East Tower

[Saint3333]

Construction costs three years ago were ~20-30% less than they are today. Unless the cost/seat has increased proportionally those returns won't pencil out the same.

Which is why the break even point is further out than previously anticipated. Of course, ticket prices are likely to rise (as they have with most other seats in the stadium), which will offset that some.

There’s a huge pent up demand for premium seating options in Boone, hence the wait lists for all club, suite, and NEZ seats. Those options are money makers for the program in more ways than just seat costs. They generate concession dollars (which are high margin) at a greater rate than standard seats.

I hope we are showing fiscal responsibility in our models.

[BeauFoster]

Construction costs three years ago were ~20-30% less than they are today. Unless the cost/seat has increased proportionally those returns won't pencil out the same.

Which is why the break even point is further out than previously anticipated. Of course, ticket prices are likely to rise (as they have with most other seats in the stadium), which will offset that some.

There’s a huge pent up demand for premium seating options in Boone, hence the wait lists for all club, suite, and NEZ seats. Those options are money makers for the program in more ways than just seat costs. They generate concession dollars (which are high margin) at a greater rate than standard seats.

I hope we are showing fiscal responsibility in our models.

I would certainly hope so too. I haven’t seen them (and wouldn’t expect to be shown even if I asked), but I assume that it would be part of the approval process for the state.

The CFB and collegiate athletics landscape has changed significantly since the project was first proposed. I hope that is factored in, as well. Additional revenue is needed to stay competitive, but does that mean we need more premium seats? Those numbers are above my pay grade.

[ArmantiWaterSafety]

I have a feeling 8 million in soft commitments is not even a scratch of the surface on this project that is likely $100 million once it's all said and done. I guess interest rates (likely) coming down help, but I do have my worries. Then again, I have my worries about college as a whole, so who knows.

[appgrad95&97]

Setting aside the financing, which is a big issue. How will this be done? When the West tower was built, they cut into the hill behind the stadium to make room for the tower. The East side concourse is pretty narrow and don't know how much usable space there is between the stadium and Stadium Dr.

[BeauFoster]

Original renderings had it going almost right up to Stadium Drive, with a retaining wall similar to the west side. It also overhangs the east deck by a small amount, covering maybe 3-4 rows. Stadium Drive does not appear to be rerouted. The concourse would probably be a bit narrower, but there would be 2 levels of concourse with the building in place (so people in the deck would have their own bathrooms and concessions). But again, those were 3+ years ago and things could have changed.

[AppState89]

I don’t know the answer to your first question, but for the second, our folks aren’t in any hurry to complete the bottom portion of the North End Zone. They believe among other things that temporary bleachers in that area give them flexibility to host large events. Personally, I believe that’s a mistake. The new Indoor Practice Facility should suffice nicely in that regard. A finished lower NEZ coupled with the East Side Tower would go a long way toward making Kidd Brewer one of the finest facilities among G6 programs.

Permanent seats with real restrooms and concessions would be a huge upgrade. It's hard to justify charging the same price for those seats as the others.

Boise State has great bathrooms. Probably 20+ urinals, so the line went really fast.

[BambooRdApp]

I don’t know the answer to your first question, but for the second, our folks aren’t in any hurry to complete the bottom portion of the North End Zone. They believe among other things that temporary bleachers in that area give them flexibility to host large events. Personally, I believe that’s a mistake. The new Indoor Practice Facility should suffice nicely in that regard. A finished lower NEZ coupled with the East Side Tower would go a long way toward making Kidd Brewer one of the finest facilities among G6 programs.

Permanent seats with real restrooms and concessions would be a huge upgrade. It's hard to justify charging the same price for those seats as the others.

Boise State has great bathrooms. Probably 20+ urinals, so the line went really fast.

And I can confirm.. ice in cups

[pop5app]

Since it appears the decision has already been made, I’ll make this my final post about it. Taking the state of College Athletics into account I feel this is not a wise way forward. Total chaos in college sports and unknown where we will be once the project is completed. Do we really think, at this point, spending $100-200 million, in this manner, is best?

[EastHallApp]

Original renderings had it going almost right up to Stadium Drive, with a retaining wall similar to the west side. It also overhangs the east deck by a small amount, covering maybe 3-4 rows. Stadium Drive does not appear to be rerouted. The concourse would probably be a bit narrower, but there would be 2 levels of concourse with the building in place (so people in the deck would have their own bathrooms and concessions). But again, those were 3+ years ago and things could have changed.

That's good to hear. Multi-level concourse would be a must for this project IMO. Those concourses already get overcrowded as it is, even the open walkway at the top of Miller Hill.

[Tru2ASU]

Original renditions could alter greatly, that's a fundraising tool used after beating Texas A&M. What was drawn and what actually happens could differ significantly.

[BambooRdApp]

IMHO, this project is a very important variable as to whether App. St. football is very relevant in football as we can be at fbs level and the SBC conference (or another conference) 7 to 10 years from now.

Hopefully, it will get support

[Bootsy]

Regardless of where the financial commitment and timeframes end up, let’s hope more fiscal responsibility is demonstrated on this project than what we saw with NEZ.

[311neers]

Too bad we can’t just raze the east side and start over to eliminate that erector set look. If only I had won that $1.8 billion dollar powerball last month.

We most certainly can.
Need to wait until we have the money. Blow the whole east side and move it closer to the field to create more room (put the tower behind). I hope that’s the plan. With the new indoors, we don’t need 25 yards of sideline on each side AND the NEZ 25 yard areas.

Once that’s done, do it to the West side as well. Move the stands closer to the field to make more room for concourses. Tower can stay put behind.

[appdaze]

At some point we are going to have to bowl in the hill for more seating and money. I would have done thay before the east side.

Mimic the north side with an upper deck of premium seating and boxes overlooking the field and Howard's Knob. The plumbing and electrical has already been run though more may be needed.

Make concrete riser style seats below for the GA and hopefully the Frats/Sororities take it over and make it a ruckus student section. Then give bathrooms in the understanding deck walk through as well as concessions.

If it attached right I made a super quick mock up. Ignore the out of place field goal. I didn't have the time to remove it or position everything perfectly. But you'll get the idea.

They could even make it a cabin/wood themed building. Box seats in the cabin.

[canes_mj]

Anyone have pics or links of the original renderings? I know they'll change but it's been a while and I want to glance at them again.

I go back and forth on this...good points on both sides. The changing landscape of CFB could make this unwise to do now, or just the opposite, better do it now in order to make ourselves the most attractive we can and best position ourselves to end up in our best possible place.

Personally I would like to see them add more club seats and suites/boxes in the lower unfilled area of the NEZ where the temporary bleachers are first. It could be done quicker, cheaper, and raise more revenue sooner in order to help with the East Tower down the road. But, I'm good with the current plan...I like it.

[WASU 93]

At some point we are going to have to bowl in the hill for more seating and money. I would have done thay before the east side.

Mimic the north side with an upper deck of premium seating and boxes overlooking the field and Howard's Knob. The plumbing and electrical has already been run though more may be needed.

Make concrete riser style seats below for the GA and hopefully the Frats/Sororities take it over and make it a ruckus student section. Then give bathrooms in the understanding deck walk through as well as concessions.

If it attached right I made a super quick mock up. Ignore the out of place field goal. I didn't have the time to remove it or position everything perfectly. But you'll get the idea.

They could even make it a cabin/wood themed building. Box seats in the cabin.

The hill is occupied by students now. (And, realistically our crowds are 30-35% students) While they pay fees, they don’t buy tickets. Investing in seating on the hill, probably lowers capacity and does not guarantee increased ticket revenue.

[appdaze]

At some point we are going to have to bowl in the hill for more seating and money. I would have done thay before the east side.

Mimic the north side with an upper deck of premium seating and boxes overlooking the field and Howard's Knob. The plumbing and electrical has already been run though more may be needed.

Make concrete riser style seats below for the GA and hopefully the Frats/Sororities take it over and make it a ruckus student section. Then give bathrooms in the understanding deck walk through as well as concessions.

If it attached right I made a super quick mock up. Ignore the out of place field goal. I didn't have the time to remove it or position everything perfectly. But you'll get the idea.

They could even make it a cabin/wood themed building. Box seats in the cabin.

The hill is occupied by students now. (And, realistically our crowds are 30-35% students) While they pay fees, they don’t buy tickets. Investing in seating on the hill, probably lowers capacity and does not guarantee increased ticket revenue.

Some students would migrate to the new seating from the student section and creating more GA opens up more public seating, so yes it does create more revenue. Also, the box seating on the top would add to current revenue.

Placing actual seats would indeed lower the seating capacity. Adding concrete riser style stadium seats would add to the seating capacity by giving a stair stepped, flat areas in which students could crown in even more than they are capable of doing with a sloped hill.