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[ASUFan4863]

Again if we caught a minimum of four more passes at certain times we aren't having this conversation.

I would like to see us run the ball more.

And that last comment is where my issues come in. Loggains was asked after the Charlotte game about his thoughts on being the head coach of his first game. His response was something to the effect that for the first time in his career, he didn’t have someone in his headset telling him to run the ball.

App ran the ball on 45% of its offensive plays in 2025. There were 3 outliers directly related to the score and they were the first 3 games after losing Trent Ramsey - ODU (25%), Ga So (32%) and JMU (29%). I feel like when you look at the numbers and context, the gripe about not running the ball is overblown. It ultimately boils down to complaining about 3-5 plays a game that the casual fan feels should be a run.

You are going to lose your shit over anything I say because you just want to disagree with everything I say. Last year you took umbrage that I was supportive despite the performance. This year I’m critical for an even worse performance that got progressively worse as the season went along and you still want to argue with me.

If you think my comment is about the statistics then you aren’t paying attention. He is determined to do it his way. That is his prerogative as the HC. I’ve said what I said. His resume doesn’t get him a room if I am interviewing. It was a bad hire and several folks on the mountain would probably tell you the same.

Bro, just agree to disagree. Go outside and touch some grass. Hug a loved one and hold a puppy.

Are we not just having a casual conversation about football on a football forum? I didn’t realize it was that deep “bro”

[Bootsy]

A close friend and his bride are professors at App. When they joined the faculty 4 years ago, the university relocation team helped them locate housing in Boone. Coaches would get the same service.

[Saint3333]

“Bad hire” is a maybe one year into what he inherited. This time next year would be a better time to assess that in the current environment.

[AppStFan1]

My issue with the OC is that he isn't a good one, he wasn't in the NFL and not really in college either.

How does he compare to App’s last three OCs - Ponce, Barbay and Peterson in your opinion? I just want to have a clear understanding of how you would rank the 4 and why?

This is why I won't complain about Loggains because I compare him to what we have had.

That is my stance as of today also. I don’t see how Loggains can be considered worse than our past 3 OCs and even Satterfield in terms of play calling. The talent level, especially at QB and OL, hasn’t been in Loggains’ favor either so far.

This is next level shilling even for you. T4pizza countered this position pretty thoroughly, but there’s no way you can watch any app offense over the past several years and say that what we rolled out there last year under Loggains was better. And those were his guys so I don’t really get how he gets a pass coaching the dudes he brought in to coach and somehow credit for being great at the same time. It makes no sense.

The past few years were not good but I would say Loggains was better at times and worse or equal at times. Coaches can improve and learn so my stance is to wait and see how it looks right now. Maybe Loggains leads us to a 10 win season or maybe we miss a bowl game again and he is fired but I am just going to sit and wait. I did not start leaning one way on Clark until after 2 years and did not say we should make a change until after the 2023 season. If we fail to make a bowl game in 2026 after going 4-8 I will definitely lean towards saying that he won't be able to turn us around but I also believe he needs a fair chance.

I remember that many of the same people who claim they already know that Loggains will fail after just 1 year were the ones who wanted to give Clark more time. I do feel like a lot of judgements can be made this year but I believe we have to give him enough time or we will get a bad rep for not being fair to coaches.

[AppStFan1]

“Bad hire” is a maybe one year into what he inherited. This time next year would be a better time to assess that in the current environment.

Exactly. 2026 is make or break for him for sure.

[Seattleapp]

How does he compare to App’s last three OCs - Ponce, Barbay and Peterson in your opinion? I just want to have a clear understanding of how you would rank the 4 and why?

This is why I won't complain about Loggains because I compare him to what we have had.

That is my stance as of today also. I don’t see how Loggains can be considered worse than our past 3 OCs and even Satterfield in terms of play calling. The talent level, especially at QB and OL, hasn’t been in Loggains’ favor either so far.

This is next level shilling even for you. T4pizza countered this position pretty thoroughly, but there’s no way you can watch any app offense over the past several years and say that what we rolled out there last year under Loggains was better. And those were his guys so I don’t really get how he gets a pass coaching the dudes he brought in to coach and somehow credit for being great at the same time. It makes no sense.

The past few years were not good but I would say Loggains was better at times and worse or equal at times. Coaches can improve and learn so my stance is to wait and see how it looks right now. Maybe Loggains leads us to a 10 win season or maybe we miss a bowl game again and he is fired but I am just going to sit and wait. I did not start leaning one way on Clark until after 2 years and did not say we should make a change until after the 2023 season. If we fail to make a bowl game in 2026 after going 4-8 I will definitely lean towards saying that he won't be able to turn us around but I also believe he needs a fair chance.

I remember that many of the same people who claim they already know that Loggains will fail after just 1 year were the ones who wanted to give Clark more time. I do feel like a lot of judgements can be made this year but I believe we have to give him enough time or we will get a bad rep for not being fair to coaches.

That’s fair. I think most folks are interested in seeing how we look this fall. Having said that, I doubt a Clark coached team woulda looked as bad as we looked last season. I fully understand that’s apples to oranges. I only made my post because I firmly believe asufan4863 gets a stipend every time he defends DLO on this board. If he likes dLO that’s fine, but who are we kidding, the jury is REALLY still out on him. Saying he had a good recruiting class and we’ll wait and see if he’s any good as a head coach is the position we all should be taking because he ain’t done a thing yet. There are some pretty knowledgeable posters on here and they shouldn’t all be dismissed because they aren’t just blindly hopping on the DLO train. It was a risky hire. And we all want him to be successful, but he’s not proven anything yet and after some of the performances last season, folks are antsy. The DLO cheerleading isn’t always necessary on here. He’s already the coach. He needs to prove he was the right hire now

[BambooRdApp]

“Bad hire” is a maybe one year into what he inherited. This time next year would be a better time to assess that in the current environment.

Exactly. 2026 is make or break for him for sure.

Not sure I agree with "make or break" year if that means in the hunt for conference championship. Maybe we will be. However, I personally believe that is a year ahead of schedule as I look at coaching hires.
I do believe we need to have a winning record. I am just not sure how good all these freshmen will be. I guess it could be a "break" year if we have another losing record.
If the freshmen are good and the transfers are good..and we hold onto most of them for 27 that have eligibility., my expectations will be high and that we should be back to where we want to be..in the running for conference championship.
I get that college landscape has changed. So, maybe I am old school in the thought process. I just have typically seen it takes time for freshmen to be great.

[NattyBumppo'sRevenge]

“Bad hire” is a maybe one year into what he inherited. This time next year would be a better time to assess that in the current environment.

Exactly. 2026 is make or break for him for sure.

Not sure I agree with "make or break" year if that means in the hunt for conference championship. Maybe we will be. However, I personally believe that is a year ahead of schedule as I look at coaching hires.
I do believe we need to have a winning record. I am just not sure how good all these freshmen will be. I guess it could be a "break" year if we have another losing record.
If the freshmen are good and the transfers are good..and we hold onto most of them for 27 that have eligibility., my expectations will be high and that we should be back to where we want to be..in the running for conference championship.
I get that college landscape has changed. So, maybe I am old school in the thought process. I just have typically seen it takes time for freshmen to be great.

I think we should be in the hunt for a conference championship next season. In the current environment, with all the player and coach turnover, there should not be one dominant team in the Sun Belt as every team is basically getting a fresh start every 1 or 2 years. ODU lost their all-star QB. Coastal has the 3rd lowest ranked recruiting/transfer class in the Sun Belt, JMU has 2nd coaching change in two years. Most of Huff's Marshall players are gone and Southern Miss's recruiting class is second to last in the Sun Belt. All but three Sun Belt teams will have at least 40 new players next season. We have the resources to compete with South Alabama, Louisiana, Arkansas State, Troy, and Georgia State. If DLo doesn't get it done in year 2, what will change in year 3 or 4? I do think it's a make or break year, but I also think he's gonna make it. I think we go undefeated this coming season, 16-0, baby!

[BambooRdApp]

“Bad hire” is a maybe one year into what he inherited. This time next year would be a better time to assess that in the current environment.

Exactly. 2026 is make or break for him for sure.

Not sure I agree with "make or break" year if that means in the hunt for conference championship. Maybe we will be. However, I personally believe that is a year ahead of schedule as I look at coaching hires.
I do believe we need to have a winning record. I am just not sure how good all these freshmen will be. I guess it could be a "break" year if we have another losing record.
If the freshmen are good and the transfers are good..and we hold onto most of them for 27 that have eligibility., my expectations will be high and that we should be back to where we want to be..in the running for conference championship.
I get that college landscape has changed. So, maybe I am old school in the thought process. I just have typically seen it takes time for freshmen to be great.

I think we should be in the hunt for a conference championship next season. In the current environment, with all the player and coach turnover, there should not be one dominant team in the Sun Belt as every team is basically getting a fresh start every 1 or 2 years. ODU lost their all-star QB. Coastal has the 3rd lowest ranked recruiting/transfer class in the Sun Belt, JMU has 2nd coaching change in two years. Most of Huff's Marshall players are gone and Southern Miss's recruiting class is second to last in the Sun Belt. All but three Sun Belt teams will have at least 40 new players next season. We have the resources to compete with South Alabama, Louisiana, Arkansas State, Troy, and Georgia State. If DLo doesn't get it done in year 2, what will change in year 3 or 4? I do think it's a make or break year, but I also think he's gonna make it. I think we go undefeated this coming season, 16-0, baby!

I like your optimism. I never pick against App. St. on the weekly predictions. However, in the off-season, reality gets the better judgement when thinking about what we currently have in terms of players. If many of the teams above have similar transitions, why not us...so to speak. Given the last several years, i just want to get back to more of "bombs over Baghdad" and "sandpapering that a$$"

[Stonewall]

Coach has my unwavering support, win or tie.

[AppStFan1]

This is why I won't complain about Loggains because I compare him to what we have had.

That is my stance as of today also. I don’t see how Loggains can be considered worse than our past 3 OCs and even Satterfield in terms of play calling. The talent level, especially at QB and OL, hasn’t been in Loggains’ favor either so far.

This is next level shilling even for you. T4pizza countered this position pretty thoroughly, but there’s no way you can watch any app offense over the past several years and say that what we rolled out there last year under Loggains was better. And those were his guys so I don’t really get how he gets a pass coaching the dudes he brought in to coach and somehow credit for being great at the same time. It makes no sense.

The past few years were not good but I would say Loggains was better at times and worse or equal at times. Coaches can improve and learn so my stance is to wait and see how it looks right now. Maybe Loggains leads us to a 10 win season or maybe we miss a bowl game again and he is fired but I am just going to sit and wait. I did not start leaning one way on Clark until after 2 years and did not say we should make a change until after the 2023 season. If we fail to make a bowl game in 2026 after going 4-8 I will definitely lean towards saying that he won't be able to turn us around but I also believe he needs a fair chance.

I remember that many of the same people who claim they already know that Loggains will fail after just 1 year were the ones who wanted to give Clark more time. I do feel like a lot of judgements can be made this year but I believe we have to give him enough time or we will get a bad rep for not being fair to coaches.

That’s fair. I think most folks are interested in seeing how we look this fall. Having said that, I doubt a Clark coached team woulda looked as bad as we looked last season. I fully understand that’s apples to oranges. I only made my post because I firmly believe asufan4863 gets a stipend every time he defends DLO on this board. If he likes dLO that’s fine, but who are we kidding, the jury is REALLY still out on him. Saying he had a good recruiting class and we’ll wait and see if he’s any good as a head coach is the position we all should be taking because he ain’t done a thing yet. There are some pretty knowledgeable posters on here and they shouldn’t all be dismissed because they aren’t just blindly hopping on the DLO train. It was a risky hire. And we all want him to be successful, but he’s not proven anything yet and after some of the performances last season, folks are antsy. The DLO cheerleading isn’t always necessary on here. He’s already the coach. He needs to prove he was the right hire now

I'm with you except I was fully expecting a 3-9 or 4-8 season if we did not make a change. I was hoping for 6-6 with the change but this year is make or break. We don't know either way.

On the comment about all of us wanting him to succeed is not completely true. I know of folks who have not seen one thing he has done right and clearly want him to fail so they can say they told us so. There are people in sports, politics, and every walk of life that want people to fail regardless if it hurts them just so their view and their person wins the day.

Loggains has a lot to prove this year. As long as we go 6-6 or better I think you give one more year but if he fails to make a bowl game then I am sure he won't be back.

[AppStFan1]

“Bad hire” is a maybe one year into what he inherited. This time next year would be a better time to assess that in the current environment.

Exactly. 2026 is make or break for him for sure.

Not sure I agree with "make or break" year if that means in the hunt for conference championship. Maybe we will be. However, I personally believe that is a year ahead of schedule as I look at coaching hires.
I do believe we need to have a winning record. I am just not sure how good all these freshmen will be. I guess it could be a "break" year if we have another losing record.
If the freshmen are good and the transfers are good..and we hold onto most of them for 27 that have eligibility., my expectations will be high and that we should be back to where we want to be..in the running for conference championship.
I get that college landscape has changed. So, maybe I am old school in the thought process. I just have typically seen it takes time for freshmen to be great.

I don't think he has to be in the title hunt but I believe he has to get to a bowl game or else Gillin probably looks to make a change. It does take time for freshmen in many cases but I am hoping we can land some guys who are P4 talents that don't want to sit and we can play many of them early on. Cignetti has proven that you can turn a program around within 2 years and many fans and ADs are going to hold their coaches to that same standard.

[Lowcountry App]

Due to the buyout amount of his contract, I think Loggains will be here through at least next season. I don’t see this season as a make or break year for that reason. Not unless we have some big donors that can step up with buyout money which I doubt.

[ncman071]

i cant imagine we dont give loggians at least 3 years...i would say sub .500 against fbs comepetition gets him on the "hot seat" and needs to have a big season in year 3

[hapapp]

It seems to me we have done a decent job of replacing the talent that is gone. In some cases, we have likely strengthened the squad. But, I'm not sure what we have at QB. In fact, from an experience standpoint, we have less in the QB room. That's not to say that we won't wind up with better QB play in 2026 but there is a lot of unknown.

[appfanjj]

Believe we will have him for at least two more seasons. 6 - 6 or even 5 - 7 this coming season won't get him fired. Don't expect the record will be worse than 5 - 7.
Believe there are some "must win" games (as far as Loggains' future is concerned) coming up this season. Mostly on the road (3) which makes it more difficult to win.
One at home.

[BambooRdApp]

Believe we will have him for at least two more seasons. 6 - 6 or even 5 - 7 this coming season won't get him fired. Don't expect the record will be worse than 5 - 7.
Believe there are some "must win" games (as far as Loggains' future is concerned) coming up this season. Mostly on the road (3) which makes it more difficult to win.
One at home.

If we lose to the Beach Chickens again this year..burn the whole program down

[AppOrange]

Good grief people, give the man a year or two . . . so many variables to what happend last year, this will be the first true test of what he and this coaching staff can do. DLo is not Cig. As much as some of you have a one year turn it completely around mentality, that is just not realistic for us with our $ shortfalls (and Cig seems to be an anomoly). I will be fine with a 2 win improvemnt this upcoming year and continued progress until we are back in discussions for the conf champ every year. If we win 4 or 5 this year, then I will start to seriously doubt if this staff has the chops in modern semi-pro football.

[appfanjj]

Believe we will have him for at least two more seasons. 6 - 6 or even 5 - 7 this coming season won't get him fired. Don't expect the record will be worse than 5 - 7.
Believe there are some "must win" games (as far as Loggains' future is concerned) coming up this season. Mostly on the road (3) which makes it more difficult to win.
One at home.

If we lose to the Beach Chickens again this year..burn the whole program down

Haha. They are definitely one the three "must win" games on the road.

[ASUFan4863]

Great post AppOrange.

Another area for me that I’m pleased with is staff reconfiguration. Due to the timing of his hiring, DLo was really scrambling last year in hiring assistants. This resulted in Watkins coaching WRs and Larkins coaching RBs - two positions they had no experience coaching. We also hired an OL coach who had been out the fold for a season. This year, Dlo hired a true WR coach, a true RB coach, an OL coach with coordinator experience, a DL coach with coordinator experience plus an additional safeties coach.

The coaching staff is better today than it was 12 months ago and that gives me additional hope to see some on field progress.