McLeansvilleAppFan wrote: ↑

Sat May 02, 2020 3:43 pm

Question for Premier League fanatics.

When the bottom couple of teams are relegated to a lower division what happens to the player's and coaches salaries? I assume attendance is down when the teams drop and certainly the TV money can't be the same. Bournemouth made a quick rise fron Tier 4 to PL (Tier1) back to EFL(Tier 2) over the last decade. A few others have fallen almost as much. What is the process when a team moves up in the soccer tier system?

ah59396 wrote: ↑

Sat May 02, 2020 5:22 pm

You should watch “Sunderland til I die” on Netflix.

Aside from being a pretty interesting sports documentary, it follows Sunderland for two seasons. Prior to the first season they were relegated from the Prem to the Championship and Season 1 follows their battle in the lower division/financial woes and managing expectations of their fan base. If you follow the sport you already know what happened to them, needless to say they have the most dedicated fans on earth. Season 2 just came out.



I’ll just add to that my personal opinion, the promotion/relegation system and the financial system of European soccer are bar none the best of any competitive sport on earth.

ah59396 wrote: ↑

Sat May 02, 2020 5:22 pm

You should watch “Sunderland til I die” on Netflix.

Aside from being a pretty interesting sports documentary, it follows Sunderland for two seasons. Prior to the first season they were relegated from the Prem to the Championship and Season 1 follows their battle in the lower division/financial woes and managing expectations of their fan base. If you follow the sport you already know what happened to them, needless to say they have the most dedicated fans on earth. Season 2 just came out.



I’ll just add to that my personal opinion, the promotion/relegation system and the financial system of European soccer are bar none the best of any competitive sport on earth.

AppfaninCAALand wrote: ↑

Sat May 02, 2020 8:35 pm

I'm no fanatic - don't really follow it all actually. But I do know they have "parachute" payments to help relegated teams adjust to the lower TV revenue. I suspect that is one of the reasons teams tend to bounce back and forth from year to year - relegated one year and promoted back the next.

Also, while I really like the system, I don't see how it could work over here.

AppinVA wrote: ↑

Sat May 02, 2020 8:46 pm

AppfaninCAALand wrote: ↑

Sat May 02, 2020 8:35 pm

I'm no fanatic - don't really follow it all actually. But I do know they have "parachute" payments to help relegated teams adjust to the lower TV revenue. I suspect that is one of the reasons teams tend to bounce back and forth from year to year - relegated one year and promoted back the next.

Also, while I really like the system, I don't see how it could work over here.

I don’t think it can, either. Lower level teams don’t have stadiums that can compete at the major league level. Say Charlotte were to have an outstanding baseball season, as nice as the stadium is, there is no way they compete with a 10,000 seat stadium. There is just too much of a jump between minor league and major league stadia for it to work.

BallantyneApp wrote: ↑

Sat May 02, 2020 7:50 pm

ah59396 wrote: ↑

Sat May 02, 2020 5:22 pm

You should watch “Sunderland til I die” on Netflix.

Aside from being a pretty interesting sports documentary, it follows Sunderland for two seasons. Prior to the first season they were relegated from the Prem to the Championship and Season 1 follows their battle in the lower division/financial woes and managing expectations of their fan base. If you follow the sport you already know what happened to them, needless to say they have the most dedicated fans on earth. Season 2 just came out.



I’ll just add to that my personal opinion, the promotion/relegation system and the financial system of European soccer are bar none the best of any competitive sport on earth.

I love pro/rel. I think it would be awesome to try with college football.

The downside of the big soccer leagues Is they are by and far not competitive after the first 4 teams or so.

Give me EPL with a salary cap and now you’re talking

ah59396 wrote: ↑

Sat May 02, 2020 10:52 pm

If [Europe] ever decided to depart from the format, they’d never go back now.

AppfaninCAALand wrote: ↑

Sun May 03, 2020 6:36 pm

ah59396 wrote: ↑

Sat May 02, 2020 10:52 pm

If [Europe] ever decided to depart from the format, they’d never go back now.

Not that I think either happens, but I do think it is far more likely the power clubs across Europe form a single, closed, continent-spanning NFL style super league (sort of a fixed Champions League) outside each country's promotion/relegation structure, than anything resembling promotion/relegation ever comes to the States.

ah59396 wrote: ↑

Sat May 02, 2020 11:01 pm

BallantyneApp wrote: ↑

Sat May 02, 2020 7:50 pm

ah59396 wrote: ↑

Sat May 02, 2020 5:22 pm

You should watch “Sunderland til I die” on Netflix.

Aside from being a pretty interesting sports documentary, it follows Sunderland for two seasons. Prior to the first season they were relegated from the Prem to the Championship and Season 1 follows their battle in the lower division/financial woes and managing expectations of their fan base. If you follow the sport you already know what happened to them, needless to say they have the most dedicated fans on earth. Season 2 just came out.



I’ll just add to that my personal opinion, the promotion/relegation system and the financial system of European soccer are bar none the best of any competitive sport on earth.

I love pro/rel. I think it would be awesome to try with college football.

The downside of the big soccer leagues Is they are by and far not competitive after the first 4 teams or so.

Give me EPL with a salary cap and now you’re talking

Disagree regarding the cap. Sure, the leagues are top loaded. But I love, love, love the fact that any club overnight could suddenly become a powerhouse.

Look at Man City. They were a long standing failure in the prem, heck as recently as 1999 they were in the 3rd tier.

Then BAM, they get purchased by the Abu Dhabi United Group. Overnight they dump billions into City, buying world class players and now City are considered one of the best teams in Europe, winning multiple EPL titles.


In a system without a cap, the onus to win falls directly on ownership. No excuses. And if you’re poor, you better have one hell of a youth system to build and sell talent for profit and hope you hit the jackpot.

ah59396 wrote: ↑

Sat May 02, 2020 11:01 pm

BallantyneApp wrote: ↑

Sat May 02, 2020 7:50 pm

ah59396 wrote: ↑

Sat May 02, 2020 5:22 pm

You should watch “Sunderland til I die” on Netflix.

Aside from being a pretty interesting sports documentary, it follows Sunderland for two seasons. Prior to the first season they were relegated from the Prem to the Championship and Season 1 follows their battle in the lower division/financial woes and managing expectations of their fan base. If you follow the sport you already know what happened to them, needless to say they have the most dedicated fans on earth. Season 2 just came out.



I’ll just add to that my personal opinion, the promotion/relegation system and the financial system of European soccer are bar none the best of any competitive sport on earth.

I love pro/rel. I think it would be awesome to try with college football.

The downside of the big soccer leagues Is they are by and far not competitive after the first 4 teams or so.

Give me EPL with a salary cap and now you’re talking

Disagree regarding the cap. Sure, the leagues are top loaded. But I love, love, love the fact that any club overnight could suddenly become a powerhouse.

Look at Man City. They were a long standing failure in the prem, heck as recently as 1999 they were in the 3rd tier.

Then BAM, they get purchased by the Abu Dhabi United Group. Overnight they dump billions into City, buying world class players and now City are considered one of the best teams in Europe, winning multiple EPL titles.


In a system without a cap, the onus to win falls directly on ownership. No excuses. And if you’re poor, you better have one hell of a youth system to build and sell talent for profit and hope you hit the jackpot.

McLeansvilleAppFan wrote: ↑

Mon May 04, 2020 10:55 am

ah59396 wrote: ↑

Sat May 02, 2020 11:01 pm

BallantyneApp wrote: ↑

Sat May 02, 2020 7:50 pm

ah59396 wrote: ↑

Sat May 02, 2020 5:22 pm

You should watch “Sunderland til I die” on Netflix.

Aside from being a pretty interesting sports documentary, it follows Sunderland for two seasons. Prior to the first season they were relegated from the Prem to the Championship and Season 1 follows their battle in the lower division/financial woes and managing expectations of their fan base. If you follow the sport you already know what happened to them, needless to say they have the most dedicated fans on earth. Season 2 just came out.



I’ll just add to that my personal opinion, the promotion/relegation system and the financial system of European soccer are bar none the best of any competitive sport on earth.

I love pro/rel. I think it would be awesome to try with college football.

The downside of the big soccer leagues Is they are by and far not competitive after the first 4 teams or so.

Give me EPL with a salary cap and now you’re talking

Disagree regarding the cap. Sure, the leagues are top loaded. But I love, love, love the fact that any club overnight could suddenly become a powerhouse.

Look at Man City. They were a long standing failure in the prem, heck as recently as 1999 they were in the 3rd tier.

Then BAM, they get purchased by the Abu Dhabi United Group. Overnight they dump billions into City, buying world class players and now City are considered one of the best teams in Europe, winning multiple EPL titles.


In a system without a cap, the onus to win falls directly on ownership. No excuses. And if you’re poor, you better have one hell of a youth system to build and sell talent for profit and hope you hit the jackpot.

What you are saying is that monied teams can be in the running and teams without will not be able to do much.
I don’t care for that model personally.

NWA49 wrote: ↑

Mon May 04, 2020 10:19 am

I like to check on you Appy's every now and then and love this topic. I follow LCFC - an amazing and unlikely run to the title a few years back and crashing the Big 6 again this year.

I love the promotion/relegation system. I would like to see a few changes to the financial model though. A team like Villa put out a ton of cash. I believe they were the second highest spenders last off season. They are going to be in a world of financial hurt when they go back down and have to sell off players.

The cool thing is with a good scouting and growing players teams can make a move up - Tottenham and LCFC are examples. The Spurs are now one of the big 6 and LCFC have stayed competitive by finding and growing talent and selling at really high prices to help retain other talent (Maguire). It is kind of messed up though that Man City can pay for Mahrez and then just sit him on the bench.

Not current year but here is a good example of the disparity.

ah59396 wrote: ↑

Mon May 04, 2020 11:49 am

McLeansvilleAppFan wrote: ↑

Mon May 04, 2020 10:55 am

ah59396 wrote: ↑

Sat May 02, 2020 11:01 pm

BallantyneApp wrote: ↑

Sat May 02, 2020 7:50 pm

ah59396 wrote: ↑

Sat May 02, 2020 5:22 pm

You should watch “Sunderland til I die” on Netflix.

Aside from being a pretty interesting sports documentary, it follows Sunderland for two seasons. Prior to the first season they were relegated from the Prem to the Championship and Season 1 follows their battle in the lower division/financial woes and managing expectations of their fan base. If you follow the sport you already know what happened to them, needless to say they have the most dedicated fans on earth. Season 2 just came out.



I’ll just add to that my personal opinion, the promotion/relegation system and the financial system of European soccer are bar none the best of any competitive sport on earth.

I love pro/rel. I think it would be awesome to try with college football.

The downside of the big soccer leagues Is they are by and far not competitive after the first 4 teams or so.

Give me EPL with a salary cap and now you’re talking

Disagree regarding the cap. Sure, the leagues are top loaded. But I love, love, love the fact that any club overnight could suddenly become a powerhouse.

Look at Man City. They were a long standing failure in the prem, heck as recently as 1999 they were in the 3rd tier.

Then BAM, they get purchased by the Abu Dhabi United Group. Overnight they dump billions into City, buying world class players and now City are considered one of the best teams in Europe, winning multiple EPL titles.


In a system without a cap, the onus to win falls directly on ownership. No excuses. And if you’re poor, you better have one hell of a youth system to build and sell talent for profit and hope you hit the jackpot.

What you are saying is that monied teams can be in the running and teams without will not be able to do much.
I don’t care for that model personally.

That’s correct. You gotta pay to play.

The problem with a cap in the EPL is that it would destroy the league. The NFL is the only real pro football league in the world. Not like the players can go elsewhere.

The EPL is one of 100. You’d need every domestic league in the WORLD to adopt the same cap. Otherwise you’d have players fleeing to China or Brazil or Mexico, etc.

In order for the EPL to have a cap that keeps it competitive globally, it would need to be such a high number that it would be negligible. Each premier league team gets a free $100m out the gate just for the tv contract.

Lastly I’d add the cap is not a fix-all to parity. The NBA has a cap and I’m a hornets fan. It doesn’t matter what we offer, we aren’t attracting the biggest stars to Charlotte, if they get the same $$$ offer from LA or Miami. However if there was no cap and we had a competent owner, you could argue that we could get any FA we wanted if the money was right.


Having a cap in the EPL isn’t suddenly going to make Sheffield or Hull City more attractive to an upcoming Brazilian Star than say, Arsenal or Liverpool.

Just my two cents. This is a fun discussion!