Miami vs. ASU Color Guard

[ukappfan]

I mean how can you prove or disprove what was said. They could have said nasty things and nether side can prove one way or the other.

[CF34]

I mean how can you prove or disprove what was said. They could have said nasty things and nether side can prove one way or the other.

There is no evidence of any contact whatsoever between UM football players and App St. band/colorguard members. At this point it is up to the accuser to prove anything happened and not up to UM to prove that zero comments were directed towards any App State person.

[ukappfan]

I didn't say contact. I do not believe anyone was knocked over. UM can't prove that nothing was said just as much as the App person can prove they did. This situation needs to just be taken care of by the person. App as a school did nothing wrong.

[CF34]

I didn't say contact. I do not believe anyone was knocked over. UM can't prove that nothing was said just as much as the App person can prove they did. This situation needs to just be taken care of by the person. App as a school did nothing wrong.

I hope you realize how ridiculous that comment sounds.

Also, just like Miami has to account for the actions of one of its representatives, App St. has to account for the actions of one of theirs. This girl is not just a random student, she is a member of your band/colorguard. She represents the school just like a football player represents UM. Her claims have damaged the reputation of the Miami football team. Video evidence shows that her claims are false. Not one single video has appeared corroborating her story. So yes, just like the UM AD has had to make a statement, so should the App St. AD.

[/\PP ST/\TE GRAD 09]

How much can really be said by players in the short period of time they took to run out with a loud stadium? I hate to side with Miami fans here, but come on.

[daytonacane]

vegattk, I in no way threatened you but made a statement as to Miami knew your name which I saw posted on one of the Miami Boards. I actually don't approve that your name was posted. AppState is in no way responsible for this, however, if it was made up or exaggerated by one of their color guard students, they should take action. I think what probably happened is that a small color guard female was frightened by large players in pads running on the field so near them. Regardless, I do wish your team well in the remainder of your games. Signing off now. Look forward to seeing you in a couple of years in Miami.

[TheMoody1]

Miami AD is on record saying no evidence has been presented that supports these claims. When is the statement coming from the App St. AD?

Get a life.

[TheAppalachianState]

This story needs to get cleaned up, fast. I too saw the video tapes and personally can't say that I saw someone get knocked down as claimed before. Even if one of the Miami football players did bump into someone accidentally, they are coming on to the field extremely amped up, App's color guard or whoever was near the vicinity shouldn't be anywhere near them or their tunnel. No strong evidence, no case, even if this is true.

[yosef13]

Guys, this thing is over. The girls claimed something happened. Over reacted. An apology was apparently received. Apology was accepted. Now both sides need to put it to rest.

[CF34]

Guys, this thing is over. The girls claimed something happened. Over reacted. An apology was apparently received. Apology was accepted. Now both sides need to put it to rest.

The story isn't "over" until this girl publicly retracts her claim that she was "groped" on the field. The fact that she is conveninetly changing her story to say she was just "run over and shoved" in that local article where she claims to have received an apology letter does nothing to change the fact that numerous national media outlets are running with her initial claims. The damage has been done and it is App St.'s duty to fix this.

[ukappfan]

If the two schools say it's over then it's over. You feel like you should get a personal I'm sorry.

[CF34]

Miami is taking the high road and saying it is "over". App St. and this girl are getting let off easy. So remember this next time one of you want to refer to us as "Thug U"

Also, our AD said he did not apologize in any letter to the girl.

“I didn’t apologize in the letter, so I wouldn’t classify it as an apology letter,” James said. “If that’s what she wants to go with to allow her to move forward, I’m not going to sit here and argue semantics in the media.”

[yosef13]

He said she said. This is the most ridiculous thing I've ever seen. I have no idea what happened on the field, or what has happened since.
All I know based on this quote you provided, is your AD seems ready to move forward. I think you should as well. This story is over.

[CF34]

He said she said. This is the most ridiculous thing I've ever seen. I have no idea what happened on the field, or what has happened since.
All I know based on this quote you provided, is your AD seems ready to move forward. I think you should as well. This story is over.

It was more of a she said, he looked at the tape and saw no evidence of anything she accused he of, but I get your overall point. It is time to move on. As a Miami fan and more importantly a male, I am dissapointed that a female is able to make reputation damaging accusations and walk away scot free when it is shown she made it all up. However, there will be no justice in this case.

Good luck the rest of the way. If addressed, I'll continue to comment, but unless something changes or new news comes out, I'll drop it. Good luck in the future and we will see you in 2021

[Go Canes]

I hope this message I found from a band of distinction member finds its way to those in the athletic office. IF this happened, and I'm sure there were enough cameras to catch some of this mess, something needs to be said...

I'm certain Mark Richt would not put up with this...

"Today was a weird day. Appalachian played University of Miami in Boone this afternoon, and unfortunately it was a loss for the Mountaineers.
I want to start out by saying that I know that Color Guard isn't viewed highly of by the common individual, let alone most individuals. It's a thing that I enjoy doing, and I've grown a thick skin in regards to how it's viewed. I've learned not to care; however, I do care deeply about my fellow color guard section members, and will not tolerate being outwardly disrespected.
For the end of our marching band's pregame show today, the color guard was lined up in groups on the back sideline as well as 8 steps in front of the back sideline. Typically, the opposing football team will make an effort to run around us as we spin to our fight song, apologizing if they get in our way or make an effort to avoid us completely. Today, Miami's football team decided to blind side one of our members on the corner of the field. She was shoved by several very large, intentionally aggressive, football players. No apologies were made regarding this incident, and the member who was hit had severe pain and had to sit for most of the game. I turned around just as this was happening, and was immediately furious and upset. Leaving the field, I thought that this was the only incident that occurred. It turns out that several other members were groped, sworn at, taunted, and touched in ways that were definitely not asked for.
I will not tolerate events like this occurring. This is 2016, and I will not tolerate excessive cat calling, harassment, and violence towards others, especially without due cause. I will not sit back and allow this to happen because I am a woman or because "it's all in good fun". At its simplest form, it's assault, and I will not tolerate it.
I was told repeatedly today that Miami's team is notoriously scum, but that is no reason to sit back and let this happen. I can't even imagine how many other events similar to this one have occurred. I know the likelihood of this event gaining attention is very slim, because at the end of the day, we're "just the color guard". I want to call attention to the fact that this is unacceptable, but ultimately I'm unsure of the next steps to take. It's worth trying.
On a more positive note, I was on ESPN today because I decided to walk behind an interview and make a weird face.
Don't stand for something just because you think you don't have power over the situation, have a nice night."

I am grateful you placed that all caps IF on there. As shown in the following comments, others were not willing to wait until the evidence came in, which is disappointing. Some even broke the rules of this forum in the process, with hatefilled attacks on fans of the Canes and even using the racist codeword "Thug" to describe Miami, the school, the fans, and the players. http://time.com/2369/richard-sherman-thug-n-word/ It is a shame that what was to be a banner moment for the school, with a Power 5 team that has always said "Anytime, anywhere" in their scheduling, chose to come into Boone, helped set a record in attendance, and had NOTHING but positives to say about the treatment we got there, now has to defend against sexual assault charges in this era where sexual assaults are finally being taken seriously by schools. This is not a charge that can go away lightly, and will follow our school for years to come, despite the complete lack of evidence, and in fact video showing that there was no "blindsiding", "surrounding" (from a later article), "groping", or other "intentionally aggressive" acts. Of course, the hearsay claim (apparently by the band director) that "Miami's team is notoriously scum", is another posted, reposted, tweeted, retweeted, and otherwise spread out attack that our school cannot defend itself against without dragging the person making that claim through the mud. Miami has chosen to take the high road, has said that if ANY evidence is provided of these sexual assualts, that the players involved will be punished, but there seems to be no recourse for the school if these charges are shown to be false.

[Go Canes]

I just want the truth to be found out. Nobody should have to be on either end of this story. Hopefully, there is camera evidence that shows what happened beyond a shadow of a doubt.

Here is that evidence you were looking for. ASU football members come out after their team is announced, as normal, and are given up to the hashmark in space to run out onto the field. Then the Miami football members come out after their team is announced, as normal, and are given... NO space to run out onto the field. Yet they successfully dodge every person, swinging pole, and musical instrument along the way.
At no point is a color guard member knocked down.
At no point is a color guard member surrounded.
At no point is a color guard member groped.
At no point is a color guard member sexually assaulted.



In fact, the ONLY comment made on the video was that your team came in with smoke, something the Canes are famous for. We are so grateful that the video exists, because otherwise it would be the word of some young lady against a "group of notorious scum" and "thugs" as we have been called. Much like the video showing an unarmed Terence Crutcher is the only way to disprove the officer's claim that he was being hostile toward her. She said he dead is how it would have been otherwise.

[Go Canes]

Whether they made contact or not is wasn't a classy move to run through the band upon entering. I noticed it from the west stands, 5-6 players run in front of the color guard versus staying on the turf behind the sidelines or the track.

The ASU players were given up to the hashmark to run full speed out onto the field, while Miami players were given no room, which they could have had if the band had centered themselves. When ASU went to Tennessee, they ran out onto the field AND were given room to do so. To blame the Canes players for the poor placement of the ASU band is just wrong.

[Go Canes]

vegattk,how exactly did you come into possession of this note? I believe there is possibly liable in this case

The term is libel. Though it doesn't appear anyone in particular was defamed. I'm not a lawyer but I would think it would require targeting a specific individual with the accusation in order for it to be considered libelous.

Actually, when she and her band director generalized to the entire Miami team as "notorious scum", the team, as a company, can sue for defamation and libel. Since she has done both the spoken version on TV and the written version on Facebook, she can be sued for both.

http://thelawdictionary.org/article/whe ... and-libel/

[Go Canes]

BS, and the best angle yet.....

Maybe the color guard was knocked over when the players KNEELED in PRAYER. I doubt any of them said "Pardon me, I am going to stop my groping of you to thank God for this opportunity to play."

[Go Canes]

I will also mention that I CAN NOT see any kind of movement from the person in question from the vantage point of the press box video. None. Nada. I certainly hope this isn't a case of wild exaggeration. We have all seen how these types of things can get legs of their own.
IF this didn't happen there needs to be an apology from the color guard member in question.

And you!

I see no reason for him to apologize. He reported the fact that someone was making an accusation, and put a big IF on it. He did nothing wrong, and therefore has no reason to apologize. The color guard member that accused us of sexual assault, however....