Could ACC be snubbed and SBC get in CFP?

[AppStFan1]

The only bowl spot open is versus Georgia Southern in Birmingham on Monday, Dec. 29.

We might be asked.

We don't deserve it. Hope we don't get asked or turn it down if we are.

How do you know what the players deserve? Seniors. Walk ons. Freshman. Backups. Would they not deserve an opportunity?

First of all any senior who is trying to play pro ball should not risk the injury for a meaningless game. Second, a 5-7 team should not be playing in the postseason. Giving everyone a participation trophy just deludes actual accomplishment. You see all the 5-7 teams who have declined bowls? They feel the same way I do. Notre Dame does not even see the point. If it is not the CFP then it is really pointless to be honest. So many players are in the portal, just decide to sit out, etc. Many of the star players don't play and I don't blame them.

Not a problem for us. No pro players.

I agree with you but I would expect most of our seniors to train and give it a shot. There will be around 3,000+ players who workout and pursue the NFL even though less than half of them will actually get a chance.

[moonshine]

Definitely don’t deserve a bowl game but any player that doesn’t want to play more ball should probably hit the portal. After what I observed this past season, this team needs reps together.

If you turn it down, it’s no longer “Anybody, Anywhere, Anytime.” I’d like to keep that tradition.

[kornegaylw]

Iowa St
Kansas St
Baylor
Notre Dame

All have opted out of bowls.
Bowl season might be toast.

A football NIT will come along if bowls go away...there will be too much dead TV air to fill

Players will still opt out. With the portal window and players needing time to take visits, bowl games are pretty stupid now. The best thing to do is expand the playoff to 24 teams, give every conference an auto-bid, and begin the playoffs in early December and just space the title game 2 weeks after the semis or something.

Fine...

Lets hope JMU beasts Oregon so the P4 homers can shut up about "G5s can't compete".

[AppStFan1]

Iowa St
Kansas St
Baylor
Notre Dame

All have opted out of bowls.
Bowl season might be toast.

A football NIT will come along if bowls go away...there will be too much dead TV air to fill

Players will still opt out. With the portal window and players needing time to take visits, bowl games are pretty stupid now. The best thing to do is expand the playoff to 24 teams, give every conference an auto-bid, and begin the playoffs in early December and just space the title game 2 weeks after the semis or something.

Fine...

Lets hope JMU beasts Oregon so the P4 homers can shut up about "G5s can't compete".

Really need JMU to beat Oregon or play close. If they lose badly then it will hurt the Sun Belt in the future without a team having some P4 wins. We need them to represent our league well.

[t4pizza]

I actually think the committee got the right teams in this year under the parameters that they work with. I have no problem with 2 G6 teams making the field. But I also don’t pretend that either could compete with any of the other team’s schedules. Nobody ever thought that 2 G6 teams would make it, but they just did. Everyone who thinks the rules will now change to prevent it in the future just remember that all conferences and Noter Dame have a vote. The Sun Belt gets a vote just the same as the SEC gets a vote, now the SEC clearly has more power to influence other votes but they only get a vote. If the other conferences all take a hard stand and stop being bullied by the SEC and BIG10 (18), then who knows what can happens. The Bug 12 and ACC need to realize that their interests align more with the G6 at the end of the day than with the big 2.

I'm not sure if any changes need to be unanimous anymore but I don't know the full details. My understanding is SEC and Big Ten now have a larger say but that's all I know.

From the proposals I have seen, they are still keeping at least spot open for the G5/G6 (when Pac-12 reforms).

The ACC and their members could have prevented this from happening in numerous ways. UVA could have beaten Duke. SMU could have beaten Cal. Duke could have beaten Uconn and Tulane. The conference could have selected better tiebreaks to give Miami or GT a spot in title game. The issue isn't necessarily with the playoff structure. It's because one of the power conferences dropped the ball. If they fix that and actually perform like they are supposed to given their reputation, then James Madison goes goes to New Orleans or Boca Raton and no one has to wring their hands over restructuring of the playoff format.

Pretty sure all conference and Notre Dame get equal votes. The SEC and Big10 tried to usurp more power but it didn’t pass. All the conferences are equal in votes.

Again I don't have full details but I think something has changed to give more weighting to Big Ten/SEC. Below is a sample quote from one article in the New York Times on future playoff formats.

"The new CFP contracts that go into effect after this season give the Big Ten and SEC the final say over the future of the format — though they do require the two richest conferences to seek input from the others"

The above is very vague so I don't know how much "input" is required from the other conferences even if somehow the Big Ten/SEC have final say.

I know what you are talking about, I remember hearing and reading about it as well, just not sure it got finalized. Looking at the College Football Playoff website, it shows the governance as all conferences and Notre Dame. It doesn't specifically say they all have equal votes but seems that way to me. I haven't found anything that specifically spells out that SEC and BIG10 have greater voting rights. It could be, I just can't find a concrete answer to that and there is no mention of it on the official website. Here is a link about the governance.

https://collegefootballplayoff.com/spor ... nance.aspx

[JTApps1]

Iowa St
Kansas St
Baylor
Notre Dame

All have opted out of bowls.
Bowl season might be toast.

This has been the endgame ever since opt outs for players became a normalized thing. And I'm for it. Make the threshold 8 wins.

Agreed. Have a 16 team playoff with 15-20 bowls at most. Make then actually mean something.

[AppInDC]

I actually think the committee got the right teams in this year under the parameters that they work with. I have no problem with 2 G6 teams making the field. But I also don’t pretend that either could compete with any of the other team’s schedules. Nobody ever thought that 2 G6 teams would make it, but they just did. Everyone who thinks the rules will now change to prevent it in the future just remember that all conferences and Noter Dame have a vote. The Sun Belt gets a vote just the same as the SEC gets a vote, now the SEC clearly has more power to influence other votes but they only get a vote. If the other conferences all take a hard stand and stop being bullied by the SEC and BIG10 (18), then who knows what can happens. The Bug 12 and ACC need to realize that their interests align more with the G6 at the end of the day than with the big 2.

I'm not sure if any changes need to be unanimous anymore but I don't know the full details. My understanding is SEC and Big Ten now have a larger say but that's all I know.

From the proposals I have seen, they are still keeping at least spot open for the G5/G6 (when Pac-12 reforms).

The ACC and their members could have prevented this from happening in numerous ways. UVA could have beaten Duke. SMU could have beaten Cal. Duke could have beaten Uconn and Tulane. The conference could have selected better tiebreaks to give Miami or GT a spot in title game. The issue isn't necessarily with the playoff structure. It's because one of the power conferences dropped the ball. If they fix that and actually perform like they are supposed to given their reputation, then James Madison goes goes to New Orleans or Boca Raton and no one has to wring their hands over restructuring of the playoff format.

Pretty sure all conference and Notre Dame get equal votes. The SEC and Big10 tried to usurp more power but it didn’t pass. All the conferences are equal in votes.

Again I don't have full details but I think something has changed to give more weighting to Big Ten/SEC. Below is a sample quote from one article in the New York Times on future playoff formats.

"The new CFP contracts that go into effect after this season give the Big Ten and SEC the final say over the future of the format — though they do require the two richest conferences to seek input from the others"

The above is very vague so I don't know how much "input" is required from the other conferences even if somehow the Big Ten/SEC have final say.

I know what you are talking about, I remember hearing and reading about it as well, just not sure it got finalized. Looking at the College Football Playoff website, it shows the governance as all conferences and Notre Dame. It doesn't specifically say they all have equal votes but seems that way to me. I haven't found anything that specifically spells out that SEC and BIG10 have greater voting rights. It could be, I just can't find a concrete answer to that and there is no mention of it on the official website. Here is a link about the governance.

https://collegefootballplayoff.com/spor ... nance.aspx

This article is from early 2024 but has more details than I have seen in other places. Paywall if not Athletic subscriber.

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/534314 ... nue-split/

It still seems vague but it locked in some protections for ACC, Big 12, and the rest of he conferences through 2031 but SEC and Big Ten will basically have say to revise within that framework. My understanding since then is Big Ten and SEC aren't totally aligned so they may be unable to make changes in time for next year.

[rbarthle17]

Iowa St
Kansas St
Baylor
Notre Dame

All have opted out of bowls.
Bowl season might be toast.

This has been the endgame ever since opt outs for players became a normalized thing. And I'm for it. Make the threshold 8 wins.

Agreed. Have a 16 team playoff with 15-20 bowls at most. Make then actually mean something.

Given what ND just did, I'm not sure today that the bowl system is going to survive much longer as a whole. They may expand to 16 teams, and that's it for FBS football postseason. The meaningfulness of a bowl game is now firmly a relic of the past.

[spacemonkey]

It is going to expand to 16 and a 16 team NIT. This is where it is headed. G6 conference champs automatic in the NIT. It will be worded as such.

CFP to rated 16 teams in the country. NIT all conference champs not making the CFP and the next 17-25 ratings.

[Saint3333]

It is going to expand to 16 and a 16 team NIT. This is where it is headed. G6 conference champs automatic in the NIT. It will be worded as such.

CFP to rated 16 teams in the country. NIT all conference champs not making the CFP and the next 17-25 ratings.

Told a co-worker this almost exactly this morning. Tease this out:

Indiana vs. USC
Ohio St. vs. Utah
UGA vs. Vandy
TT vs. Texas
Oregon vs. BYU
Ole Miss vs. ND
TAMU vs. Miami
OU vs. Bama

AZ vs. Kenn. State
Michigan vs. Western Mich
UVA vs Tennessee
Tulane vs. Duke
UH vs. Boise
GT vs. Navy
Iowa vs. Mizz
JMU vs. North Texas

[GreatAppSt]

Teams opting out of bowls.

Too late for us to play in one?

Notre Dame said no thanks. Declined bowl invite.

took their ball and went home.

ND Fans today at work!!

[Yosefus]

Iowa St
Kansas St
Baylor
Notre Dame

All have opted out of bowls.
Bowl season might be toast.

A football NIT will come along if bowls go away...there will be too much dead TV air to fill

Players will still opt out. With the portal window and players needing time to take visits, bowl games are pretty stupid now. The best thing to do is expand the playoff to 24 teams, give every conference an auto-bid, and begin the playoffs in early December and just space the title game 2 weeks after the semis or something.

Fine...

Lets hope JMU beasts Oregon so the P4 homers can shut up about "G5s can't compete".

Hate it but I agree. JMU has a better shot to beat Oregon than Tulane does Ole Miss. Both really need to win 1st round at least.

[Bigdaddyg1]

Basketball teams every year say no thanks to the NIT. That went from a significant end of season tournament to a joke. Teams used to hang banners or some sort of plaque in their stadium for bowl wins. Was there any mention in P4 games this year referencing a prior year Gator Bowl win? Will teams ranked around 17-20 opt out of an NIT and pay a fine because they got snubbed?

I don’t believe that March Madness needs to be expanded but if they do I think one round of regional play in games on Tuesday and Wednesday of the first week could be exciting. Award regular season champs in every conference instead of letting a team who had a 3 day run get in. Imagine a playin game in Boone between App and maybe High Point or another good local team.

For football basically do the same thing. Get rid of conference championship games altogether. Award the top 8 with a bye and then the next 16 ranked play the playin games. If any team isn’t a top 24 they don’t deserve a shot anyway. The P4 will still play G5’s because they don’t want to be a Texas.

[appbroker20]

Would it be possible to have some sort of relation & promotion structure if there is multiple tournaments? Something more similar to the Premier league structure where you have a tiered system where the top competitors of a league get promoted into a more difficult group and the under performers are kicked down to a lower level. Each would have revenue and brand implications. So for example, if you are a Mizzou of old, you can get regulated down into an ACC Or sunbelt until you build back your capabilities. That way you’re not going 2-6 in conf play every year and it gives actual stakes to all teams. The bottom tier has something the work to. The top tier has something to avoid. You could partner conferences to create the system. You could partner existing conferences for a tiered system SEC/ACC/Sun Belt could create a three tier setup. Each with their own playoff tournament. Regular season games mean more for fear or demotion. Post season means either promotion or for the Sec season winner, a chance to play the B10/B12/AAC champ. Just an idea. Obv that not all the existing conferences but similar to BB each AAA would have more clubs in total than the Majors. And a team like App with a solid support system and brand could find their way into the ACC and teams like ULM could be relegated to FCS. With NIL each fan base has even more incentive and ability impact the direction of their team.

[Saint3333]

Hate it but I agree. JMU has a better shot to beat Oregon than Tulane does Ole Miss. Both really need to win 1st round at least.

FPI says Tulane has a 16% chance and JMU a 12% chance. Someone misplaced a decimal.

[AppScott89]

Here is a solution that solves it. It will never happen, but it would help.

There are 136 FBS teams. Make 17 8-team regional conferences. You can mix up the big boys with everyone else. Play 7 conference games and 4 non-conference games.
Have 17 conference winners and and 7 at-large bids. Top 8 get a bye. This would mean the max games you play would be 16. Strength of schedule would still be in effect for the at-large bids. So you can't play the 4 worst teams for your non-conference games and get an at-large bid.

[BambooRdApp]

Iowa St
Kansas St
Baylor
Notre Dame

All have opted out of bowls.
Bowl season might be toast.

A football NIT will come along if bowls go away...there will be too much dead TV air to fill

Players will still opt out. With the portal window and players needing time to take visits, bowl games are pretty stupid now. The best thing to do is expand the playoff to 24 teams, give every conference an auto-bid, and begin the playoffs in early December and just space the title game 2 weeks after the semis or something.

Fine...

Lets hope JMU beasts Oregon so the P4 homers can shut up about "G5s can't compete".

Hate it but I agree. JMU has a better shot to beat Oregon than Tulane does Ole Miss. Both really need to win 1st round at least.

I do not believe both need to win. I think it would be good if one of them win and the other is close. It can be difficult to beat a team twice in one year, however, I feel like ole miss boat races tulane.
For JMU, their D has been really good. Will be interesting to see how they match up with a good power school. Personally, I do not believe their offense will be very productive. However, it is Oregon and who knows if their D is really that good. If JMU QB would take some heat off the slant passes, their offense would have been even more productive this year. They should have beat Troy by quite a bit more, however, he just puts too much heat on those passss. However, I believe they will struggle against Ducks D.

[Bigdaddyg1]

Here is a solution that solves it. It will never happen, but it would help.

There are 136 FBS teams. Make 17 8-team regional conferences. You can mix up the big boys with everyone else. Play 7 conference games and 4 non-conference games.
Have 17 conference winners and and 7 at-large bids. Top 8 get a bye. This would mean the max games you play would be 16. Strength of schedule would still be in effect for the at-large bids. So you can't play the 4 worst teams for your non-conference games and get an at-large bid.

How about this one- 12 conferences of 10 each. New stringent standards to play in this level to include absolute home attendance numbers. There can be two SEC conferences, two Big 10, two ACC and two Big 12 (or whatever it’s called) then add a PAC10 and 3 G5’s all regional based. Play 9 conference games each with cross overs and let everyone have a freebies FCS to allow them to make money and no CCG’s. Top 8 ranked get a bye and conference champs with wildcards move to a playin. Teams can choose to upgrade or downgrade their schedule with FCS games. G5’s might simply play each other which could affect ranking. Same with P4. A SC or NCSU could play App in Boone, avoid us or still give us a big check to come to their house.

[AppScott89]

Here is a solution that solves it. It will never happen, but it would help.

There are 136 FBS teams. Make 17 8-team regional conferences. You can mix up the big boys with everyone else. Play 7 conference games and 4 non-conference games.
Have 17 conference winners and and 7 at-large bids. Top 8 get a bye. This would mean the max games you play would be 16. Strength of schedule would still be in effect for the at-large bids. So you can't play the 4 worst teams for your non-conference games and get an at-large bid.

How about this one- 12 conferences of 10 each. New stringent standards to play in this level to include absolute home attendance numbers. There can be two SEC conferences, two Big 10, two ACC and two Big 12 (or whatever it’s called) then add a PAC10 and 3 G5’s all regional based. Play 9 conference games each with cross overs and let everyone have a freebies FCS to allow them to make money and no CCG’s. Top 8 ranked get a bye and conference champs with wildcards move to a playin. Teams can choose to upgrade or downgrade their schedule with FCS games. G5’s might simply play each other which could affect ranking. Same with P4. A SC or NCSU could play App in Boone, avoid us or still give us a big check to come to their house.

I'm not opposed to that. I think when you start reducing by attendance, you'll lose more than 16. Let's say you set it at 25,000. Half the Sunbelt and most of the MAC wouldn't make it. Even at 15,000, it would be quite a few. How would that number be calculated. The GA State game I think had an annouced attendence of over 20K but it looked like about 2K on TV.

[BambooRdApp]

Here is a solution that solves it. It will never happen, but it would help.

There are 136 FBS teams. Make 17 8-team regional conferences. You can mix up the big boys with everyone else. Play 7 conference games and 4 non-conference games.
Have 17 conference winners and and 7 at-large bids. Top 8 get a bye. This would mean the max games you play would be 16. Strength of schedule would still be in effect for the at-large bids. So you can't play the 4 worst teams for your non-conference games and get an at-large bid.

How about this one- 12 conferences of 10 each. New stringent standards to play in this level to include absolute home attendance numbers. There can be two SEC conferences, two Big 10, two ACC and two Big 12 (or whatever it’s called) then add a PAC10 and 3 G5’s all regional based. Play 9 conference games each with cross overs and let everyone have a freebies FCS to allow them to make money and no CCG’s. Top 8 ranked get a bye and conference champs with wildcards move to a playin. Teams can choose to upgrade or downgrade their schedule with FCS games. G5’s might simply play each other which could affect ranking. Same with P4. A SC or NCSU could play App in Boone, avoid us or still give us a big check to come to their house.

I'm not opposed to that. I think when you start reducing by attendance, you'll lose more than 16. Let's say you set it at 25,000. Half the Sunbelt and most of the MAC wouldn't make it. Even at 15,000, it would be quite a few. How would that number be calculated. The GA State game I think had an annouced attendence of over 20K but it looked like about 2K on TV.

UNCC would never enter the conversation