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[AppStFan1]

For us to have any shot at jumping any winning teams ahead of us, we needed to make a statement with margin of victory. We looked like we were going to, but the final score didn’t wind up that way.

And Boise is crushing Hawaii.

The winner of the AAC is going. Period. We had no shot. I don't get why people are killing themselves debating it lol.

We aren't going to the Belk Bowl either. We will be the #3 G5 team, at best. We will even fall a spot or two if UVA somehow pulled an upset.

Finishing 13-1 with a SBC title and NO Bowl win is as good as we can do with a loss, and it is a great year.

The AAC is a much stronger conference so there is no reason to torture ourselves. Unless we are undefeated we will not ever play in the NY6 as long as we are in the SBC unless the AAC Champ has 2 G5 losses.

I know you believe that you are somehow doing everyone a favor, but no one wants to constantly be told what they are allowed to think and allowed to believe.

The whole purpose of this message board is to provide fans a place to discuss all things App. It may be a slim chance for either, but they're being talked about outside the confines of Yosef's Cabin. Just let people discuss the subjects they want without telling them what they can and can't think.

I get that and I'm not telling anyone what to think. I'm telling you what is going to happen. We are going to the NO Bowl. Coming from the Sun Belt we can't lose to a losing SBC team and not win big a big margin against the 2nd best team unless the AAC Champ has 2 G5 losses. It just won't happen right now.

I wouldn’t be too sure of that. Things are in motion that may change all this. No guarantees but I was advised to hold off on making travel plans to N.O. Just yet.

I never make plans until something is announced but it will truly take something special for us to get anything other than NO Bowl but I would say Belk Bowl is the only other bowl it could be if all the stars aligned. Cotton is out for sure. I just don't see how Belk Bowl happens.

Question. Which conferences are next in line according to contracts? I don't like getting my hopes up for something that can't happen. Everything so far has been concrete to NO Bowl so I figure if we are put in Belk Bowl then something crazy happened.

[AppSt94]

Make up your mind. You just said we weren’t going anywhere but NO and now you are backpedaling by saying it might be Belk.

[AppStFan1]

Make up your mind. You just said we weren’t going anywhere but NO and now you are backpedaling by saying it might be Belk.

It has to be NO Bowl until changes are made in contracts. I'm just saying that the Belk Bowl is the only other one I could see unless stars aligned otherwise. I would also think if we were going elsewhere that App would say something publicly to hold off on travel plans. Many App fans are likely making plans for NO already. Everything in the SBC game notes each week says NO Bowl. Until they say otherwise it has to be NO Bowl.

[AppSt94]

Make up your mind. You just said we weren’t going anywhere but NO and now you are backpedaling by saying it might be Belk.

It has to be NO Bowl until changes are made in contracts. I'm just saying that the Belk Bowl is the only other one I could see unless stars aligned otherwise. I would also think if we were going elsewhere that App would say something publicly to hold off on travel plans. Many App fans are likely making plans for NO already. Everything in the SBC game notes each week says NO Bowl. Until they say otherwise it has to be NO Bowl.

If that is what you meant, OK. That’s not what you said. You said that we are going to NO and there was not other option. Paraphrasing of course. You didn’t provide caveats.

[AppStFan1]

Make up your mind. You just said we weren’t going anywhere but NO and now you are backpedaling by saying it might be Belk.

It has to be NO Bowl until changes are made in contracts. I'm just saying that the Belk Bowl is the only other one I could see unless stars aligned otherwise. I would also think if we were going elsewhere that App would say something publicly to hold off on travel plans. Many App fans are likely making plans for NO already. Everything in the SBC game notes each week says NO Bowl. Until they say otherwise it has to be NO Bowl.

If that is what you meant, OK. That’s not what you said. You said that we are going to NO and there was not other option. Paraphrasing of course. You didn’t provide caveats.

Nobody has said this but don't you think politics from ACC who prefer another P5 or AAC team instead of a G5?

[Appstate88]

I expected we would be 8-4 or 9-3. This team did it better than we have done it before. Congrats to all fellow Mountaineers! 12-1. 4X Conference Champs, 2X P5 wins, Damn proud to be a Mountaineer.

I am very proud no question but you were one of a few posters who seemed to feel we could go 8-4. I am sincerely asking. What made you think that? This roster was loaded. I felt like if Drink went 8-4 he should be fired. This was a SBC Championship roster and only injuries to key players would have made me accept not winning it. I felt like 9-3 was the absolute worst case and that was if injuries and a couple bad bounces went against us.

I believed bringing in 6 new coaches would mean we would not be able to sustain the level of excellence we have had the past 4 years. 11-2, 9-4, 10-3, 11-2. So glad we are the first NC FBS team to EVER win 12 games in a season. Go Apps!

[AppStFan1]

I expected we would be 8-4 or 9-3. This team did it better than we have done it before. Congrats to all fellow Mountaineers! 12-1. 4X Conference Champs, 2X P5 wins, Damn proud to be a Mountaineer.

I am very proud no question but you were one of a few posters who seemed to feel we could go 8-4. I am sincerely asking. What made you think that? This roster was loaded. I felt like if Drink went 8-4 he should be fired. This was a SBC Championship roster and only injuries to key players would have made me accept not winning it. I felt like 9-3 was the absolute worst case and that was if injuries and a couple bad bounces went against us.

I believed bringing in 6 new coaches would mean we would not be able to sustain the level of excellence we have had the past 4 years. 11-2, 9-4, 10-3, 11-2. So glad we are the first NC FBS team to EVER win 12 games in a season. Go Apps!

I can see why some think that but we had too much talent not to. I mean look at today we put up 45 without our best WR and TE and still no Peoples. We have too much depth for me to lower expectations. This is partly why I hope we promote someone on the current staff if Drink leaves this year or next year because that is the easiest way to keep from losing an entire class. My big fear about Drink leaving is that he would take 1/4 of our commits with him and we would lose more than half of them unless we keep several on the current staff.

[AppSt94]

I doubt any of our commits are SEC worthy and even if a couple actually are, it would not be a good look from a Hog fan’s perspective, that they flipped a SB recruit. We lost Satt last year and kept all but three guys, two flips to P5 and his QB. You should probably go to bed.

[appstatealum]

Y'all funny.

To validate AppSt94, I'm hearing a lot of things surrounding the Belk Bowl as well. Sounds like because the potential $$ is substantial enough for RnL, Belk, Sunbelt, App and other teams involved, there was enough to talk about. These Bowls want to make money and they have a perfect storn of things that happened this year for some talks to happen. Will it happen? I guess we will find out tomorrow, but I think the SEC will be the roadblock in getting this done.

On the flip, AppStfan1 does a great job just stating facts and posting data and giving his commentary on it. I don't get why he receives so much vitriol.

[AppStFan1]

I doubt any of our commits are SEC worthy and even if a couple actually are, it would not be a good look from a Hog fan’s perspective, that they flipped a SB recruit. We lost Satt last year and kept all but three guys, two flips to P5 and his QB. You should probably go to bed.

Question then. Knowing we have several players on our current team who are NFL caliber and could play in the SEC then why would this class be ranked higher than previous ones if we don't have any who could play in the SEC? I'm pretty sure Drink thinks we have some guys who are steals and are good enough to play in the SEC and ACC. I am not saying we are loaded with a top 30 class but we have some good ones. I would imagine that 3-4 of our guys would be solid SEC commits.

[AppStFan1]

Y'all funny.

To validate AppSt94, I'm hearing a lot of things surrounding the Belk Bowl as well. Sounds like because the potential $$ is substantial enough for RnL, Belk, Sunbelt, App and other teams involved, there was enough to talk about. These Bowls want to make money and they have a perfect storn of things that happened this year for some talks to happen. Will it happen? I guess we will find out tomorrow, but I think the SEC will be the roadblock in getting this done.

On the flip, AppStfan1 does a great job just stating facts and posting data and giving his commentary on it. I don't get why he receives so much vitriol.

I have been hearing talk to but like you I think the SEC and even the ACC will be roadblocks here as well. I'm sure the Belk Bowl would be happy with us.

And thank you. I will say that AppSt94 has recruiting contacts on the staff and I don't dabble in recruiting at all. I would say go by him if he says something different from any of us on recruits. He is the go to guy there.

However, I do know some people in the profession who sit in press boxes and have come on campus. I'm pretty sure most people don't want to think anything from a message board poster is legit.

People need to remember that facts don't care about our feelings. I love our team and I think we are good but I don't believe in blowing smoke.

I use a wording incorrectly one time and get called out but anytime I had inside info or was right in projecting something some posters seem to ignore. I'm just trying to post actual facts and info that helps predict this type of stuff. If someone can show me evidence that the committee would likely pick us then I want to see it. I want to go to the Cotton Bowl but I know it will not happen.

[AppStFan1]

247 sports article projecting the CFP:

https://247sports.com/LongFormArticle/c ... 40066337_4

[shortfatoldapp]

I’ve been thinking about this for a time now! Why does everyone consider Memphis better than us? As I look at there schedule they beat a 4-8 ole Miss team. Ok they beat fairly good teams SMU Cincinnati twice, and Navy. We BEAT two P5 teams, both on the road- one a bowl team, 10 win La twice. We both beat S Ala an ULM equally bad! What’s the deal? Ultimately we PLAY the stinking games to...SEE WHO WINS. We play football at APP STATE not POLITICS !!!!!!!

[Rekdiver]

Our resume is better for sure

[EastHallApp]

I’ve been thinking about this for a time now! Why does everyone consider Memphis better than us? As I look at there schedule they beat a 4-8 ole Miss team. Ok they beat fairly good teams SMU Cincinnati twice, and Navy. We BEAT two P5 teams, both on the road- one a bowl team, 10 win La twice. We both beat S Ala an ULM equally bad! What’s the deal? Ultimately we PLAY the stinking games to...SEE WHO WINS. We play football at APP STATE not POLITICS !!!!!!!

Our OOC schedule was better for sure. Their in-conference resume was better, and it seems that is making up the difference and then some.

I think it’s probably fair to say their resume is a little better than ours. I’m not sure that means their team is actually better.

[Mjohn1988]

I’ve been thinking about this for a time now! Why does everyone consider Memphis better than us? As I look at there schedule they beat a 4-8 ole Miss team. Ok they beat fairly good teams SMU Cincinnati twice, and Navy. We BEAT two P5 teams, both on the road- one a bowl team, 10 win La twice. We both beat S Ala an ULM equally bad! What’s the deal? Ultimately we PLAY the stinking games to...SEE WHO WINS. We play football at APP STATE not POLITICS !!!!!!!

There is really no way to say the AAC teams are better than us. What we”re going to find out today is that the committee isn’t going to put a Sunbelt team in the NY6 game. We either have to get in the AAC or find a way to play AAC teams in our OOC schedule. Twelve and one with two P5 wins should have us in the Cotton Bowl.

[AppStFan1]

I’ve been thinking about this for a time now! Why does everyone consider Memphis better than us? As I look at there schedule they beat a 4-8 ole Miss team. Ok they beat fairly good teams SMU Cincinnati twice, and Navy. We BEAT two P5 teams, both on the road- one a bowl team, 10 win La twice. We both beat S Ala an ULM equally bad! What’s the deal? Ultimately we PLAY the stinking games to...SEE WHO WINS. We play football at APP STATE not POLITICS !!!!!!!

Our OOC schedule was better for sure. Their in-conference resume was better, and it seems that is making up the difference and then some.

I think it’s probably fair to say their resume is a little better than ours. I’m not sure that means their team is actually better.

The thing that is impressive about our OOC resume for a G5 team is 2 P5 road wins and one of them is against a SEC team. However, that SEC team is not good and it was close. Our loss to Georgia Southern at home really sticks out as well. I'm pretty confident had we beat them that we would have a legit argument but with that loss the only way we had a prayer was a blowout win over ULL and a loss by Memphis and Boise State. None of that happened so I get why the committee is taking Memphis.

I agree with some of you that we may be, probably are better, but you have to look at resume.

Here are the resumes on who teams beat and lost to.

Memphis- 12-1, AAC Champ, Beat a top 25 Cincy team twice, P5 win over Ole Miss, and they beat SMU who had been ranked. Their lone loss is a close game to Temple who was receiving votes a lot of this year. Temple has a winning record. They really should have won and only lost by 2.

App State- 12-1, SBC Champ, Beat receiving votes Louisiana twice, 1 loss to unranked Georgia Southern (7-5), 2 P5 road wins vs UNC (6-6) and losing record South Carolina.

Boise State- 12-1, MWC Champ, Beat Hawaii twice who was receiving votes. 1 P5 win against Florida State (6-6), Beat #25 Air Force, 1 loss to 7-4 BYU.

Just on paper I would have to go with Memphis.

[AppStFan1]

I’ve been thinking about this for a time now! Why does everyone consider Memphis better than us? As I look at there schedule they beat a 4-8 ole Miss team. Ok they beat fairly good teams SMU Cincinnati twice, and Navy. We BEAT two P5 teams, both on the road- one a bowl team, 10 win La twice. We both beat S Ala an ULM equally bad! What’s the deal? Ultimately we PLAY the stinking games to...SEE WHO WINS. We play football at APP STATE not POLITICS !!!!!!!

There is really no way to say the AAC teams are better than us. What we”re going to find out today is that the committee isn’t going to put a Sunbelt team in the NY6 game. We either have to get in the AAC or find a way to play AAC teams in our OOC schedule. Twelve and one with two P5 wins should have us in the Cotton Bowl.

We really have 3 things keeping our resume from being perfect.

1. Loss to unranked Georgia Southern 7-5.
2. Almost lost to a bad 4-8 South Carolina team. Really needed to win by double digits and make a statement
3. A lot of slow starts

If we flipped those 3 things we would be in.

[Black Saturday]

I’ve been thinking about this for a time now! Why does everyone consider Memphis better than us? As I look at there schedule they beat a 4-8 ole Miss team. Ok they beat fairly good teams SMU Cincinnati twice, and Navy. We BEAT two P5 teams, both on the road- one a bowl team, 10 win La twice. We both beat S Ala an ULM equally bad! What’s the deal? Ultimately we PLAY the stinking games to...SEE WHO WINS. We play football at APP STATE not POLITICS !!!!!!!

There is really no way to say the AAC teams are better than us. What we”re going to find out today is that the committee isn’t going to put a Sunbelt team in the NY6 game. We either have to get in the AAC or find a way to play AAC teams in our OOC schedule. Twelve and one with two P5 wins should have us in the Cotton Bowl.

We really have 3 things keeping our resume from being perfect.

1. Loss to unranked Georgia Southern 7-5.
2. Almost lost to a bad 4-8 South Carolina team. Really needed to win by double digits and make a statement
3. A lot of slow starts

If we flipped those 3 things we would be in.

The CFP isn't exactly transparent.

[WASU 93]

I’ve been thinking about this for a time now! Why does everyone consider Memphis better than us? As I look at there schedule they beat a 4-8 ole Miss team. Ok they beat fairly good teams SMU Cincinnati twice, and Navy. We BEAT two P5 teams, both on the road- one a bowl team, 10 win La twice. We both beat S Ala an ULM equally bad! What’s the deal? Ultimately we PLAY the stinking games to...SEE WHO WINS. We play football at APP STATE not POLITICS !!!!!!!

There is really no way to say the AAC teams are better than us. What we”re going to find out today is that the committee isn’t going to put a Sunbelt team in the NY6 game. We either have to get in the AAC or find a way to play AAC teams in our OOC schedule. Twelve and one with two P5 wins should have us in the Cotton Bowl.

I think the AAC is looked at as a stronger conference overall.
The Sagarin Ratings are just one measurement, however:

AAC West Rated as the 8th best conference
AAC East Rated at the 12th best conference

Looking at the bottom half of their conference:
#61 Tulane 6-6
#73 Houston 4-8
#78 Tulsa 4-8
#98 USF 4-8
#135 ECU 4-8
#181 UCONN 2-10

Sun Belt East rated as the 13th best conference
Sun Belt West rated as the 18th best conference

Bottom half of the Belt:
#111 Ga. State 7-5
#112 La-Monroe 5-7
#127 Coastal 5-7
#150 Texas St. 3-9
#155 S. Alabama 2-8

Their division rate higher and their 7-10 teams rate higher than our 6th place team.

Memphis and Cincinnati may not be better than App. State, but the feeling is that their conference wins on average are against tougher opponents.

(Plus, it doesn't hurt that they market themselves as a P6 and push their agenda as being the top G5 conference)