared to other viruses.

This last part is my opinion based upon the CDC data - there is more danger in the 20-55 crowd spreading it to those over 65 and/or using valuable hospital space than themselves actually contracting it.
For NOW they are dying at somewhat low rates. What about when the virus mutates yet again? There’s already an S strain and an L strain. Just don’t understand those who wanna die on this hill. A weird thing to try an outsmart a virus that doctors know nothing about.



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Re: Coronavirus Superthread

Unread post by Saint3333 » Sat Mar 21, 2020 7:53 am

We will get through this I have no doubt. Calming voices are needed more at this time than what if games by those that have little to no power to make decisions.



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