Realistic coaching options for 2025...

[311neers]

Seems like we do have some players and recruits that are pumped to get on the mountain still and be with Loggains. That’s a good sign. I think kids might see his resume; NFL, SEC and be hype because that’s the end goal for most players. They’ve seen Loggains do it, so why can’t the kids? That would be my logic if I was a returner or recruit.

[app97]

So, you hire bad interviewees?

No, I’m sometimes on an interview team that gives input, but the team’s opinions rarely matter. I was implying more along the lines of people I’ve encountered that are completely full of crap and decent at selling themselves…they tend to impress gullible folks who fall for every sales pitch. Proof is in pudding pretty quickly, but I work in a profession where it’s difficult to get rid of those folks. Not necessarily the case with our new HC, but it sounds like he was hired primarily due to his sales pitch over resume. I’d love to know who the other serious finalists were and if we just couldn’t afford them/they backed out, etc.

I actually do interview potential new professionals throughout the year as our firm has a need or if we are referred a candidate that has a good reputation. There are candidates who "knock it out of the park"...and, of those, some knock it out of the park, some are average professionals and some just do not work out. It is the nature of the profession. So my question is.
Were you a part of interview process and other due diligence related to the hiring of this new App. St. head football coach? Do you have a past history of working with the new head football coach? Have you been at oj-field practice and/or team rooms where our new HC has worked with players under him? Do you have direct knowledge of the personality of this football coach?
If all of the answers to these questions are "NO"...then, IMHO, it is a weird take to project negativity around the idea that sometimes a "good interview" is potentially a bad aspect of the process when you were not even part of the process.
This is like a glass half empty take or just trying to find an issue with a new hire that you know nothing about.

Second, how do you even know other interviewees price were out of the market. On Neal Brown...From what I heard, he prefers wku over app. st. If that is the case, hard no. Maybe the other candidates did not interview well.

So, you hire bad interviewees?

No, I’m sometimes on an interview team that gives input, but the team’s opinions rarely matter. I was implying more along the lines of people I’ve encountered that are completely full of crap and decent at selling themselves…they tend to impress gullible folks who fall for every sales pitch. Proof is in pudding pretty quickly, but I work in a profession where it’s difficult to get rid of those folks. Not necessarily the case with our new HC, but it sounds like he was hired primarily due to his sales pitch over resume. I’d love to know who the other serious finalists were and if we just couldn’t afford them/they backed out, etc.

I actually do interview potential new professionals throughout the year as our firm has a need or if we are referred a candidate that has a good reputation. There are candidates who "knock it out of the park"...and, of those, some knock it out of the park, some are average professionals and some just do not work out. It is the nature of the profession. So my question is.
Were you a part of interview process and other due diligence related to the hiring of this new App. St. head football coach? Do you have a past history of working with the new head football coach? Have you been at oj-field practice and/or team rooms where our new HC has worked with players under him? Do you have direct knowledge of the personality of this football coach?
If all of the answers to these questions are "NO"...then, IMHO, it is a weird take to project negativity around the idea that sometimes a "good interview" is potentially a bad aspect of the process when you were not even part of the process.
This is like a glass half empty take or just trying to find an issue with a new hire that you know nothing about.

Second, how do you even know other interviewees price were out of the market. On Neal Brown...From what I heard, he prefers wku over app. st. If that is the case, hard no. Maybe the other candidates did not interview well.

I think if you will read my response again, and read it without a preconceived notion of what you think I’m implying or what you want to believe I’m implying, you’ll see that it’s more out of curiosity than my knowing anything about the process….typical message board banter is all it is. My response was more out curiosity “I’d love to know” instead of pretending that I know, like “from what I’ve heard” regarding Neal Brown. Curiosity vs heresay. Furthermore, if you will read the end of my original post that you responded to you will hopefully infer that I’m hopeful about Loggains….”maybe a G5 head coach role is where he proves himself.” That glass is a little more full than empty.

I’m hopeful after hearing a few interviews at both Arkansas and SC, and can see how he would have impressed the committee. He didnt really have enough time to prove much at SC, so it’s hard to get a good feel at the moment. Their fans seem split around 50/50 in the good riddance vs hate to see him go camps. I’ll remain optimistic, but won’t expect big results until at least year two.

[Saint3333]

If you’re a player and you have a coach with contacts in the SEC and NFL is that more or less appealing than a coach that has ties to the FCS and G5 programs?

[app97]

If you’re a player and you have a coach with contacts in the SEC and NFL is that more or less appealing than a coach that has ties to the FCS and G5 programs?

The answer is obvious for recruiting purposes. I just want it to translate to wins.

[Saint3333]

Recruiting well typically doesn’t hurt results on the field.

Wins come from recruiting well, developing well, retaining well, discipline, team mentality, and execution of a solid game plan.

This job isn’t for the weak, the effort it takes to get and stay ahead of others as hungry as you is large as it’s ever been.

When interviewing that is what the decision makers were looking for and by all accounts that is why he was chosen.

[BallantyneApp]

Shane Beamer hired him. Certainly his detractors here are more qualified to vet his qualifications than one of the better coaches in the nation.

Head coaching record is 29-21.... One of the better coaches is a stretch.

29-21 is pretty damn impressive at SoCar.

[ASUTodd]

Yeah..... Imma stick with him being an average coach in a tough conference. Anyways....
2021 South Carolina 7–6 3–5 T–4th
2022 South Carolina 8–5 4–4 3rd
2023 South Carolina 5–7 3–5 T–4th
2024 South Carolina 9–3 5–3 T–4th

Maybe he gets better as the years go on but he isn't setting the world on fire.

[BambooRdApp]

And other than Steve Spurrier while at USC, that record looks like a coaching genius...

[ASUTodd]

And other than Steve Spurrier while at USC, that record looks like a coaching genius...

Beamer-ball can hypnotize some folks.....

[Stonewall]

I go back to Paul Dietzel. Other than he and Joe Morrison , maybe a year or two with Carlen , he looks pretty good.

[bcoach]

I just can’t get it out of my mind that uncc got a proven winner as a head coach and we couldn’t/ didn’t. We will just have to wait and see but I am not looking forward to our first game next year.

[BambooRdApp]

And other than Steve Spurrier while at USC, that record looks like a coaching genius...

Beamer-ball can hypnotize some folks.....

Well, he must of hypnotized several of the teams in the SEC this year

[AppSt94]

I just can’t get it out of my mind that uncc got a proven winner as a head coach and we couldn’t/ didn’t. We will just have to wait and see but I am not looking forward to our first game next year.

He likely didn’t fit Doug’s criteria. He is an older coach. That may have been part of the thought process. Again, assuming that we did not reach out or there was no interest from Albion.

[Stonewall]

Yes. Among others , recruiting footprint.

[Yosef10]

Yes. Among others , recruiting footprint.

Is there anything to my thought that Loggains is coming from a pretty significant NIL environment and that played a role in his attractiveness to Gillin? Nothing against the last staff, I just wonder if a coach coming from the SEC would demand that ship to be ran just a bit tighter?

[311neers]

Yes. Among others , recruiting footprint.

Is there anything to my thought that Loggains is coming from a pretty significant NIL environment and that played a role in his attractiveness to Gillin? Nothing against the last staff, I just wonder if a coach coming from the SEC would demand that ship to be ran just a bit tighter?

Maybe he can bring some that WalMart and Tyson chicken money with him from Arkansas. Or the Rice family at South Carolina. Or maybe some NFL guys he coached.

[Stonewall]

I believe that fundraising and NIL operation was part of the discussion with each candidate. Based on conversations with a couple of people, for what it’s worth.

[Stonewall]

Do not steal my tunes.

[BUTCH1991]

Now this would piss some people around here off https://x.com/PeteNakos_/status/1866252 ... TtG5g&s=19

[ASUTodd]

Now this would piss some people around here off https://x.com/PeteNakos_/status/1866252 ... TtG5g&s=19

Anyone that thinks Wilks wants to come back here is delusional. He's used to that NFL money which UNC could get close to paying him. There is no upside to coming to App for him.