WR shakeup for Saturday

[WataugaMan]

"From my point view we we have accepted this lackluster performance for many years. Yes we had winning records up until last year but the losses each year steadily climbed and no one was calling for us to sacrifice JM to the coaching gods. Quite the contrary, people were quite upset when his contract was not renewed because he had winning records. I don't think that anyone not clamoring to "win now" is accepting of the performance rather have an opinion that this will take time and are willing to let the process mature to gain a true perspective of where we are.

I apologize if the "old" comment offended you or anyone else."

I agree that the program has been on a steady decline for many years and to a degree some of that has carried over to present day. But, the current regime needs to take some responsibility too. Speaking for myself, I'm not saying "win now" or else. However, in my view it seems we are not properly prepared and motivated on a weekly basis. There have been too many instances where we have defeated ourselves with the same ol' problems and mistakes week in and week out. Seems we are our own worse enemy. Clean up these problems and things should begin to turn around. However, to date nothing seems to be improving, like a broken record. By the way, I did not take offense the the "old" comment. Peace

[NewApp]

Cobb saw what was going on last summer, too, even with Darcie and company. If you noticed, he booked as soon as he could. He had been trying as soon as he stepped out of his car the first day he arrived in Boone, so to speak. Say what you might about Jerry Moore and all his colossal mistakes, but Jerry Moore made Charlie Cobb, not the other way around.

FTR, as to Coach Satterfield, I hope he stays in place at least until the end of his four year contract.

I know where your loyalties are when it comes to JM and CC. I am not trying to get into a pissing contest with you over it. I respect your opinions on each. All I am trying to say is that there seems to be more finger pointing and fire and brimstone attitude now that the record is below 500 than when the records were trending that way.

FYI, I have no loyalties to either one.

[APPARJ]

Cobb saw what was going on last summer, too, even with Darcie and company. If you noticed, he booked as soon as he could. He had been trying as soon as he stepped out of his car the first day he arrived in Boone, so to speak. Say what you might about Jerry Moore and all his colossal mistakes, but Jerry Moore made Charlie Cobb, not the other way around.

FTR, as to Coach Satterfield, I hope he stays in place at least until the end of his four year contract.

I know where your loyalties are when it comes to JM and CC. I am not trying to get into a pissing contest with you over it. I respect your opinions on each. All I am trying to say is that there seems to be more finger pointing and fire and brimstone attitude now that the record is below 500 than when the records were trending that way.

FYI, I have no loyalties to either one.

Wow. Everyone reading this knows that's not true.

Also, regarding your "JM made CC" comment. Not really. This isn't a zero sum game.

CC held a fire under JM's butt in 2005 and forced JM to do whatever he could to improve the program. It worked for a time, then it didn't and here we are... that's the simplified version!

[NewApp]

Cobb saw what was going on last summer, too, even with Darcie and company. If you noticed, he booked as soon as he could. He had been trying as soon as he stepped out of his car the first day he arrived in Boone, so to speak. Say what you might about Jerry Moore and all his colossal mistakes, but Jerry Moore made Charlie Cobb, not the other way around.

FTR, as to Coach Satterfield, I hope he stays in place at least until the end of his four year contract.

I know where your loyalties are when it comes to JM and CC. I am not trying to get into a pissing contest with you over it. I respect your opinions on each. All I am trying to say is that there seems to be more finger pointing and fire and brimstone attitude now that the record is below 500 than when the records were trending that way.

FYI, I have no loyalties to either one.

Wow. Everyone reading this knows that's not true.

Also, regarding your "JM made CC" comment. Not really. This isn't a zero sum game.

CC held a fire under JM's butt in 2005 and forced JM to do whatever he could to improve the program. It worked for a time, then it didn't and here we are... that's the simplified version!

CC held a fire under every coach's butt when he first came on board except for his own wife's who was then a paid volunteer coach for the women's soccer team.. Appreciating what JM did for ASU in spite of his many colossal mistakes is not being loyal to him. Last I checked I had zero influence on whether Cobb Or Moore stayed at ASU, nor their salary and perks.

I guess you haven't noticed through the years that JM had virtually thousands who appreciated him and virtually thousands who wanted him out almost from the get go. One even said on here that Moore should have been fired the day after we lost to VMI in an upset almost decades ago.

[APPARJ]

Cobb saw what was going on last summer, too, even with Darcie and company. If you noticed, he booked as soon as he could. He had been trying as soon as he stepped out of his car the first day he arrived in Boone, so to speak. Say what you might about Jerry Moore and all his colossal mistakes, but Jerry Moore made Charlie Cobb, not the other way around.

FTR, as to Coach Satterfield, I hope he stays in place at least until the end of his four year contract.

I know where your loyalties are when it comes to JM and CC. I am not trying to get into a pissing contest with you over it. I respect your opinions on each. All I am trying to say is that there seems to be more finger pointing and fire and brimstone attitude now that the record is below 500 than when the records were trending that way.

FYI, I have no loyalties to either one.

Wow. Everyone reading this knows that's not true.

Also, regarding your "JM made CC" comment. Not really. This isn't a zero sum game.

CC held a fire under JM's butt in 2005 and forced JM to do whatever he could to improve the program. It worked for a time, then it didn't and here we are... that's the simplified version!

CC held a fire under every coach's butt when he first came on board except for his own wife's who was then a paid volunteer coach for the women's soccer team.. Appreciating what JM did for ASU in spite of his many colossal mistakes is not being loyal to him. Last I checked I had zero influence on whether Cobb Or Moore stayed at ASU, nor their salary and perks.

I guess you haven't noticed through the years that JM had virtually thousands who appreciated him and virtually thousands who wanted him out almost from the get go. One even said on here that Moore should have been fired the day after we lost to VMI in an upset almost decades ago.

Hearing people whine about Cobb's wife being a paid volunteer for the soccer team as if that's the cardinal sin of cardinal sins sounds like Mayberry, Hick Town gossip. Who cares??? It's women's soccer. Who on this board can even name one women's soccer player? (Parents don't count!)

Anyway, no offense, but if there is anything I believe, it is that you had zero influence. My faith in the athletic department would be shaken if that were the case.

[NewApp]

Apparj, I feel similarly about your having influence on athletic department decisions.

Not whining about her, but FYI, she became a salaried coach for the past few years.
As to not caring about women's soccer, I may be the only one on here, but I truly care about all our sports, both women's and men's. Again, I may be the only one, but I value our myriad of Commissioner's Cups and German Cups almost as much as our 3 national football championships and win over Michigan. You better care about all of our women's sports, because without them, there would be no football due to Title IX.
In fact for several years I designated my Yosef contributions toward Men's and Women's T& F. But again that's just me.

[AppSt94]

Cobb saw what was going on last summer, too, even with Darcie and company. If you noticed, he booked as soon as he could. He had been trying as soon as he stepped out of his car the first day he arrived in Boone, so to speak. Say what you might about Jerry Moore and all his colossal mistakes, but Jerry Moore made Charlie Cobb, not the other way around.

FTR, as to Coach Satterfield, I hope he stays in place at least until the end of his four year contract.

I know where your loyalties are when it comes to JM and CC. I am not trying to get into a pissing contest with you over it. I respect your opinions on each. All I am trying to say is that there seems to be more finger pointing and fire and brimstone attitude now that the record is below 500 than when the records were trending that way.

FYI, I have no loyalties to either one.

Wow. Everyone reading this knows that's not true.

Also, regarding your "JM made CC" comment. Not really. This isn't a zero sum game.

CC held a fire under JM's butt in 2005 and forced JM to do whatever he could to improve the program. It worked for a time, then it didn't and here we are... that's the simplified version!

CC held a fire under every coach's butt when he first came on board except for his own wife's who was then a paid volunteer coach for the women's soccer team.. Appreciating what JM did for ASU in spite of his many colossal mistakes is not being loyal to him. Last I checked I had zero influence on whether Cobb Or Moore stayed at ASU, nor their salary and perks.

I guess you haven't noticed through the years that JM had virtually thousands who appreciated him and virtually thousands who wanted him out almost from the get go. One even said on here that Moore should have been fired the day after we lost to VMI in an upset almost decades ago.

Stating JM's contributions to the mess of the present day program is not being disloyal to him or non-appreciative of what he meant to the program. It is just fact. Nothing more, nothing less and it does not, in my opinion, influence how I feel about our former coach. He is and will always be a LEGEND!

[EastHallApp]

A possibility could be that Satt & Co. didn't anticipate our WR unit being such a detriment to our offense's success. Pulling a redshirt off almost halfway into the season is unfortunate but maybe they think it's necessary to get us in the freaking endzone.

If that's the case, I like the move regardless of it being halfway in the year. I just want some sparks at WR.

Absolutely. They anticipated Barbour being in the starting lineup from the get-go. We at least know that.

Isaiah Lewis got all kinds of preseason hype and was in the initial 2-deep as a true freshman. He has 58 receiving yards in 5 games.

Beathard was called the best receiver on the team in camp by either SS or Stepp before the season. He has 46 yards in 5 games.

McElfresh has been the most consistent. Jones and McGuire have started to show flashes after slow starts. But none are really a threat to stretch the field or make defenders miss.

I think given all that, it's entirely possible that the coaches expected more production from the receivers than they've gotten.

Again, outside of the Campbell game, we have just one pass play all year longer than 28 yards - and that was to Barbour. No idea if he and/or Meadors can help there, but if they can, it's not hard to see why the coaches might play them.

Hey, if you can't score in the red zone, maybe you can find somebody who can score from outside the red zone.

[AppSt94]

A possibility could be that Satt & Co. didn't anticipate our WR unit being such a detriment to our offense's success. Pulling a redshirt off almost halfway into the season is unfortunate but maybe they think it's necessary to get us in the freaking endzone.

If that's the case, I like the move regardless of it being halfway in the year. I just want some sparks at WR.

Absolutely. They anticipated Barbour being in the starting lineup from the get-go. We at least know that.

Isaiah Lewis got all kinds of preseason hype and was in the initial 2-deep as a true freshman. He has 58 receiving yards in 5 games.

Beathard was called the best receiver on the team in camp by either SS or Stepp before the season. He has 46 yards in 5 games.

McElfresh has been the most consistent. Jones and McGuire have started to show flashes after slow starts. But none are really a threat to stretch the field or make defenders miss.

I think given all that, it's entirely possible that the coaches expected more production from the receivers than they've gotten.

Again, outside of the Campbell game, we have just one pass play all year longer than 28 yards - and that was to Barbour. No idea if he and/or Meadors can help there, but if they can, it's not hard to see why the coaches might play them.

Hey, if you can't score in the red zone, maybe you can find somebody who can score from outside the red zone.

You make valid points. I would say that our problem in the red zone is the lack of a tall physical presence on the outside.

[AtlAppMan]

You make valid points. I would say that our problem in the red zone is the lack of a tall physical presence on the outside.

So lack of tall physical presense is why we get the variety of penalties when we get to red zone? Is that why Jones cut inside instead of outside at 5 yard line last week?

Me thinks it is more of mental mistakes and lack of execution. Go back and watch the game again and watch closely what happens in red zone.

[ASUPATCH]

You make valid points. I would say that our problem in the red zone is the lack of a tall physical presence on the outside.

So lack of tall physical presense is why we get the variety of penalties when we get to red zone? Is that why Jones cut inside instead of outside at 5 yard line last week?

Me thinks it is more of mental mistakes and lack of execution. Go back and watch the game again and watch closely what happens in red zone.

You mean besides illegal formation penalties on a constant basis?

[WVAPPeer]

"McElfresh has been the most consistent. Jones and McGuire have started to show flashes after slow starts. But none are really a threat to stretch the field or make defenders miss."


Who were the 3 receivers who were open deep during the last game but were overthrown?

[ASUPATCH]

"McElfresh has been the most consistent. Jones and McGuire have started to show flashes after slow starts. But none are really a threat to stretch the field or make defenders miss."


Who were the 3 receivers who were open deep during the last game but were overthrown?

Bobo and Malachi were two.........dont know the third.

[NewApp]

QUOTE:
Stating JM's contributions to the mess of the present day program is not being disloyal to him or non-appreciative of what he meant to the program. It is just fact. Nothing more, nothing less and it does not, in my opinion, influence how I feel about our former coach. He is and will always be a LEGEND!


94, if I'm not mistaken, I'm not the one who brought up "loyalty " or "loyalties" in the first place.

As to blame, I too share the opinion that Coach Moore is partly, even largely, responsible for the situation the football program finds itself is in now, but there are those who think that he is responsible for figuratively 99% of the problems.

In the long run, it doesn't matter in the least who is to blame. What matters is what "we" do now and in the future to rectify it.

Now have a good rest of the day. From where I sit with my stinking iPhone, it is one of the classic Fall days here in NC. Perfect as a matter of fact.

[WVAPPeer]

WVAPPeer don't know how you get that I'm calling for Scott to be fired from that post. All I'm saying is if we show no improvement this yr. ,only win 3 or 4 games next yr. and don't at least have a 6 to 7 game win season in 2016 then I;m afraid we can't afford not to let him go. But I am well aware Scot is our head coach this yr. and the next two yrs. But by year 4 if we're still losing more than we're winning and are not real competitive in the Sunbelt then yea, it's time for a new coach and staff . If that senario plays out we'll have no choice 'cause two more yrs, after this yr of 3 to 4 wins and bottom of sunbelt standing then empty seats will be calling the shots. If you think that means I'm calling for Scott to be fired now you're nuts.

Well it wasn't directed to you only --- Let me put it this way --- and I may be wrong but I don't remember reading posts by you and some others which say things like --- "Well, if SS continues to recruit good student-athletes in 3-4 years we could be really good and talking about going to a bowl game - possible SB champions" --- and anything else similar to that --- NO, what I read is If Coach A doesn't do this or Coach B doesn't do that neither will be around to see the seniors they recruited ---

[mtnjax]

"McElfresh has been the most consistent. Jones and McGuire have started to show flashes after slow starts. But none are really a threat to stretch the field or make defenders miss."


Who were the 3 receivers who were open deep during the last game but were overthrown?

Bobo and Malachi were two.........dont know the third.

it was Sumler, McGuire and Lewis

[WVAPPeer]

"McElfresh has been the most consistent. Jones and McGuire have started to show flashes after slow starts. But none are really a threat to stretch the field or make defenders miss."


Who were the 3 receivers who were open deep during the last game but were overthrown?

Bobo and Malachi were two.........dont know the third.

it was Sumler, McGuire and Lewis

Thanks - then at least these 3 are a threat to stretch the field? ---

[EastHallApp]

"McElfresh has been the most consistent. Jones and McGuire have started to show flashes after slow starts. But none are really a threat to stretch the field or make defenders miss."


Who were the 3 receivers who were open deep during the last game but were overthrown?

Bobo and Malachi were two.........dont know the third.

it was Sumler, McGuire and Lewis

Thanks - then at least these 3 are a threat to stretch the field? ---

I know Sumler was one, but I thought one of them was either Bobo or McElfresh. Could be mistaken though.

Regardless - yes, fair point, they did get open on those plays. But I maintain that zero 30-yard plays in four games (not counting Barbour) shows that we lack sufficient big-play ability.

But hey, if those guys want to start consistently getting open downfield until Lamb finally starts hitting them, I'd love to be proven wrong.

[ASUPATCH]

"McElfresh has been the most consistent. Jones and McGuire have started to show flashes after slow starts. But none are really a threat to stretch the field or make defenders miss."


Who were the 3 receivers who were open deep during the last game but were overthrown?

Bobo and Malachi were two.........dont know the third.

it was Sumler, McGuire and Lewis

Thanks - then at least these 3 are a threat to stretch the field? ---

Eh not really.......one was a gaping hole in a zone coverage on 3rd and loooong, and another was blown coverage. I think Lewis actually beat someone deep. He might be the only guy currently playing talented enough to do so.

[ASUPATCH]

"McElfresh has been the most consistent. Jones and McGuire have started to show flashes after slow starts. But none are really a threat to stretch the field or make defenders miss."


Who were the 3 receivers who were open deep during the last game but were overthrown?

Bobo and Malachi were two.........dont know the third.

it was Sumler, McGuire and Lewis

One was defiantly either bobo or sims on the App sideline near the 50.......couldn't have been one of the 3 previous as there is a pigment difference.