Coach Moore

[ASU-FTW]

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[huskie3]

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Once it is chopped you don't know where it came from.

[goapps93]

allowed the program and his career to be somewhat tarnished.

Sorry but I don't think the program is "somewhat tarnished" and it didn't sound like the Sun Belt did. In my opinion, it may be at it's pinnacle, but only time will tell. But you're entitled to your opinion!

Well, I'm certainly not too proud of some of the disciplinary issues with coaches and players that we had the last 2-3 years of his tenure both on and off the field. Until then our issues had been few and far between. I think they took a little luster off of an otherwise stellar career for Coach Moore and mostly clean history of our program.

[Appsolutely]

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Barbeque

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I like my barbeque vaginal pube free. Eastern style, of course.

Once it is chopped you don't know where it came from.

In Statesboro, they call it chopped pubeque. And yes, the sauce is vinegar-based.

[JCline0429]

Look I love what Moore did for App and what he means to App football. I really hope he comes to Kidd Brewer next year.

You appear not to understand the importance of the great coaches prior to the Moore era. Go talk to a "Dugggins Boy" and let them know they didn't help build the foundation of Appalachian football the. Go look at what Moore stepped into from the Woods era. Moore is a football legend, but don't discount the others so quickly.

EVERY coach and player helped Appalachian reach today's accomplishment, congrats to all of them!

Coach Woods was featured in an interview live by video on the big screen in front of thousands at half time just a few years ago. The only reason he wasn't in KBS in person was that Sparky was coaching somewhere else on that very Saturday. He received a standing ovation from thousands in attendance in KBS that day. Too, Sparky left us for what he thought were greener pastures and more money at the University of South Carolina. JM never chose to leave us whether he had the opportunities or not, we'll never know. I loved Coach Woods as much as any other fan, but still. While we were at it, you missed acknowledging Coach Mack Brown. He's the one who brought Sparky to Boone in the first place. Everyone who has coached at ASU, even assistant coaches, are too many to acknowledge in one swoop. Besides, they all know who they are, and that is all that matters in the whole scheme of things. Moore will be remembered most by thousands of fans, for the ride on his players' shoulders after the Michigan win. No way we can beat that by naming anything after him nor celebrating his legacy on a special day in KBS. Of course we would all, hopefully, like to see a special occasion to recognize him in KBS.
Just my two cents.

[NewApp]

Kidd, Duggins and Sparky were not nearly as important to App State as Jerry Moore has been.

Erk, regardless of how long ago, was what put them on the map too.

Considering Coach Russell orchestrated the birth of GSU football he deserves most of the credit for their success. Before holding the press conference announcing they were starting football someone had to run to KMart and buy a football to put on the table. Coach Moore benefited from having the people you mentioned construct the foundation that allowed him to succeed. The guy who seems to get lost in the conversation is Jim Brakefield. He guided ASU through the transition from the NAIA to NCAA D-I and deserves a great deal of credit for what took place yesterday. In my mind that 1975 season is still the greatest season in Mountaineer Football history. Five years out of NAIA and we knock off an ACC school, South Carolina and a ECU program that was probably the 2nd best in the state. And he did it with about 50 scholarship players.

Mack Brown and Sparky Woods really deserve credit for preventing the program from potentially sliding into Western status. They picked up the ashes from the Mike Working fiasco and sowed the seeds that grew the harvest Coach Moore reaped. People tend to forget Coach Moore inherited a championship caliber program that was a win away from the national championship in 1987. Sparky left Jerry a boat load of talent yet it took him 13 years to get back to the semi finals.

Every one of those coaches played a part in getting us to where we stand today. Each one benefiting from the success of their predecessors.

Are you failing to acknowledge that Sparky Woods took a lot of that talent with him to USC? Fuller was a proven up and coming QB for ASU even though he got lost among a plethora of back field talent with the Gamecocks.

[Kgfish]

Kidd, Duggins and Sparky were not nearly as important to App State as Jerry Moore has been.

Erk, regardless of how long ago, was what put them on the map too.

Considering Coach Russell orchestrated the birth of GSU football he deserves most of the credit for their success. Before holding the press conference announcing they were starting football someone had to run to KMart and buy a football to put on the table. Coach Moore benefited from having the people you mentioned construct the foundation that allowed him to succeed. The guy who seems to get lost in the conversation is Jim Brakefield. He guided ASU through the transition from the NAIA to NCAA D-I and deserves a great deal of credit for what took place yesterday. In my mind that 1975 season is still the greatest season in Mountaineer Football history. Five years out of NAIA and we knock off an ACC school, South Carolina and a ECU program that was probably the 2nd best in the state. And he did it with about 50 scholarship players.

Mack Brown and Sparky Woods really deserve credit for preventing the program from potentially sliding into Western status. They picked up the ashes from the Mike Working fiasco and sowed the seeds that grew the harvest Coach Moore reaped. People tend to forget Coach Moore inherited a championship caliber program that was a win away from the national championship in 1987. Sparky left Jerry a boat load of talent yet it took him 13 years to get back to the semi finals.

Every one of those coaches played a part in getting us to where we stand today. Each one benefiting from the success of their predecessors.

Are you failing to acknowledge that Sparky Woods took a lot of that talent with him to USC? Fuller was a proven up and coming QB for ASU even though he got lost among a plethora of back field talent with the Gamecocks.

Sparky did not "take" anyone with him to USC. Coach Moore switched from the Pro I Woods ran to a option offense. Fuller was a true drop back passer and decided to transfer after going through spring practice and realizing he could not run Moore's offense. Woods went to Columbia after the recruiting class was signed. If he intended to steal a QB why didn't he "take" the highly recruited incoming freshman DJ Campbell in place of someone who only had 2 years left?

[Appst1]

Sounds like our fans need a history lesson Appalachian football didn't start in 2005.

I sure hope the fans that jumped on late stay.

Agreed. It's sad that you can't praise the coaches before Jerry without some viewing it as an attack against Coach Moore. He did great things for many years, but Appalachian was winning football games long before he got there. Everyone played a role!

It sad that someone can't ask a question (or start a thread) about Coach Moore without everyone down playing his importance or saying that he wasn't perfect or had issues no one knew about. Like him or not (everyone has a opinion) but his numbers over 21 years speak for themselves.

It seems pretty clear to the 30K+ that fill the stadium how important he was, believe me I was there when there were plenty of empty seats.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appalachia ... s_football

Just some of the numbers.

10 of the 18 conference champs
3 of the 3 national champs
.713 overall record
.687 conference record

Okay it's clear some people are way too harsh Jerry Moore and others are too much in love with him.

We had very good football BEFORE Jerry Moore. We beat South Carolina in Columbia, had some good games with Clemson, and did some great things before him.

I have 5 points to make here.

1. When he got here we won but never anything major. We were ranked #2 in the nation preseason one time and tanked pretty bad. Anyone remember Joe Burchette and the team we had his senior year? Did you know we had 8 players that NFL teams were asking about heading in to that year and the team was suppose to be our first national title team. They did not live up to the hype and then we had the downward spiral until 2005.

2. Each year after the semifinal game in Montana we won less. We had players getting kicked off the team, lots of arguing within the staff, etc. Jerry knew he was in hot water so he started looking at the spread in 2004 and then in 2005 we entered our 2nd year of it. We started to really surprise people and gave opponents nightmares of an offense they had not seen in the SoCon.

3. You want to talk attendance? We had a lot of years of empty seats before and during Jerry. If you look, when Roachel Laney left that is when attendance soared. Go ask Gerald Adams about the first week when Laney announced he would step down (forced to by the way) and about how much Yosef giving increased and how season ticket sales were breaking records. You need to seriously go look at our attendance during and after Laney. He's the one thing that changed during that period and there is a direct correlation showing that things started getting better when Laney was gone. He made things hard for Jerry and Cobb finally gave Jerry whatever he needed to win, which helped.

4. 2005 was the perfect storm. There was energy with Laney gone, 2nd year of the new offense, and Moore had pretty much been told jokingly, that anything short of a NC would result in a change of HC. We won the NC and had so much talent from the 2003 recruiting class that we won another one, had more talent from 2006 and 2005 so we won again in 2007. I credit Moore and the staff for keeping a good system in place for those years. I credit Moore but I also credit Peacock, Cobb, our fans, and the system we had in place.

See many of you seem to think this was all Moore but there were a lot of factors involved. Go ask players from the NC teams and they will tell you that there were times when the noise at Kidd Brewer gave them such an edge and helped them. We had a lot to do with it from the money given, the atmosphere we created, the talent Moore brought in, change in mindset from Cobb, Laney gone, etc. that everything snowballed and we did great things.

5. After 2007 many of our staff left and a lot of egos, even Moore's ego, took over and there was no control within the program. Our team GPA fell below a C average, we had players getting kicked out, staff began arguing, and Jerry kept pushing his son. Finally, Cobb and them had enough and saw time for a change before the 2012 season but Jerry's ego and thinking he ran the show cost him.

You guys seem to put everything on Moore for winning but it was a team effort. EVERYONE was key in the wins and to be honest Moore was at the top while we were losing control of our team but I blame the staff as well for letting things get out of hand. Jerry is gone now and while I thank him for what he did we have to move on. The bottom line is that he did not want FBS and he was fighting it. I'll be shocked if Jerry ever endorses this move and until he does I don't see Cobb and Peacock honoring him, especially since he could have gotten Cobb fired.

Some are treating Moore like people often treat the QB. Too much blame for the bad and too much praise for the good. Jerry did some great things and definitely made mistakes. He's like the evangelist who saves 200,000 people in his lifetime but then you find out he was stealing money his last few years, loses fame, and then dies. He did great things but he also did some things in his final 5 years at App that tarnish a lot of the good he did. There will always be a split here with our fans but I look at it this way. If Jerry wants to be involved and help ASU I want him and I think our staff would want him but he doesn't want, he doesn't want FBS, and his ego is hurting him right now. I'm not mad at him because now I have what I have wanted for 20 years, FBS. I'm ready to move on to FBS and don't think we need to keep bringing this up.

[Appst1]

Kidd, Duggins and Sparky were not nearly as important to App State as Jerry Moore has been.

Erk, regardless of how long ago, was what put them on the map too.

Considering Coach Russell orchestrated the birth of GSU football he deserves most of the credit for their success. Before holding the press conference announcing they were starting football someone had to run to KMart and buy a football to put on the table. Coach Moore benefited from having the people you mentioned construct the foundation that allowed him to succeed. The guy who seems to get lost in the conversation is Jim Brakefield. He guided ASU through the transition from the NAIA to NCAA D-I and deserves a great deal of credit for what took place yesterday. In my mind that 1975 season is still the greatest season in Mountaineer Football history. Five years out of NAIA and we knock off an ACC school, South Carolina and a ECU program that was probably the 2nd best in the state. And he did it with about 50 scholarship players.

Mack Brown and Sparky Woods really deserve credit for preventing the program from potentially sliding into Western status. They picked up the ashes from the Mike Working fiasco and sowed the seeds that grew the harvest Coach Moore reaped. People tend to forget Coach Moore inherited a championship caliber program that was a win away from the national championship in 1987. Sparky left Jerry a boat load of talent yet it took him 13 years to get back to the semi finals.

Every one of those coaches played a part in getting us to where we stand today. Each one benefiting from the success of their predecessors.

Are you failing to acknowledge that Sparky Woods took a lot of that talent with him to USC? Fuller was a proven up and coming QB for ASU even though he got lost among a plethora of back field talent with the Gamecocks.

Sparky did not "take" anyone with him to USC. Coach Moore switched from the Pro I Woods ran to a option offense. Fuller was a true drop back passer and decided to transfer after going through spring practice and realizing he could not run Moore's offense. Woods went to Columbia after the recruiting class was signed. If he intended to steal a QB why didn't he "take" the highly recruited incoming freshman DJ Campbell in place of someone who only had 2 years left?

Exactly. Those who know that situation can tell you with 100% fact that Woods actually tried to talk some players into not leaving and did not try to steal them. A few guys decided to go and he took them but he did not poach our roster. Those kids just wanted to leave because of the change in system, which is not anyone's fault. Jerry had the right to run what he wanted and there was no reason Woods should not have taken those kids.

[moehler]

sorry, but I will never truly believe that the players who left were not quietly "nugged" to transfer. They may have not been approached directly with a hard sale, but,I still believe they were told quietly there was a place for them on the SC roster. I was in school when the players left, at the time I thought it was real strange that the players who transfered were starters and major contributors, and most became starters or major contributors at SC. Hell, even Moore thought something was going on, whe he took the job at App, he was asked what was the first thing he needed to do, Moore's response was "we need to stop being the minor league for South Carolina". Again, this is all speculation, no proof, just my opinion.

[JCline0429]

Kidd, Duggins and Sparky were not nearly as important to App State as Jerry Moore has been.

Erk, regardless of how long ago, was what put them on the map too.

Considering Coach Russell orchestrated the birth of GSU football he deserves most of the credit for their success. Before holding the press conference announcing they were starting football someone had to run to KMart and buy a football to put on the table. Coach Moore benefited from having the people you mentioned construct the foundation that allowed him to succeed. The guy who seems to get lost in the conversation is Jim Brakefield. He guided ASU through the transition from the NAIA to NCAA D-I and deserves a great deal of credit for what took place yesterday. In my mind that 1975 season is still the greatest season in Mountaineer Football history. Five years out of NAIA and we knock off an ACC school, South Carolina and a ECU program that was probably the 2nd best in the state. And he did it with about 50 scholarship players.

Mack Brown and Sparky Woods really deserve credit for preventing the program from potentially sliding into Western status. They picked up the ashes from the Mike Working fiasco and sowed the seeds that grew the harvest Coach Moore reaped. People tend to forget Coach Moore inherited a championship caliber program that was a win away from the national championship in 1987. Sparky left Jerry a boat load of talent yet it took him 13 years to get back to the semi finals.

Every one of those coaches played a part in getting us to where we stand today. Each one benefiting from the success of their predecessors.

Are you failing to acknowledge that Sparky Woods took a lot of that talent with him to USC? Fuller was a proven up and coming QB for ASU even though he got lost among a plethora of back field talent with the Gamecocks.

Sparky did not "take" anyone with him to USC. Coach Moore switched from the Pro I Woods ran to a option offense. Fuller was a true drop back passer and decided to transfer after going through spring practice and realizing he could not run Moore's offense. Woods went to Columbia after the recruiting class was signed. If he intended to steal a QB why didn't he "take" the highly recruited incoming freshman DJ Campbell in place of someone who only had 2 years left?

Exactly. Those who know that situation can tell you with 100% fact that Woods actually tried to talk some players into not leaving and did not try to steal them. A few guys decided to go and he took them but he did not poach our roster. Those kids just wanted to leave because of the change in system, which is not anyone's fault. Jerry had the right to run what he wanted and there was no reason Woods should not have taken those kids.

What you don't seem to know is that the staff, behind closed doors, almost encouraged some players to go with them and discouraged ones who he didn't think would benefit either themselves and/or the USC program. This info came from two players I knew from that time and an assistant coach at one of the schools being looked at by the Woods team members. Woods was one of the best coaches in ASU history, but his disparture was less than angelic. Some criticize the recent staff for leaving for greener pastures in Cullowhee but NO ONE ever examines the reasons Sparky left. He left for a much higher salary and a chance to play with the big boys on an level stage not just to escape Laney..

[JCline0429]

sorry, but I will never truly believe that the players who left were not quietly "nugged" to transfer. They may have not been approached directly with a hard sale, but,I still believe they were told quietly there was a place for them on the SC roster. I was in school when the players left, at the time I thought it was real strange that the players who transfered were starters and major contributors, and most became starters or major contributors at SC. Hell, even Moore thought something was going on, whe he took the job at App, he was asked what was the first thing he needed to do, Moore's response was "we need to stop being the minor league for South Carolina". Again, this is all speculation, no proof, just my opinion.

And you would be exactly right.

[Saint3333]

Looks like we've got two different stories about Sparky, my contacts agree with those that say he didn't attempt to take players for what little that is worth.

[JCline0429]

Looks like we've got two different stories about Sparky, my contacts agree with those that say he didn't attempt to take players for what little that is worth.

Indeed we do, as per routine.

[moehler]

ya, your right, we are discussing something here that may or may not have happen 25 years ago and has no bearing on the future of App football.

[Saint3333]

Looks like we've got two different stories about Sparky, my contacts agree with those that say he didn't attempt to take players for what little that is worth.

Indeed we do, as per routine.

I'm amazed that at the streak you've been on this past decade, was my father wrong about blind squirrels?

[AppinVA]

What you don't seem to know is that the staff, behind closed doors, almost encouraged some players to go with them and discouraged ones who he didn't think would benefit either themselves and/or the USC program. This info came from two players I knew from that time and an assistant coach at one of the schools being looked at by the Woods team members. Woods was one of the best coaches in ASU history, but his disparture was less than angelic. Some criticize the recent staff for leaving for greener pastures in Cullowhee but NO ONE ever examines the reasons Sparky left. He left for a much higher salary and a chance to play with the big boys on an level stage not just to escape Laney..

What? I don't know of anyone who criticizes those who left for leaving. I wish them well there, and hope they can find success, and I'm sure that's the consensus of the rest of the MMB. Going a step further, I'm guessing most are glad most of them are anywhere but Boone.

I won't even touch your calling Cullowhee greener pastures, except to caution that you can't judge the greenness of a pasture by how bad the place smells, but you can safely assume there are more flies around.

[eggers76]

I intended to stay out of this because there really is just too much hashing and rehashing of the same old stuff. AppSt1, you were pretty close when you started your post that some on here have too much hate for Jerry and some have too much love. But then your 5 five points just served to only knock him down with the same old rehashing of stale points, in my opinion only.

A few years ago the Charlotte Observer (unbelievably out of all the papers in NC) printed a story about how they rated our ASU program as the best overall program in BOTH Carolinas. Thats pretty amazing and when you look at total history I, in my biased opinion, think they were right. We have a great long history of winning coaches and great players who played for those coaches and represented most all of us at one time or another. I think you have to look at the whole picture when describing our program. The new guys on here would do well to learn about the old coaches, players, and records and us "old heads" can do a better job of appreciating what we have now.

I started school here in 1976, one season removed from the great 1975 season. I agree in that I think we were incredibly fortunate to have Coach Brakefield lead us from NAIA to D1. He really set the stage for us at that time of upward mobility, and from what I remember he has handicapped by some mightily stingy administration. I also believe that when we started passing heavily from our previously run dominated wishbone offense it was a stroke of football genious. What I remember also from the late 70's though was that we were incredibly inconsistent. From 76-79 we won, 6,2,7, and 3 games in those seasons. I remember that we could score on anyone but we had a hard time stopping the other teams from scoring too. Even in the 75 season when we had the big wins, we also lost that season to Furman, Richmond, and WCU. If Al Gore would have invented the Internet back before that era and we would have had something other than those clunky key punch machines to type out our thoughts, this board would have absolutely imploded over those losses. One other thing that I admire about Coach Brakefield is that he probably knew when the time was right to step down.

As a sidebar, during part of this same era, hindsight really makes me appreciate what Bobby Cremins did to build a basketball program at ASU. Too bad we did not emulate our football experience and keep the basketball program moving up, but that's altogether a story of its own.

I really believe that Sparky gave us the push that we needed to get to a higher level. I loved the defensive football we played then and I think Sparky was a great recruiter. We got some really high level players back then. Sparky was also consistent, though we did drop back some the next year after we had made it to the semi-finals. Some ups and downs are to be expected even if we don't like them too much.

Coach Moore came along as an outsider with a not so proven resume and I wondered why we hired him at the time. After a shaky start though he took what the others had built and IMPROVED it. I have always heard it is easier to build a program than to maintain one. I don't think there is any agrument that the program has built on the previous success and not just maintained it. The consistency of winning over such a long period of time is pretty rare and we have all benefitted and had a lot of reason to be very proud. But I have come to believe the timing was right to move on, though a few short months ago I did not believe this.

I now think it is time to move on and see what happens in this next period of our upward mobility. Let's remember ALL of our history but let's move on and suppport coach Satt and his staff and players. Only time and experience will determine whether we are still building or moving back. I look forward to the future of App State football (and the rest of our teams) in the Sun Belt or wherever we end up.

Let's all move on.
Sorry to be so long winded. It is great to be a Mountaineer!

[Kgfish]

Kidd, Duggins and Sparky were not nearly as important to App State as Jerry Moore has been.

Erk, regardless of how long ago, was what put them on the map too.

Considering Coach Russell orchestrated the birth of GSU football he deserves most of the credit for their success. Before holding the press conference announcing they were starting football someone had to run to KMart and buy a football to put on the table. Coach Moore benefited from having the people you mentioned construct the foundation that allowed him to succeed. The guy who seems to get lost in the conversation is Jim Brakefield. He guided ASU through the transition from the NAIA to NCAA D-I and deserves a great deal of credit for what took place yesterday. In my mind that 1975 season is still the greatest season in Mountaineer Football history. Five years out of NAIA and we knock off an ACC school, South Carolina and a ECU program that was probably the 2nd best in the state. And he did it with about 50 scholarship players.

Mack Brown and Sparky Woods really deserve credit for preventing the program from potentially sliding into Western status. They picked up the ashes from the Mike Working fiasco and sowed the seeds that grew the harvest Coach Moore reaped. People tend to forget Coach Moore inherited a championship caliber program that was a win away from the national championship in 1987. Sparky left Jerry a boat load of talent yet it took him 13 years to get back to the semi finals.

Every one of those coaches played a part in getting us to where we stand today. Each one benefiting from the success of their predecessors.

Are you failing to acknowledge that Sparky Woods took a lot of that talent with him to USC? Fuller was a proven up and coming QB for ASU even though he got lost among a plethora of back field talent with the Gamecocks.

Sparky did not "take" anyone with him to USC. Coach Moore switched from the Pro I Woods ran to a option offense. Fuller was a true drop back passer and decided to transfer after going through spring practice and realizing he could not run Moore's offense. Woods went to Columbia after the recruiting class was signed. If he intended to steal a QB why didn't he "take" the highly recruited incoming freshman DJ Campbell in place of someone who only had 2 years left?

Exactly. Those who know that situation can tell you with 100% fact that Woods actually tried to talk some players into not leaving and did not try to steal them. A few guys decided to go and he took them but he did not poach our roster. Those kids just wanted to leave because of the change in system, which is not anyone's fault. Jerry had the right to run what he wanted and there was no reason Woods should not have taken those kids.

Sparky told me he called Jerry and gave him the names of the players who were contacting him about transferring. He also urged every one to stay at ASU. This was not some mass migration of players and only 3 left for USC. Bobby Fuller, Jay Killen - who's Dad played at USC. Rocky Clay actually played his sophomore year under Moore before transferring. Killen told me offensive line coach David Browning said he couldn't start for ASU anyway. Browning is the same guy who ran off Strength Coach Chip Sigmon.

[Kgfish]

Hell, even Moore thought something was going on, whe he took the job at App, he was asked what was the first thing he needed to do, Moore's response was "we need to stop being the minor league for South Carolina". Again, this is all speculation, no proof, just my opinion.

In almost 40 years of intimately following ASU football I've never heard anything remotely close to that. I know several players who left the next fall - one being pre season All American Chris Conner - and I can assure you it had nothing to do with Sparky Woods and everything to do with the staff Coach Moore brought to ASU. I also know Ruffin McNeil well and he has never said anything about Sparky taking players. If you know Ruffin you know he doesn't hold his words for anyone.

There is a flaw with the timeline of the supposed statement. How could Coach Moore make that comment when he took the job if all the players who eventually left went through spring practice at ASU and transferred when the semester was over?

[/quote]I was in school when the players left, at the time I thought it was real strange that the players who transfered were starters and major contributors, and most became starters or major contributors at SC.[/quote]

Wrong. Only 2 guys (Fuller and Killen) transferred who played major minutes. Rocky Clay was a seldom used running back who played at ASU his soph for Jerry Moore before transferring. In 1989 Jerry Moore returned 3 starters on the ol, starting tb and a 2 receivers. On defense 3 starters on the line, 2 starting lbs and 3 starters in the secondary. Contrary to popular myth Jerry Moore did not inherit a wasteland.