Agree on Marx. And your clarification. One thing that always troubles me is there are too many younger people who almost romanticize communism and never make the distinction that while the concept sounds grand, it is like you said brutal and violent and oppressive. And we are at a weird place in our country where communism is the ‘cool’ thing and capitalism is the evil thing.Seattleapp wrote: ↑Fri Aug 13, 2021 6:52 amOne, I never said I admired Marx. Two, please see the qualifier "if". I merely was referencing theoretical communism, a stateless, classless society. There are no such, never have been such, nor will there ever be such societies. I'm as driven by self interest as the next person. But yes, it would be aspirational to live a society where there are no have nots. However, as you are no doubt aware, Marx was wrong on many fronts including where his ideas would take hold.hapapp wrote: ↑Fri Aug 13, 2021 5:17 amRight? I respect his honesty. But I’m instantly fascinated how anyone would say they wanted to live in a communist country. Most Likely someone who enjoys the fruits of capitalismSeattleapp wrote: ↑Thu Aug 12, 2021 8:43 pmappstate24 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 12, 2021 8:18 amIf communism were possible I'd sign up. But, it runs against human nature. Marx thought you could eliminate greed and perfect man. Moreover the Marxist path to get there is one of violence and dictatorship. I certainly wouldn't identify China or the old USSR as truly having achieved communism as they have/ had strong totalitarian government. In a truly communist society as described by Marx, the government whithers away.
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Communism is cool, capitalism is evil, men can get pregnant, and one can identify as a beach ball with arms if they want.....
Weird is putting it mildly...