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[Saint3333]

The actual statement:

“Considering over 600,000 people have died and is increasing exponentially daily”

If you think this isn’t misleading you are choosing to be misled.

If you’d like to provide a starting point of last Thursday and make that claim you can do so.

Or you could look at current rates in the context on a longer timeline.

This is serious and people should take precautions, but to paint a picture that these are worse times than this last winter and spring is disingenuous.

Words and misinformation are a huge part of the problem on every side.

[AppStateNews]

Never did I say it is worse times than last winter and spring. Statistically speaking, the amount of deaths are increasing exponentially.

The comment about over 600,000 deaths was in terms about the rates being low overall. Simply not the case. Then and now.

Perhaps you should read the entire conversation before putting words in my mouth.

[Saint3333]

You need to state a time to make that claim…

Wow, own it, it was poorly written.

[AppStateNews]

No, you don't. Daily means right now. They are exponentially increasing daily. No other way around it.

Admit you put words in my mouth without reading everything.

[Saint3333]

But I didn’t.

Your statement implies the total deaths are increasing exponentially.

Sorry, Grammar matters.

[HighPointApp]

This isn’t a communist or socialist country. I’m not showing paperwork to live my life.

[t4pizza]

This isn’t a communist or socialist country. I’m not showing paperwork to live my life.

We require people to show paperwork to live their lives everyday. I bet you have paperwork that shows you have car insurance, the ability to drive (driver license), vaccine records (non Covid mind you) for school, proof of a social security number for any financial transactions including winning money in casinos, racetracks etc or even establishing a retirement account or buying crypto. Heck, many believe that we should have to show paperwork to vote in our country. We have ALWAYS required our citizens to show paperwork in one form or another to live their life in our society but for some reason people want to pretend that the idea is foreign in our society and completely unacceptable in regards to Covid.

[AppStateNews]

But I didn’t.

Your statement implies the total deaths are increasing exponentially.

Sorry, Grammar matters.

Well, if that's how you read it, then I guess that's how you read it. That is not how it is read grammatically though. Daily means current -- not last spring/winter.

Also, if you're so gung-ho on grammar mattering, perhaps you shouldn't capitalize the G

[HighPointApp]

This isn’t a communist or socialist country. I’m not showing paperwork to live my life.

We require people to show paperwork to live their lives everyday. I bet you have paperwork that shows you have car insurance, the ability to drive (driver license), vaccine records (non Covid mind you) for school, proof of a social security number for any financial transactions including winning money in casinos, racetracks etc or even establishing a retirement account or buying crypto. Heck, many believe that we should have to show paperwork to vote in our country. We have ALWAYS required our citizens to show paperwork in one form or another to live their life in our society but for some reason people want to pretend that the idea is foreign in our society and completely unacceptable in regards to Covid.

Your post didn’t sway me. My right to chose what I put in my body is my choice. Not yours or anyone else. Especially not the government.

[mike87]

This isn’t a communist or socialist country. I’m not showing paperwork to live my life.

We require people to show paperwork to live their lives everyday. I bet you have paperwork that shows you have car insurance, the ability to drive (driver license), vaccine records (non Covid mind you) for school, proof of a social security number for any financial transactions including winning money in casinos, racetracks etc or even establishing a retirement account or buying crypto. Heck, many believe that we should have to show paperwork to vote in our country. We have ALWAYS required our citizens to show paperwork in one form or another to live their life in our society but for some reason people want to pretend that the idea is foreign in our society and completely unacceptable in regards to Covid.

Your post didn’t sway me. My right to chose what I put in my body is my choice. Not yours or anyone else. Especially not the government.

I think people who don't have medical reasons not to get the vaccine should get it...but your comment about the paperwork is vastly different than that response. We require ID for specific transactions. Requiring a medical record to enter a public building or restaurant is very bad. It's frightening how we are letting the political biases take over a medical issue and the media outlets continuing to divide in order to drive clicks and advertising revenue. This is a medical issue and it's not much different than the flu. But wow is it being treated differently. I'm sure some on this board will take issue with comparing this to the flu but the different % of infection rate and death rate is miniscule compared to the difference in reaction. You are lying to yourself it you can't see and understand that.

[GreatAppSt]

Let Freedom Ring.

[t4pizza]

This isn’t a communist or socialist country. I’m not showing paperwork to live my life.

We require people to show paperwork to live their lives everyday. I bet you have paperwork that shows you have car insurance, the ability to drive (driver license), vaccine records (non Covid mind you) for school, proof of a social security number for any financial transactions including winning money in casinos, racetracks etc or even establishing a retirement account or buying crypto. Heck, many believe that we should have to show paperwork to vote in our country. We have ALWAYS required our citizens to show paperwork in one form or another to live their life in our society but for some reason people want to pretend that the idea is foreign in our society and completely unacceptable in regards to Covid.

Your post didn’t sway me. My right to chose what I put in my body is my choice. Not yours or anyone else. Especially not the government.

I wasn't trying to sway you, I was merely pointing out that your argument doesn't hold any water because it is a complete fallacy that isn't based on the realities of our society. Now, your right to choose what you put in your body is a different argument altogether because you do have that right. However, the government (and private entities) equally has the right to not allow you to partake in certain activities based on your choices. For instance, if you choose not to show paperwork of having car insurance you can get a ticket and if you choose not to get car insurance you can have your ability to drive revoked by the government. You still have the choice, but there are consequences to that choice.

[mike87]

This isn’t a communist or socialist country. I’m not showing paperwork to live my life.

We require people to show paperwork to live their lives everyday. I bet you have paperwork that shows you have car insurance, the ability to drive (driver license), vaccine records (non Covid mind you) for school, proof of a social security number for any financial transactions including winning money in casinos, racetracks etc or even establishing a retirement account or buying crypto. Heck, many believe that we should have to show paperwork to vote in our country. We have ALWAYS required our citizens to show paperwork in one form or another to live their life in our society but for some reason people want to pretend that the idea is foreign in our society and completely unacceptable in regards to Covid.

Your post didn’t sway me. My right to chose what I put in my body is my choice. Not yours or anyone else. Especially not the government.

I wasn't trying to sway you, I was merely pointing out that your argument doesn't hold any water because it is a complete fallacy that isn't based on the realities of our society. Now, your right to choose what you put in your body is a different argument altogether because you do have that right. However, the government (and private entities) equally has the right to not allow you to partake in certain activities based on your choices. For instance, if you choose not to show paperwork of having car insurance you can get a ticket and if you choose not to get car insurance you can have your ability to drive revoked by the government. You still have the choice, but there are consequences to that choice.

If you believe this, where have you been all these years on the Flu vaccine?

[t4pizza]

This isn’t a communist or socialist country. I’m not showing paperwork to live my life.

We require people to show paperwork to live their lives everyday. I bet you have paperwork that shows you have car insurance, the ability to drive (driver license), vaccine records (non Covid mind you) for school, proof of a social security number for any financial transactions including winning money in casinos, racetracks etc or even establishing a retirement account or buying crypto. Heck, many believe that we should have to show paperwork to vote in our country. We have ALWAYS required our citizens to show paperwork in one form or another to live their life in our society but for some reason people want to pretend that the idea is foreign in our society and completely unacceptable in regards to Covid.

Your post didn’t sway me. My right to chose what I put in my body is my choice. Not yours or anyone else. Especially not the government.

I wasn't trying to sway you, I was merely pointing out that your argument doesn't hold any water because it is a complete fallacy that isn't based on the realities of our society. Now, your right to choose what you put in your body is a different argument altogether because you do have that right. However, the government (and private entities) equally has the right to not allow you to partake in certain activities based on your choices. For instance, if you choose not to show paperwork of having car insurance you can get a ticket and if you choose not to get car insurance you can have your ability to drive revoked by the government. You still have the choice, but there are consequences to that choice.

If you believe this, where have you been all these years on the Flu vaccine?

What in my statement isn't believable? If anyone doesn't believe what I wrote in that post then they really have been drinking the Kool Aide. That aside, I have never gotten a flu vaccine. Primarily because I am not worried about the effects of the flu should I catch it and I am equally not worried that I will unknowingly pass it on to someone that it can adversely effect with death. When you have the flu, you know it. However that isn't the case with Covid because many are asymptomatic and can unknowingly pass it on to someone that can die from it. So I see the flu as a far less significant sickness and one that I don't get vaccinated against and don't feel mass vaccinations are necessary to protect the general public at large. But I can assure you that if I were not allowed to travel without having a flu vaccine, I would get it because I like to travel. Anyone who doesn't think that the government routinely tells us what we can and can't do with our bodies just isn't paying attention to our society.

[Mjohn1988]

We require people to show paperwork to live their lives everyday. I bet you have paperwork that shows you have car insurance, the ability to drive (driver license), vaccine records (non Covid mind you) for school, proof of a social security number for any financial transactions including winning money in casinos, racetracks etc or even establishing a retirement account or buying crypto. Heck, many believe that we should have to show paperwork to vote in our country. We have ALWAYS required our citizens to show paperwork in one form or another to live their life in our society but for some reason people want to pretend that the idea is foreign in our society and completely unacceptable in regards to Covid.

Your post didn’t sway me. My right to chose what I put in my body is my choice. Not yours or anyone else. Especially not the government.

I wasn't trying to sway you, I was merely pointing out that your argument doesn't hold any water because it is a complete fallacy that isn't based on the realities of our society. Now, your right to choose what you put in your body is a different argument altogether because you do have that right. However, the government (and private entities) equally has the right to not allow you to partake in certain activities based on your choices. For instance, if you choose not to show paperwork of having car insurance you can get a ticket and if you choose not to get car insurance you can have your ability to drive revoked by the government. You still have the choice, but there are consequences to that choice.

If you believe this, where have you been all these years on the Flu vaccine?

What in my statement isn't believable? If anyone doesn't believe what I wrote in that post then they really have been drinking the Kool Aide. That aside, I have never gotten a flu vaccine. Primarily because I am not worried about the effects of the flu should I catch it and I am equally not worried that I will unknowingly pass it on to someone that it can adversely effect with death. When you have the flu, you know it. However that isn't the case with Covid because many are asymptomatic and can unknowingly pass it on to someone that can die from it. So I see the flu as a far less significant sickness and one that I don't get vaccinated against and don't feel mass vaccinations are necessary to protect the general public at large. But I can assure you that if I were not allowed to travel without having a flu vaccine, I would get it because I like to travel. Anyone who doesn't think that the government routinely tells us what we can and can't do with our bodies just isn't paying attention to our society.

Easy google search, about one in three flu cases are asymptomatic. So by your standard you have been completely irresponsible, the flu does kill people.

[t4pizza]

What standard do you speak of? I do not believe that I stated any standard in any post in this thread. I merely pointed out that the government does indeed tell us what we can put in our bodies and does require us to show paperwork for many of the things we do in our normal lives. You clearly have taken great liberty in your interpretation of what I posted, so if you want to call me "completely irresponsible" based on a perceived "standard" that I never spoke of then so be it. The truth still remains, our government can and does regularly tell us what we can and can't do. I have yet to see you refute that fact.

[Rekdiver]

https://ix.cnn.io/dailygraphics/graphic ... fbe0ac.jpg


This shows the weekly reporting of COVId cases starting July 5 top left to august 9 bottom right per CDC. Looks pretty exponential, serious, rampant, concerning.

If you dont like Faucci then listen to Scott Gotltieb former FDA commisioner.

[Mjohn1988]

What standard do you speak of? I do not believe that I stated any standard in any post in this thread. I merely pointed out that the government does indeed tell us what we can put in our bodies and does require us to show paperwork for many of the things we do in our normal lives. You clearly have taken great liberty in your interpretation of what I posted, so if you want to call me "completely irresponsible" based on a perceived "standard" that I never spoke of then so be it. The truth still remains, our government can and does regularly tell us what we can and can't do. I have yet to see you refute that fact.

I haven’t made any post about what the government can and can’t make us do. In my eyes when you stated why you didn’t get a flu shot you implied a standard by which you would decide to get a vaccination. My larger point is that all the exaggeration and misinformation has created a reasonable lack of trust in our society. By in large people us to trust the media and our government, no more. And both institutions have more than earned the lack of trust they now have. I’m just trying to get us common folk not to be a part of all the self serving misinformation and flat out lying. If your going to discuss this take a measured, reasonable and educated approach. Not saying you in particular haven’t, just a general request of everyone.

[mike87]

T4, I wasn't trying to call you out, although I sort of did and I apologize. Point was, this is a virus that differs from the flu virus in miniscule percentages. It's been politicized and used as click-bait and that's bad. We don't look for mandated masking or vaccine cards from the flu virus and need to stop it with Covid. I can tell you for a fact that the local hospital reported deaths on a basis of died with covid not from covid. I don't know national, but I without question know local. That in itself throws an * on any statistic. We keep running down this rabbit hole and a lot of the things we enjoy are not going to happen for yet another year. It's one thing to be smart and protect yourself from getting sick, but mandating of others isn't what we've ever done with a virus and it's out of control. We get back in control one person at a time.

[Rekdiver]

T4, I wasn't trying to call you out, although I sort of did and I apologize. Point was, this is a virus that differs from the flu virus in miniscule percentages. It's been politicized and used as click-bait and that's bad. We don't look for mandated masking or vaccine cards from the flu virus and need to stop it with Covid. I can tell you for a fact that the local hospital reported deaths on a basis of died with covid not from covid. I don't know national, but I without question know local. That in itself throws an * on any statistic. We keep running down this rabbit hole and a lot of the things we enjoy are not going to happen for yet another year. It's one thing to be smart and protect yourself from getting sick, but mandating of others isn't what we've ever done with a virus and it's out of control. We get back in control one person at a time.

miniscule?

Just answer me this....if everyone was vaccinated would we be having this discussion?