MOUNTAIN MEN vs. MINUTEMEN!!!!!

[ASU77]

First and hopefully my last post this season. What a stupid play call on 3rd down. We need two yards to win the game and we call a play like that. 81 was lucky to hold onto the ball getting hit right after catching it. Worse case is that we run up the middle on 3rd and 4th downs, don't make it and they get the ball at the 35. Make it, game over. Instead we punt into the end zone and they start at the 25. Stout's hit was a cheap shot. QB was not making a play on the ball. Hope he is ok. Cost us 7 pts. Duck's play on the punt return takes the cake. He's playing hero ball and almost backfired. Please throw the ball to Hennigan when you need a big catch. He will catch it. No need to worry about Satt this year as his resume took a big hit. Team is just not well prepared for all games. Kudos to the place kicker. Very confident young man.

[AppSt94]

bcoach I know you are mad and I am not trying to make it worse but I don't see undisciplined play on either TD that was called back - It is not making excuses but let's label it properly - neither was because of undisciplined play - Now, can you or anyone else explain to me what happened with the one play where all the flags were thrown? - Late hit out of bounds, which was close but I can see why it was called but I still don't know who and why the other unsportsmanlike were on ---

Peel blocking a guy when Tae Hayes has nobody in front of him was pointless. You have to lay off. It's not dirty but you have to lay off with how they treat qbs these days.

If the guy is standing and not engaging the play fine, but he was moving toward the play. He wasn't blindsided, the hit was clean, he was decleated and didn't get up. That made it worse than it was. As for the officials, we had to burn a timeout because the refs missed a fumble that was so obvious that a 90 year old with glaucoma could see it.

[AppSt94]

I think the OL is the route cause of the offensive woes. More specifically the run blocking. Young receivers do not help the situation.

But we only lost 2 OL starters and have 2 seniors on the line

Yes, but we have a Sophomore, Freshman, and a junior starting at guard that played center his first two years.

[mountaineerman]

Didn’t get to watch the game and by the comments I don’t think I’m going to watch it either. What happened on our last possession?

[AppSt94]

Didn’t get to watch the game and by the comments I don’t think I’m going to watch it either. What happened on our last possession?

If you are into Greek tragedies or train wrecks, then this game is for you.

[appst1992]

To be honest, we don’t deserve to be SBC champs, regardless of our record in a pathetic conference. We’ve lost 3 out of 4 non conference games.

And that has what to do with whether we deserve to win the conference? If we win out from here, we will be conference champs. And if we do that, we will sure as hell have deserved it. How weak or strong the conference may be, its OUR conference and winning it will always be better than not.

I understand this wasn’t a conference game. And I understand that we can win out and win / Co-win the conference. My point is, the SBC is the weakest conference in all of FBS. So winning the conference isn’t exactly cause for a Whoopi doo. It’s our non conference games that set us apart. We lose to Georgia, ok I get it. They are a top 5 team. We lose to Wake, shoulda won against a lower tier ACC opponent but we couldn’t seal the deal. We lose to a 1-6 FBS Independent and it simply sucks all the way around. We lose because we underperform and anyone that argues with that is in denial. I love App and will root them to victory week in and week out. I’m a multi year high dollar donor and will be for years to come but I get weary of playing to less than our potential. Winning the SBC isn’t exactly a high bar to achieve.

[WVAPPeer]

Don't watch it - Honestly it was one of the ugliest games I have ever seen and I have seen a lot of football - there was a flag thrown on half the plays - game was full of mistakes from all sides including the refs, players and coaches - it had zero flow - I'll stop there ---

[AppinATL]

One of the most interesting things about this board. App wins and there may be a 5-7 page thread by this time. App loses and we are already at 11 pages and counting.

Its therapy man. We don't need therapy after a win. And plus this is one game we can all agree on...the negative, sky is falling crowd and the rose colored glasses gang alike. I think we're all in agreement on this one.

[WVAPPeer]

Winning the SB is the only realistic goal for each season - I don't agree that APP is judged by the non-conf games - Surely beating a top 5 team like UGA would be important nationwide but once we lost that game the others don't matter except for our bragging rights - we will go to a SB tie-in bowl game whether we finished 11-1 or 6-6 and probably the same site if we were 11-1 or 6-6 ---
If we were playing this way with our full complement of players I would agree we are under performing but we are not and have not since game 1. We start the season without our 2 best returning WRs, we have not had the full service of the returning SB OPOY except for 1 game and he put up 250 yds - his back-up is gone for the year, we play 6 freshmen on offense now and I don't think it is fair to say we are under performing when we have 6 freshmen out there -
Here's some info I posted after last weeks game ---
APP Defense today --- 12 Fr/So registered stats !!!
APP Offense today --- 6 Fr/So registered stats !!!
APP Special Teams today - 4 Fr/So played !!!
APP Team today --- 10 additional Fr/So either started or played !!!

[AppStateNews]

bcoach I know you are mad and I am not trying to make it worse but I don't see undisciplined play on either TD that was called back - It is not making excuses but let's label it properly - neither was because of undisciplined play - Now, can you or anyone else explain to me what happened with the one play where all the flags were thrown? - Late hit out of bounds, which was close but I can see why it was called but I still don't know who and why the other unsportsmanlike were on ---

Peel blocking a guy when Tae Hayes has nobody in front of him was pointless. You have to lay off. It's not dirty but you have to lay off with how they treat qbs these days.

Disagree 100%. You are taught from the day you first start playing defense if there is a turnover, you find the man closest to you (regardless of how close he is to the play) and hit him legally. Stout did everything right -- everything he's been taught since he's started playing football. There are a select few players at any level that would have the thought process of "oh no, that's a QB, I better disregard everything I've ever been taught on this one play!" It wasn't dirty, it wasn't illegal, and should have never been called a penalty. Although, I do agree this mindset might need to change these days with how they treat QBs any more.

That said, while that call cost us 7 points, the game was not decided by the refs. It was just poor execution on our part. The o line got destroyed by blitzes all game -- especially the first half.

[AppinATL]

To be honest, we don’t deserve to be SBC champs, regardless of our record in a pathetic conference. We’ve lost 3 out of 4 non conference games.

And that has what to do with whether we deserve to win the conference? If we win out from here, we will be conference champs. And if we do that, we will sure as hell have deserved it. How weak or strong the conference may be, its OUR conference and winning it will always be better than not.

I understand this wasn’t a conference game. And I understand that we can win out and win / Co-win the conference. My point is, the SBC is the weakest conference in all of FBS. So winning the conference isn’t exactly cause for a Whoopi doo. It’s our non conference games that set us apart. We lose to Georgia, ok I get it. They are a top 5 team. We lose to Wake, shoulda won against a lower tier ACC opponent but we couldn’t seal the deal. We lose to a 1-6 FBS Independent and it simply sucks all the way around. We lose because we underperform and anyone that argues with that is in denial. I love App and will root them to victory week in and week out. I’m a multi year high dollar donor and will be for years to come but I get weary of playing to less than our potential. Winning the SBC isn’t exactly a high bar to achieve.

Well, I feel sorry for you then, because that is our bar. This is our conference and will be for the foreseeable future. If you can't get enjoyment out of winning championships, what a bleak existence. I don't deny that this loss and the way we lost it was ugly. No way we should lose like this to a team like that, but diminishing the importance of a conference championship (if we be so fortunate to win one) just pisses me off.

[Goapps15]

bcoach I know you are mad and I am not trying to make it worse but I don't see undisciplined play on either TD that was called back - It is not making excuses but let's label it properly - neither was because of undisciplined play - Now, can you or anyone else explain to me what happened with the one play where all the flags were thrown? - Late hit out of bounds, which was close but I can see why it was called but I still don't know who and why the other unsportsmanlike were on ---

Peel blocking a guy when Tae Hayes has nobody in front of him was pointless. You have to lay off. It's not dirty but you have to lay off with how they treat qbs these days.

Disagree 100%. You are taught from the day you first start playing defense if there is a turnover, you find the man closest to you (regardless of how close he is to the play) and hit him legally. Stout did everything right -- everything he's been taught since he's started playing football. There are a select few players at any level that would have the thought process of "oh no, that's a QB, I better disregard everything I've ever been taught on this one play!" It wasn't dirty, it wasn't illegal, and should have never been called a penalty. Although, I do agree this mindset might need to change these days with how they treat QBs any more.

That said, while that call cost us 7 points, the game was not decided by the refs. It was just poor execution on our part. The o line got destroyed by blitzes all game -- especially the first half.

I don't disagree with anything you said. But with how qbs get treated you cant breathe on them.

We lost the game not the refs. We still just refuse to establish an intermediate passing game. Our Wrs are too good to just block.
Oh well onto next week and let's win the league.

[AppSt94]

To be honest, we don’t deserve to be SBC champs, regardless of our record in a pathetic conference. We’ve lost 3 out of 4 non conference games.

And that has what to do with whether we deserve to win the conference? If we win out from here, we will be conference champs. And if we do that, we will sure as hell have deserved it. How weak or strong the conference may be, its OUR conference and winning it will always be better than not.

I understand this wasn’t a conference game. And I understand that we can win out and win / Co-win the conference. My point is, the SBC is the weakest conference in all of FBS. So winning the conference isn’t exactly cause for a Whoopi doo. It’s our non conference games that set us apart. We lose to Georgia, ok I get it. They are a top 5 team. We lose to Wake, shoulda won against a lower tier ACC opponent but we couldn’t seal the deal. We lose to a 1-6 FBS Independent and it simply sucks all the way around. We lose because we underperform and anyone that argues with that is in denial. I love App and will root them to victory week in and week out. I’m a multi year high dollar donor and will be for years to come but I get weary of playing to less than our potential. Winning the SBC isn’t exactly a high bar to achieve.

I get your point, and I would agree that we are not living up to the potential from the beginning of the year, but that potential was built off of contributions from players like Moore, Upshaw, Meadors, and Evans playing a major role in the offense. Instead of those guys, we have Hennigan, Virgil, the Williams twins, and Harrington. That's five Freshmen replacing some pretty good firepower. But then again, I must be in denial.

[Stonewall]

They made one more play than we did, one winning play,somewhere in the game.Third and a couple late,a nullified pick six,a penalty here or there , perhaps a freshmans' fumble? Any one of those could have turned the game.Who knows? I hope they are better than their record indicates.We aren't. And there are plenty of reasons ,most of which can be addressed .Here's hoping they will be.I do wonder about the coaches that we lost, Dwayne Ledford specifically.The O line has been relatively healthy, and consistently blowing assignments and being penalized. Good coaching can carryover a year ,but generally not two unless it's reinforced. This worries me.

[Goapps15]

Hate it for Harrington. I believe that is a 4 fumbles in less than 30 carries.

[AppSt94]

The offense wasn’t responsible for a 95 yard run deep in their own territory.

[86App]

I think the OL is the route cause of the offensive woes. More specifically the run blocking. Young receivers do not help the situation.

But we only lost 2 OL starters and have 2 seniors on the line

Yeah, Collins was the leader and emotional drive of that line. Rest of the guys took their cues from Parker. Nobody has assumed that role this year, and you can tell!

[AppDawg]

Worst loss since Liberty in ‘14. Unacceptable. ‘Nuf said.

[App91]

Worst loss since Liberty in ‘14. Unacceptable. ‘Nuf said.

This x eleventy million! im sure some will excuse the number of underclassmen, injuries, road, hell the wind. But remember 2 weeks ago this team was in bottom 10. Scheduled get-right games with the SB conf. and now 2 wins in a row. Play with fire and bound to get burned. Hopefully, god i hope, this will light a fire in some asses and will come to play for 4 QUARTERS from now on and not wait until they feel like playing and coaching.

[AppNation85]

We aren’t as good as some hoped and that was a bad loss (most teams have them once and awhile) but we’re still in position to win the conference and go bowling. If that happens call it a good season.