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Unread post by ASUPATCH » Sun Mar 15, 2015 3:27 pm

Yeah Directv isn't an option where we live. Also directv doesn't offer internet.
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Unread post by AppinVA » Sun Mar 15, 2015 3:51 pm

ASUPATCH wrote:Yeah Directv isn't an option where we live. Also directv doesn't offer internet.
There are other options without having to make a...ummm...federal case out of it. :lol:
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Unread post by ASUPATCH » Sun Mar 15, 2015 4:28 pm

Actually, where I live there is not.
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Unread post by AppinVA » Sun Mar 15, 2015 5:00 pm

There are bound to be some tradeoffs when you set up out in the sticks. Still, the answer to your situation is not more regulation. I doubt you'll find your bill goes down, or that your services go up. In fact, I'm sure the opposite will be the case.
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Unread post by ASUPATCH » Sun Mar 15, 2015 7:19 pm

First time I have ever heard downtown Denver Colorado referred to as "the sticks".
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Unread post by AppinVA » Sun Mar 15, 2015 9:15 pm

ASUPATCH wrote:First time I have ever heard downtown Denver Colorado referred to as "the sticks".
Then I'm sure you have more options than Comcast and federal regulation.
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Unread post by ASUPATCH » Sun Mar 15, 2015 11:04 pm

Some areas have access to century link, we do not. The vast majority of Denver CO is Comcast only for internet and if you live in an apartment complex you are married to them. Worst customer service and product of any company I have ever dealt with. And I used to think Charter was bad.
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Unread post by AppinVA » Mon Mar 16, 2015 12:09 am

I figured Fios would have a presence there.
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Unread post by 97grad » Mon Mar 16, 2015 6:56 am

AppinVA wrote:I figured Fios would have a presence there.
Verizon is done with FiOS. They will support the customers they have, but they announced years ago they are not building it out any further. You seem to be under the impression that there is an actual free market for internet access. 85% of the country is covered by 2 or fewer broadband providers, and the "other" one is typically DSL over copper which is demonstrably inferior, and probably shouldn't even be called broadband by today's standards.

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Unread post by HeffnerIV » Mon Mar 16, 2015 7:31 am

My mother runs her net exclusively off of a cell router for which she pays cellular data. There are other options.

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Unread post by AppinVA » Mon Mar 16, 2015 8:41 am

97grad wrote:
AppinVA wrote:I figured Fios would have a presence there.
Verizon is done with FiOS. They will support the customers they have, but they announced years ago they are not building it out any further. You seem to be under the impression that there is an actual free market for internet access. 85% of the country is covered by 2 or fewer broadband providers, and the "other" one is typically DSL over copper which is demonstrably inferior, and probably shouldn't even be called broadband by today's standards.
Sounds like business opportunities to me. One thing to realize is that cable companies sign a deal with localities for exclusive territory rights (de facto government regulation -- on the local level, at least). If not, our phone poles could look like what you see in New Delhi. However, where I live (Clarksville, Virginia), which an offshoot of the sticks, I apparently have more options than does Patch (downtown Denver, Colorado). Who knew?
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Unread post by bcoach » Mon Mar 16, 2015 8:48 am

AppinVA wrote:
97grad wrote:
AppinVA wrote:I figured Fios would have a presence there.
Verizon is done with FiOS. They will support the customers they have, but they announced years ago they are not building it out any further. You seem to be under the impression that there is an actual free market for internet access. 85% of the country is covered by 2 or fewer broadband providers, and the "other" one is typically DSL over copper which is demonstrably inferior, and probably shouldn't even be called broadband by today's standards.
Sounds like business opportunities to me. One thing to realize is that cable companies sign a deal with localities for exclusive territory rights (de facto government regulation -- on the local level, at least). If not, our phone poles could look like what you see in New Delhi. However, where I live (Clarksville, Virginia), which an offshoot of the sticks, I apparently have more options than does Patch (downtown Denver, Colorado). Who knew?
I also am in Virginia and have run 5-6 computers here in the office on DSL you about 5 years. This year we switched to cable and the ONLY difference we have noticed is that it goes down more.

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Unread post by Yosef » Tue Mar 17, 2015 5:01 pm

AppinVA wrote:
97grad wrote:
AppinVA wrote:I figured Fios would have a presence there.
Verizon is done with FiOS. They will support the customers they have, but they announced years ago they are not building it out any further. You seem to be under the impression that there is an actual free market for internet access. 85% of the country is covered by 2 or fewer broadband providers, and the "other" one is typically DSL over copper which is demonstrably inferior, and probably shouldn't even be called broadband by today's standards.
Sounds like business opportunities to me. One thing to realize is that cable companies sign a deal with localities for exclusive territory rights (de facto government regulation -- on the local level, at least). If not, our phone poles could look like what you see in New Delhi. However, where I live (Clarksville, Virginia), which an offshoot of the sticks, I apparently have more options than does Patch (downtown Denver, Colorado). Who knew?
I live just outside of Hartford CT and I only have one option as well. I have actually never lived where if I wanted something faster than DSL I had more than one option.

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Unread post by AppState1 » Tue Mar 17, 2015 5:41 pm

Maybe Clarksville VA doesn't have a franchise agreement that limits competition.

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Unread post by AppState1 » Tue Mar 17, 2015 5:43 pm

HeffnerIV wrote:My mother runs her net exclusively off of a cell router for which she pays cellular data. There are other options.
How much data does she use? Parents aren't typically the best example for common Internet usage.

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AppState wrote:
HeffnerIV wrote:My mother runs her net exclusively off of a cell router for which she pays cellular data. There are other options.
How much data does she use? Parents aren't typically the best example for common Internet usage.
She uses it like a high school girl. It is more expensive, but it's another available option.

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Unread post by AppinVA » Tue Mar 17, 2015 6:41 pm

AppState wrote:Maybe Clarksville VA doesn't have a franchise agreement that limits competition.
It does, but you cannot encourage competition by increasing regulation. You just can't.
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Unread post by AppState1 » Tue Mar 17, 2015 6:45 pm

Take Chattanooga and Wilson nc for example. They will increase competition by ending these ridiculous laws limiting community broadband. I think that is good. And one of the objectives of this new law.

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Unread post by NewApp » Tue Mar 17, 2015 9:14 pm

bcoach wrote:
AppinVA wrote:
97grad wrote:
AppinVA wrote:I figured Fios would have a presence there.
Verizon is done with FiOS. They will support the customers they have, but they announced years ago they are not building it out any further. You seem to be under the impression that there is an actual free market for internet access. 85% of the country is covered by 2 or fewer broadband providers, and the "other" one is typically DSL over copper which is demonstrably inferior, and probably shouldn't even be called broadband by today's standards.
Sounds like business opportunities to me. One thing to realize is that cable companies sign a deal with localities for exclusive territory rights (de facto government regulation -- on the local level, at least). If not, our phone poles could look like what you see in New Delhi. However, where I live (Clarksville, Virginia), which an offshoot of the sticks, I apparently have more options than does Patch (downtown Denver, Colorado). Who knew?
I also am in Virginia and have run 5-6 computers here in the office on DSL you about 5 years. This year we switched to cable and the ONLY difference we have noticed is that it goes down more.
Same here in NC but I only had two computers. Thankfully I only kept cable a little over a year.
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Unread post by NewApp » Tue Mar 17, 2015 9:16 pm

AppinVA wrote:
AppState wrote:Maybe Clarksville VA doesn't have a franchise agreement that limits competition.
It does, but you cannot encourage competition by increasing regulation. You just can't.
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