What are the "ugly truths" about the football program?

[BambooRdApp]

I certainly hope a coach would go to admin with this before going to facebook. I also question why he would ever go to facebook with it.

It’s not a coach. It’s Thornton gentry’s dad.

I thought someone said his dad was a coach.

I believe the dad, who posted on FB, is a high school football coach.

[DenverOfTheEast]

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If this is true it is absolutely unacceptable and is definitely part of the reason for our suck.

I have a lot of thoughts about this.
1:we give them a full scholarship and probably NIL. Is it Apps responsibility to feed them every single meal year round?
2: they mentioned that they tried to purchase a meal plan but was told they couldn’t because he lived off campus. I don’t know who told him that or if someone actually did, but either way, it’s incorrect. Anyone can buy a meal plan. There are a lot of options for plans both on and off campus students.

Yes nutrition is very important and I know we require a lot of very specific diets, but again is it reasonable to expect someone else to pay for every meal you eat for 3-5 years just because you play a sport?

It’s not about what App is and isn’t responsible for. It’s about the program doing everything it can to operate at the highest level. You would never find a nutrition situation like this at a school like Boise, and especially true higher up the food chain you go.

Now this is an UGLY TRUTH. If you can't feed the players properly - and #TEAMCLARK had to endure this?!?

What are we even talking about with all these expectations and blah blah -- This is a freaking AD problem of an Ugly Truth and needs to be moved to another thread.

This exposes all of my many many post about #TeamClark not getting the support he deserved from the Admin.

Now you have parents speaking out for players -- FINALLY!

DG is failing the student athletes and the coaches giving them no chance to be successful.

[Pikapp79]

How did they get so chunky without eating?

[BambooRdApp]

How did they get so chunky without eating?

Evidently Ben & Jerry's and Milky Ways

[Stonewall]

Someone needs a nap.

[MrCraig]

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If this is true it is absolutely unacceptable and is definitely part of the reason for our suck.

I have a lot of thoughts about this.
1:we give them a full scholarship and probably NIL. Is it Apps responsibility to feed them every single meal year round?
2: they mentioned that they tried to purchase a meal plan but was told they couldn’t because he lived off campus. I don’t know who told him that or if someone actually did, but either way, it’s incorrect. Anyone can buy a meal plan. There are a lot of options for plans both on and off campus students.

Yes nutrition is very important and I know we require a lot of very specific diets, but again is it reasonable to expect someone else to pay for every meal you eat for 3-5 years just because you play a sport?

It’s not about what App is and isn’t responsible for. It’s about the program doing everything it can to operate at the highest level. You would never find a nutrition situation like this at a school like Boise, and especially true higher up the food chain you go.

Now this is an UGLY TRUTH. If you can't feed the players properly - and #TEAMCLARK had to endure this?!?

What are we even talking about with all these expectations and blah blah -- This is a freaking AD problem of an Ugly Truth and needs to be moved to another thread.

This exposes all of my many many post about #TeamClark not getting the support he deserved from the Admin.

Now you have parents speaking out for players -- FINALLY!

DG is failing the student athletes and the coaches giving them no chance to be successful.

I have a feeling that this, like most things on Facebook, isn't the whole truth. The football team/athletic department may not provide all meals, but I had a buddy at App who was a walk-on and earned a scholarship his junior and senior year. An unlimited meal plan was part of the scholarship. So, if the dining hall was open, he could get as much food as he wanted. He bought me lunch a few times with it. I highly doubt that has changed in the 12 years since I graduated.

[ASUTodd]

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If this is true it is absolutely unacceptable and is definitely part of the reason for our suck.

I have a lot of thoughts about this.
1:we give them a full scholarship and probably NIL. Is it Apps responsibility to feed them every single meal year round?
2: they mentioned that they tried to purchase a meal plan but was told they couldn’t because he lived off campus. I don’t know who told him that or if someone actually did, but either way, it’s incorrect. Anyone can buy a meal plan. There are a lot of options for plans both on and off campus students.

Yes nutrition is very important and I know we require a lot of very specific diets, but again is it reasonable to expect someone else to pay for every meal you eat for 3-5 years just because you play a sport?

It’s not about what App is and isn’t responsible for. It’s about the program doing everything it can to operate at the highest level. You would never find a nutrition situation like this at a school like Boise, and especially true higher up the food chain you go.

Now this is an UGLY TRUTH. If you can't feed the players properly - and #TEAMCLARK had to endure this?!?

What are we even talking about with all these expectations and blah blah -- This is a freaking AD problem of an Ugly Truth and needs to be moved to another thread.

This exposes all of my many many post about #TeamClark not getting the support he deserved from the Admin.

Now you have parents speaking out for players -- FINALLY!

DG is failing the student athletes and the coaches giving them no chance to be successful.

I have a feeling that this, like most things on Facebook, isn't the whole truth. The football team/athletic department may not provide all meals, but I had a buddy at App who was a walk-on and earned a scholarship his junior and senior year. An unlimited meal plan was part of the scholarship. So, if the dining hall was open, he could get as much food as he wanted. He bought me lunch a few times with it. I highly doubt that has changed in the 12 years since I graduated.

12 years.....man, its been right at 25 for me....

[canes_mj]

One thing Stonewall shared today after the Loggains news broke was that he "told us the ugly truth."

That made me think, what are the "ugly truths" about App State football that caused the team to miss bowl eligibility 2 of the last 3 years and slip from a Top 20 team over the last five years?

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To me, as someone who watched every presser and every Mountaineer Talk, it seemed that Clark didn't put himself out there as much as he should. Most other coaches have two press conferences a week. Clark just had one and staff was ready to end it after 10-12 minutes. Have a presser on Wednesday.

I think that would help build more fan trust since he could give more injury updates. One of the biggest transgressions was saying "We came out of Clemson healthy" and then 5-6 starters were out at ECU due to injury.

I also remember how much whining he later did about doing all sorts of media after the Texas A&M game. He whined in that "I had to do XX interviews this week, but it wasn't a distraction" double speak.

Clark occasionally did off-mountain radio and such, but it seemed inconsistent. I know an App alum who was scheduled to have Clark in August, but then the Santana Hopper helmet incident leaked that day and the interview was canceled. No one called them to reschedule.

I want Loggains doing every radio hit possible this week. I know he'll be portal crootin hard, but this is immense. Have him do the rounds before the Yosef Club tour this spring promoting the vents. Same after the schedule release. Before and after spring practice. Get him out there.

Another media suggestion is to have Media Day on a Saturday, not a weekday. Reach out to Charlotte, Asheville, Triad and Tri-Cities media and invite them up. Invite some national reporters to spend a day and write a "Day in the life of the App State Head Coach" bits. And make sure to not have Media Day while the leafblower is running in the background again.

Make sure to coach him to never say "all of our goals are ahead of us" and "the standards is the standard."

Take advantage of that New Coach Smell.

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There are others, such as revamping the prospect camps as I've heard negative reviews from parents whose kids went in the last 3 years.


What say you?

This isn't a Ugly truth T-Dog, this is your opinion.

Now the actual truth of your overall media interview(above post) is simply this: David Ware of App State Mania is consistently the only media coverage that covers App State football on a daily basis, recruiting, injuries, game etc.

Sure Watooga Newspaper writes some articles after games or whenever they feel their opinion matters.

Charlotte Observer doesn't come up 321 to write about App State, The WS Journal was the most consistent non mountain paper for a while and I think they cut back coverage, no one from Asheville writes.

As far as injuries that is the whole Head Coach hiding that stuff so the other team can't prepare for a missing player and the other thing is a injury is protected by HIPPA laws and really can't be publicly spoken about specifics, why on TV they say "lower leg injury" without details.

No doubt with a New Coach hire, DG will parade Dowell around the state in the Spring and all the radio shows and David Glenn stuff and Dowell will be all gun hoe for football with new energy and surely he will be opposite of Clark for sure with excitement and hope. Let's see how this is differ next Fall during the season.

They have a post game Saturday press conference and Monday press conference so technically they already have 2 a week...

App State is a regional school - It's not Clarks job or The Head Football Coach job to get press coverage - some of what you wrote is on Joey and matter fact why would Tri Cities cover App State when they ETSU? Charlotte has PRO teams, ACC teams and now Charlotte football to cover plus HS sports, same in the Triad.

Some of what you are writing is not realistic to happen unless you beat Texas AM and then everyone floods the town and leaves in 5 days... it's like the movie CARS with Radiator Springs getting passed by --

I love my movie references, What say you?

Excellent movie reference. My wife gives me a disapproving look every time I say that Lightning is a choker. Every big event, at the pivotal moment, the pressure is too much for him and he chokes away a win.

Edit: ok I didn't realize he had 7 titles; i looked it up (yes, i did lol)....so what happened? Past his prime? For some reason he's gun shy now and couldn't regain his form. No real explanation or backstory given for why he can't close out the big ones anymore. It's been a while since I've watched, so maybe I'm forgetting; we've moved on to Peppa Pig

[bcoach]

I certainly hope a coach would go to admin with this before going to facebook. I also question why he would ever go to facebook with it.

It’s not a coach. It’s Thornton gentry’s dad.

I thought someone said his dad was a coach.

I believe the dad, who posted on FB, is a high school football coach.

That is what surprised me. A coach going on FB with something like this.

[Bootsy]

I certainly hope a coach would go to admin with this before going to facebook. I also question why he would ever go to facebook with it.

It’s not a coach. It’s Thornton gentry’s dad.

I thought someone said his dad was a coach.

I believe the dad, who posted on FB, is a high school football coach.

That is what surprised me. A coach going on FB with something like this.

Ugly truths about the program? Who cares? Why keep beating a dead horse? Bury it & let’s move forward.

[DenverOfTheEast]

IMG_3483.jpeg

If this is true it is absolutely unacceptable and is definitely part of the reason for our suck.

I have a lot of thoughts about this.
1:we give them a full scholarship and probably NIL. Is it Apps responsibility to feed them every single meal year round?
2: they mentioned that they tried to purchase a meal plan but was told they couldn’t because he lived off campus. I don’t know who told him that or if someone actually did, but either way, it’s incorrect. Anyone can buy a meal plan. There are a lot of options for plans both on and off campus students.

Yes nutrition is very important and I know we require a lot of very specific diets, but again is it reasonable to expect someone else to pay for every meal you eat for 3-5 years just because you play a sport?

It’s not about what App is and isn’t responsible for. It’s about the program doing everything it can to operate at the highest level. You would never find a nutrition situation like this at a school like Boise, and especially true higher up the food chain you go.

Now this is an UGLY TRUTH. If you can't feed the players properly - and #TEAMCLARK had to endure this?!?

What are we even talking about with all these expectations and blah blah -- This is a freaking AD problem of an Ugly Truth and needs to be moved to another thread.

This exposes all of my many many post about #TeamClark not getting the support he deserved from the Admin.

Now you have parents speaking out for players -- FINALLY!

DG is failing the student athletes and the coaches giving them no chance to be successful.

I have a feeling that this, like most things on Facebook, isn't the whole truth. The football team/athletic department may not provide all meals, but I had a buddy at App who was a walk-on and earned a scholarship his junior and senior year. An unlimited meal plan was part of the scholarship. So, if the dining hall was open, he could get as much food as he wanted. He bought me lunch a few times with it. I highly doubt that has changed in the 12 years since I graduated.

Yo - a recent parent of a graduate probably more apt at knowing than a buddy that graduated over years ago. --

Boise State, Army, Liberty, Navy, Memphis have their own football dining places and I am probably missing a few other for sure, probably Marshall JMU and Louisiana in the SBC as well.

But we want or think we should be leading the Group of 5.

We can't even get our boys fed properly.

And I will not let this Ugly truth die.

[Saint3333]

And we won’t stop calling your BS BS.

[yosef69]

And we won’t stop calling your BS BS.

I don’t want to do this but.

He may be right on this one.

[311neers]

I have a lot of thoughts about this.
1:we give them a full scholarship and probably NIL. Is it Apps responsibility to feed them every single meal year round?
2: they mentioned that they tried to purchase a meal plan but was told they couldn’t because he lived off campus. I don’t know who told him that or if someone actually did, but either way, it’s incorrect. Anyone can buy a meal plan. There are a lot of options for plans both on and off campus students.

Yes nutrition is very important and I know we require a lot of very specific diets, but again is it reasonable to expect someone else to pay for every meal you eat for 3-5 years just because you play a sport?

It’s not about what App is and isn’t responsible for. It’s about the program doing everything it can to operate at the highest level. You would never find a nutrition situation like this at a school like Boise, and especially true higher up the food chain you go.

Now this is an UGLY TRUTH. If you can't feed the players properly - and #TEAMCLARK had to endure this?!?

What are we even talking about with all these expectations and blah blah -- This is a freaking AD problem of an Ugly Truth and needs to be moved to another thread.

This exposes all of my many many post about #TeamClark not getting the support he deserved from the Admin.

Now you have parents speaking out for players -- FINALLY!

DG is failing the student athletes and the coaches giving them no chance to be successful.

I have a feeling that this, like most things on Facebook, isn't the whole truth. The football team/athletic department may not provide all meals, but I had a buddy at App who was a walk-on and earned a scholarship his junior and senior year. An unlimited meal plan was part of the scholarship. So, if the dining hall was open, he could get as much food as he wanted. He bought me lunch a few times with it. I highly doubt that has changed in the 12 years since I graduated.

Yo - a recent parent of a graduate probably more apt at knowing than a buddy that graduated over years ago. --

Boise State, Army, Liberty, Navy, Memphis have their own football dining places and I am probably missing a few other for sure, probably Marshall JMU and Louisiana in the SBC as well.

But we want or think we should be leading the Group of 5.

We can't even get our boys fed properly.

And I will not let this Ugly truth die.

We spent $50M? on a new end zone facility that didn’t have its own commercial kitchen for feeding student athletes?

[Coltrane86]

It’s not about what App is and isn’t responsible for. It’s about the program doing everything it can to operate at the highest level. You would never find a nutrition situation like this at a school like Boise, and especially true higher up the food chain you go.

Now this is an UGLY TRUTH. If you can't feed the players properly - and #TEAMCLARK had to endure this?!?

What are we even talking about with all these expectations and blah blah -- This is a freaking AD problem of an Ugly Truth and needs to be moved to another thread.

This exposes all of my many many post about #TeamClark not getting the support he deserved from the Admin.

Now you have parents speaking out for players -- FINALLY!

DG is failing the student athletes and the coaches giving them no chance to be successful.

I have a feeling that this, like most things on Facebook, isn't the whole truth. The football team/athletic department may not provide all meals, but I had a buddy at App who was a walk-on and earned a scholarship his junior and senior year. An unlimited meal plan was part of the scholarship. So, if the dining hall was open, he could get as much food as he wanted. He bought me lunch a few times with it. I highly doubt that has changed in the 12 years since I graduated.

Yo - a recent parent of a graduate probably more apt at knowing than a buddy that graduated over years ago. --

Boise State, Army, Liberty, Navy, Memphis have their own football dining places and I am probably missing a few other for sure, probably Marshall JMU and Louisiana in the SBC as well.

But we want or think we should be leading the Group of 5.

We can't even get our boys fed properly.

And I will not let this Ugly truth die.

We spent $50M? on a new end zone facility that didn’t have its own commercial kitchen for feeding student athletes?

I think if this was really an issue, it would be addressed and quickly. Gillan would NOT let this ride.
Currently sounds like a mountain out of a molehill and the mole is the one making the claim.

[Stonewall]

The other students seem well fed.

[MrCraig]

Now this is an UGLY TRUTH. If you can't feed the players properly - and #TEAMCLARK had to endure this?!?

What are we even talking about with all these expectations and blah blah -- This is a freaking AD problem of an Ugly Truth and needs to be moved to another thread.

This exposes all of my many many post about #TeamClark not getting the support he deserved from the Admin.

Now you have parents speaking out for players -- FINALLY!

DG is failing the student athletes and the coaches giving them no chance to be successful.

I have a feeling that this, like most things on Facebook, isn't the whole truth. The football team/athletic department may not provide all meals, but I had a buddy at App who was a walk-on and earned a scholarship his junior and senior year. An unlimited meal plan was part of the scholarship. So, if the dining hall was open, he could get as much food as he wanted. He bought me lunch a few times with it. I highly doubt that has changed in the 12 years since I graduated.

Yo - a recent parent of a graduate probably more apt at knowing than a buddy that graduated over years ago. --

Boise State, Army, Liberty, Navy, Memphis have their own football dining places and I am probably missing a few other for sure, probably Marshall JMU and Louisiana in the SBC as well.

But we want or think we should be leading the Group of 5.

We can't even get our boys fed properly.

And I will not let this Ugly truth die.

We spent $50M? on a new end zone facility that didn’t have its own commercial kitchen for feeding student athletes?

I think if this was really an issue, it would be addressed and quickly. Gillan would NOT let this ride.
Currently sounds like a mountain out of a molehill and the mole is the one making the claim.

I just did a cursory Google, and I couldn't find anything that said any of the teams had a football-only dining hall or whatever. Liberty has a special dining hall just for football, basketball, and volleyball, but every other team he mentioned doesn't seem to have anything specific for just football. I looked up some really big programs like Georgia and Ohio State, but I'm pretty sure there aren't a lot, if any, G5 schools with football-only dining and nutrition programs.

[Appst86]

How did they get so chunky without eating?

[Saint3333]

With all the needs of the program we are singling out a sports only dining facility? Our athletes have access to get thousands of quality calories everyday and have since the Satterfield days.

Imagine the utopian vision of those that love to spend other people's money.

[DenverOfTheEast]

It’s not about what App is and isn’t responsible for. It’s about the program doing everything it can to operate at the highest level. You would never find a nutrition situation like this at a school like Boise, and especially true higher up the food chain you go.

Now this is an UGLY TRUTH. If you can't feed the players properly - and #TEAMCLARK had to endure this?!?

What are we even talking about with all these expectations and blah blah -- This is a freaking AD problem of an Ugly Truth and needs to be moved to another thread.

This exposes all of my many many post about #TeamClark not getting the support he deserved from the Admin.

Now you have parents speaking out for players -- FINALLY!

DG is failing the student athletes and the coaches giving them no chance to be successful.

I have a feeling that this, like most things on Facebook, isn't the whole truth. The football team/athletic department may not provide all meals, but I had a buddy at App who was a walk-on and earned a scholarship his junior and senior year. An unlimited meal plan was part of the scholarship. So, if the dining hall was open, he could get as much food as he wanted. He bought me lunch a few times with it. I highly doubt that has changed in the 12 years since I graduated.

Yo - a recent parent of a graduate probably more apt at knowing than a buddy that graduated over years ago. --

Boise State, Army, Liberty, Navy, Memphis have their own football dining places and I am probably missing a few other for sure, probably Marshall JMU and Louisiana in the SBC as well.

But we want or think we should be leading the Group of 5.

We can't even get our boys fed properly.

And I will not let this Ugly truth die.

We spent $50M? on a new end zone facility that didn’t have its own commercial kitchen for feeding student athletes?

Nope but we put a fancy barber chair and nice place to sell merchandise only on game days......