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[TheMoody1]

What legislation will they propose this time?


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Officials: About a dozen stabbed at Texas college
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CYPRESS, Texas (AP) — Officials say about a dozen people have been wounded in a stabbing attack at Houston-area college campus.
Cy-Fair Volunteer Fire Department spokesman Robert Rasa says 12 people were taken to area hospitals after the Tuesday attack on the Lone Star community college system's campus in Cypress. The Harris County Sheriff's department confirmed at least 11 people wounded and that authorities have one suspect in custody.
Both agencies say at least four of those injured were LifeFlighted in critical condition. Rasa says several patients refused treatment at the scene.

[GlassOnion]

What legislation will they propose this time?

Im sensing a ban on toenail clippers, you know, the ones with that little file attached...

[newtoasu]

It's a different campus, but in the same system where they had an on campus shooting a couple of months ago.

[Gonzo]

What legislation will they propose this time?

I'm thinking:
Executive Order: All adults are only permitted to possess one pair of child's scissors no more than 3" long and with a rounded top. Any object with a point can not be purchased without a thorough back ground check, retina scan, physical fitness and full cavity search. This is the only way we can protect America from the great evil of "sharp objects."

[newtoasu]

What legislation will they propose this time?

I'm thinking:
Executive Order: All adults are only permitted to possess one pair of child's scissors no more than 3" long and with a rounded top. Any object with a point can not be purchased without a thorough back ground check, retina scan, physical fitness and full cavity search. This is the only way we can protect America from the great evil of "sharp objects."

And ABSOLUTELY NO RUNNING ALLOWED!

[Gonzo]

I will be interesting to see if the weapon used was an assault knife with a high capacity handle.

[GlassOnion]

I bet the stabbing victims wish someone had been carrying on campus now.

[newtoasu]

I bet the stabbing victims wish someone had been carrying on campus now.

So they could be shot instead of stabbed, or BOTH shot and stabbed?

[TheMoody1]

I bet the stabbing victims wish someone had been carrying on campus now.

So they could be shot instead of stabbed, or BOTH shot and stabbed?

So they could shoot the psycho before he stabbed 14 people.

[GlassOnion]

I bet the stabbing victims wish someone had been carrying on campus now.

So they could be shot instead of stabbed, or BOTH shot and stabbed?

Why the added drama?

The overwhelming likelihood is that a person that can carry, including campus security, would be trained well enough to use his/her weapon properly, and might have ended the rampage at 1 or 2 or 3 or 4 stabbings instead.

Its all well and good for you to make light of it, you havent got a mad man coming after you with a knife.

[newtoasu]

I bet the stabbing victims wish someone had been carrying on campus now.

So they could be shot instead of stabbed, or BOTH shot and stabbed?

Why the added drama?

The overwhelming likelihood is that a person that can carry, including campus security, would be trained well enough to use his/her weapon properly, and might have ended the rampage at 1 or 2 or 3 or 4 stabbings instead.

Its all well and good for you to make light of it, you havent got a mad man coming after you with a knife.

Why do you say "The overwhelming likelihood is that a person that can carry, including campus security, would be trained well enough to use his/her weapon properly, and might have ended the rampage at 1 or 2 or 3 or 4 stabbings instead."

I think there is just as much likelihood that a person pulling out a gun in that situation could shot the wrong person or be shot by someone else who pulls out their gun, especially if there are multiple people carrying guns. When the crowd is that large there is confusion everywhere.

I base this on this: I read that in the Gifford's shooting in Arizona the guy who disarmed the shooter was almost shot by a licensed concealed carry citizen who came out of a store, saw the guy standing over people who had been shot holding a gun. (http://www.theatlanticwire.com/politics ... guy/18024/)

[3rd]

I bet the stabbing victims wish someone had been carrying on campus now.

So they could be shot instead of stabbed, or BOTH shot and stabbed?

Why the added drama?

The overwhelming likelihood is that a person that can carry, including campus security, would be trained well enough to use his/her weapon properly, and might have ended the rampage at 1 or 2 or 3 or 4 stabbings instead.

Its all well and good for you to make light of it, you havent got a mad man coming after you with a knife.

Why do you say "The overwhelming likelihood is that a person that can carry, including campus security, would be trained well enough to use his/her weapon properly, and might have ended the rampage at 1 or 2 or 3 or 4 stabbings instead."

I think there is just as much likelihood that a person pulling out a gun in that situation could shot the wrong person or be shot by someone else who pulls out their gun, especially if there are multiple people carrying guns. When the crowd is that large there is confusion everywhere.

I base this on this: I read that in the Gifford's shooting in Arizona the guy who disarmed the shooter was almost shot by a licensed concealed carry citizen who came out of a store, saw the guy standing over people who had been shot holding a gun. (http://www.theatlanticwire.com/politics ... guy/18024/)

It also came out that a guy in the mall shooting showed he had a gun didn't take the shot because he didn't want to miss but after the shooter saw he had a gun he took his own life

http://www.tucsonnewsnow.com/story/2036 ... ll-shooter

[GlassOnion]

I base this on this: I read that in the Gifford's shooting in Arizona the guy who disarmed the shooter was almost shot by a licensed concealed carry citizen who came out of a store, saw the guy standing over people who had been shot holding a gun.

There is significantly more time to judge a multiple stabbing situation than one where a guy is squeezing off 30 rounds. Youre making a judgement on one case, and one mans story. And he DIDNT shoot the wrong person. Hard to believe thats a strong argument against carrying.

In this case, 14 people were stabbed. 14. With NO defense.

[AppGrad1]

I bet the stabbing victims wish someone had been carrying on campus now.

So they could be shot instead of stabbed, or BOTH shot and stabbed?

You go unarmed if you like but as for me I'll take my chances with a concealed firearm where possible.
Would ya like to take dibs on who has the better chance to survive a psycho knife/gun attack, an unarmed person or an armed person?
I never understand how a person would rather be unarmed in a life threatening situation when their backs are against the wall with no escape?

[StumpyCulbreath]

Unless that school has metal detectors that students have to pass through, there are students and faculty carrying, legal or not. Whether they're in the right place at the right time or have the will and focus to do something is another matter.

[newtoasu]

I bet the stabbing victims wish someone had been carrying on campus now.

So they could be shot instead of stabbed, or BOTH shot and stabbed?

You go unarmed if you like but as for me I'll take my chances with a concealed firearm where possible.
Would ya like to take dibs on who has the better chance to survive a psycho knife/gun attack, an unarmed person or an armed person?
I never understand how a person would rather be unarmed in a life threatening situation when their backs are against the wall with no escape?

I think you may be right about who has the better chance to survive a psycho knife/gun attack, however almost every study you can find on gun ownership and mortality says that gun owners are anywhere from 3 to 10 times more likely to killed through homicide, suicide or accidents than non-gun owners. So while you might have a better chance to survive a psycho attack, which is extremely rare, with gun ownership, my odds are much better to survive everyday life, which by definition occurs everyday.

This is even more important in homes with children. So much so that the American Academy of Pediatrics urges their members to counsel their patients about the significant increase of suicide and accidents among children and adolescents in homes with guns.

Bottom line, there are more than 600 accidental deaths each year from guns. How many are killed from Psycho knife/gun attacks?

[3rd]

I bet the stabbing victims wish someone had been carrying on campus now.

So they could be shot instead of stabbed, or BOTH shot and stabbed?

You go unarmed if you like but as for me I'll take my chances with a concealed firearm where possible.
Would ya like to take dibs on who has the better chance to survive a psycho knife/gun attack, an unarmed person or an armed person?
I never understand how a person would rather be unarmed in a life threatening situation when their backs are against the wall with no escape?

I think you may be right about who has the better chance to survive a psycho knife/gun attack, however almost every study you can find on gun ownership and mortality says that gun owners are anywhere from 3 to 10 times more likely to killed through homicide, suicide or accidents than non-gun owners. So while you might have a better chance to survive a psycho attack, which is extremely rare, with gun ownership, my odds are much better to survive everyday life, which by definition occurs everyday.

This is even more important in homes with children. So much so that the American Academy of Pediatrics urges their members to counsel their patients about the significant increase of suicide and accidents among children and adolescents in homes with guns.

Bottom line, there are more than 600 accidental deaths each year from guns. How many are killed from Psycho knife/gun attacks?

How many are killed by cars? Drunk Drivers? House fires? Bad things can happen at anytime to anyone if you would rather not protect yourself that's your choice but to condemn someone else because they would like the right to have a fighting chance seams a bit odd. Just because people may have the right to carry a fire arm does not mean they are forced to do so, and also forced to act if needed. It is a personal choice

[newtoasu]

We're just going to have to agree to disagree on this. Trust me, I'm not against outlawing or most restrictions on gun ownership, but I am concerned about the proliferation of guns in more and more places by more and more people. My opinion, and that is all it is, my opinion, is that more guns in the hands of ordinary people is not the answer to fewer gun deaths.

[ASUMountaineer]

I bet the stabbing victims wish someone had been carrying on campus now.

So they could be shot instead of stabbed, or BOTH shot and stabbed?

You go unarmed if you like but as for me I'll take my chances with a concealed firearm where possible.
Would ya like to take dibs on who has the better chance to survive a psycho knife/gun attack, an unarmed person or an armed person?
I never understand how a person would rather be unarmed in a life threatening situation when their backs are against the wall with no escape?

I think you may be right about who has the better chance to survive a psycho knife/gun attack, however almost every study you can find on gun ownership and mortality says that gun owners are anywhere from 3 to 10 times more likely to killed through homicide, suicide or accidents than non-gun owners. So while you might have a better chance to survive a psycho attack, which is extremely rare, with gun ownership, my odds are much better to survive everyday life, which by definition occurs everyday.

This is even more important in homes with children. So much so that the American Academy of Pediatrics urges their members to counsel their patients about the significant increase of suicide and accidents among children and adolescents in homes with guns.

Bottom line, there are more than 600 accidental deaths each year from guns. How many are killed from Psycho knife/gun attacks?

If only one person dies from a "psycho knife/gun attack," that is one person too many!

I kid, this is an interesting discussion with no easy answers. I find it interesting that the vast majority of mass shootings would not have been prevented by background checks, yet that is the most likely gun restriction to pass. The unfortunate parts of the "gun control" debate is that it has been politicized and that there is not really any way that it can't be politicized.

I don't know what the answer is to stop mass shootings, and I'm not sure we should over-reach to try and do so. Even though mass shootings seem to have picked up in recent years, it's entirely possible that it seems that way due to the 24-hour news cycle. Sometimes, we have to accept that bad things happen and choose to always err on the side of increased liberty. Personally, I just haven't seen a solution that will truly "prevent" mass shootings.

[AppGrad1]

I bet the stabbing victims wish someone had been carrying on campus now.

So they could be shot instead of stabbed, or BOTH shot and stabbed?

You go unarmed if you like but as for me I'll take my chances with a concealed firearm where possible.
Would ya like to take dibs on who has the better chance to survive a psycho knife/gun attack, an unarmed person or an armed person?
I never understand how a person would rather be unarmed in a life threatening situation when their backs are against the wall with no escape?

I think you may be right about who has the better chance to survive a psycho knife/gun attack, however almost every study you can find on gun ownership and mortality says that gun owners are anywhere from 3 to 10 times more likely to killed through homicide, suicide or accidents than non-gun owners. So while you might have a better chance to survive a psycho attack, which is extremely rare, with gun ownership, my odds are much better to survive everyday life, which by definition occurs everyday.

This is even more important in homes with children. So much so that the American Academy of Pediatrics urges their members to counsel their patients about the significant increase of suicide and accidents among children and adolescents in homes with guns.

Bottom line, there are more than 600 accidental deaths each year from guns. How many are killed from Psycho knife/gun attacks?

I had a child grow up with me having guns. Was NEVER one problem. Gun was ALWAYS under lock and key. Not once was it available to mine or other children, and I will stress again, not once!
It is overly stressed when you buy a gun that it is to be locked up. People who do not abide by this are always the ones the media goes wild over about guns being the problem. If guns were the problem then why are there millions of gun owners that have never had a problem? The problem is P E O P L E...
Responsible gun owners are being punished for the problems of irresponsible people.
How much longer do we need to "dumb down" things so that people who are not responsible are kept safe?
I don't think that'll ever happen. Leave the gun owners alone and deal with stupid/dumb people.

Mass shootings are problems of the way society has gone.
Mass killings will get your name in the news 24/7 guaranteed. Crazy's know this and know they will be famous for their deed. We are all to blame for this. Media especially. Politicians need to look like they are doing something about this evil. Therefore let's limit guns.... How crazy. It's sad that we live in a society that actually believes this will stop crazies from shooting people...

Are we as educated people that dumb that we think limiting kinds of guns/magazines will even slow down mass killings? Any stupid/non educated person knows they can kill just as many people with pistols with several magazines. Why can't educated people see this????????