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Unread post by biggie » Tue Apr 27, 2021 9:11 pm

Zac at 17th for QBs but not in too 350. No mention of any other App player.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/draft2021/insi ... tion-ranks

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Unread post by booneboy92 » Tue Apr 27, 2021 9:26 pm

Yeah, I read that too. I would’ve expected Sherm, at least, somewhere in the top 250 or so (somewhere in the 7 rounds)... but not even in the top 350?! SMH

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Unread post by Saint3333 » Tue Apr 27, 2021 9:28 pm

SJC will be on a roster, for those that don’t draft him they’ll regret it.

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Unread post by booneboy92 » Tue Apr 27, 2021 9:46 pm

I know (and kinda get) the P5/G5 bias... And not to sound butt hurt, but I can’t help but feel that some particular media “analysts” have it in for App State... I just can’t figure out why?! BTW, DJ has repped us well during the draft buildup, with the helmets behind him for two weeks!

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Re: Top 350 NFL Draft 2021 ESPN

Unread post by The Rock » Wed Apr 28, 2021 7:55 am

Saint3333 wrote:
Tue Apr 27, 2021 9:28 pm
SJC will be on a roster, for those that don’t draft him they’ll regret it.
I agree. Really feel like he will be a hidden gem in this draft. Hopefully he reunites with Rowe and can stay healthy.
Not getting any attention despite being near the top in all stats from the previous year is insane

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Re: Top 350 NFL Draft 2021 ESPN

Unread post by AppStFan1 » Wed Apr 28, 2021 8:36 am

biggie wrote:
Tue Apr 27, 2021 9:11 pm
Zac at 17th for QBs but not in too 350. No mention of any other App player.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/draft2021/insi ... tion-ranks
I'm very surprised they don't have Sherm in the top 350. I figured he would be 225-300 range and Zac would be 300-350 or a top PFA just outside of it.

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Unread post by AppStFan1 » Wed Apr 28, 2021 8:40 am

Saint3333 wrote:
Tue Apr 27, 2021 9:28 pm
SJC will be on a roster, for those that don’t draft him they’ll regret it.
I am with you that he will. If he does not get picked in the 6-7 range then he will be a really good PFA for sure.

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Unread post by Yosef84 » Wed Apr 28, 2021 8:43 am

Just my opinion but I think these ratings done by media folks are fine for what they are, but they aren't gospel. The scouts do a lot more work on assessments whereas the media rely heavily on the tests and metrics. SJC's measurables looked average in his workout, but the scouts know he's a gamer. I think he goes in the draft and makes a roster. I'll be a little surprised in Zac gets drafted (although I'm pulling for him) but he might get an UFA role.

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Re: Top 350 NFL Draft 2021 ESPN

Unread post by AppStFan1 » Wed Apr 28, 2021 8:49 am

booneboy92 wrote:
Tue Apr 27, 2021 9:46 pm
I know (and kinda get) the P5/G5 bias... And not to sound butt hurt, but I can’t help but feel that some particular media “analysts” have it in for App State... I just can’t figure out why?! BTW, DJ has repped us well during the draft buildup, with the helmets behind him for two weeks!
I'm sure the Michigan grads in the media do not like us, even though they got us back several years later. LOL. As for nationally I don't think there is a bias against us. It just feels that way because we believe we have been so good we deserve more hype. The issue is that we have not yet beat a ranked P5, won a bowl vs a P5, or had an undefeated season in FBS so we just have not had the media jump on our train. They were on CCU bandwagon because they were undefeated and beat the SBC dynasty along with a drubbing of a P5 team. Many jumped off as soon as Liberty happened. We really need an undefeated season to take the next step and achieve what you are hoping for in the media.

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Re: Top 350 NFL Draft 2021 ESPN

Unread post by AppStFan1 » Wed Apr 28, 2021 8:51 am

Yosef84 wrote:
Wed Apr 28, 2021 8:43 am
Just my opinion but I think these ratings done by media folks are fine for what they are, but they aren't gospel. The scouts do a lot more work on assessments whereas the media rely heavily on the tests and metrics. SJC's measurables looked average in his workout, but the scouts know he's a gamer. I think he goes in the draft and makes a roster. I'll be a little surprised in Zac gets drafted (although I'm pulling for him) but he might get an UFA role.
I'm hearing Sherm could get drafted but just depends on how much he makes these teams fall in love with him in these zoom calls they are doing with prospect this week and the last month or so.

If you think Zac is the 17th best QB in the draft then you think he is the 5th worst in the draft. There are only like 22 or 23 QBs draft eligible this year. Due to supply and demand it would be shocking if Zac does not get signed.

This draft is so thin that right now I believe Jolly, Taylor, Kaiden Smith, and even Corey Sutton probably made a mistake in not coming out. Taylor would have gotten drafted and maybe even Sutton but I think they all would have made a roster. Taylor and Sutton for sure probably should have. The draft will have about 3x as many players next year as this year. There aren't enough draft eligible overall to have the same amount sign UDFA deals as there usually is sign.
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Unread post by t4pizza » Wed Apr 28, 2021 9:03 am

Surprised to see Sherm not mentioned at all, and really getting no hype anywhere. He proved on the field that he is an elite cb but still nothing. Makes me really wonder if his speed isn't indicative of top NFL cb. I say that simply because the NFL is such a metric driven league and if the scouts think he can play but is too slow that would explain his lack of mentions and hype. I wonder how his speed times match up against those cornerbacks that made that list.

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Re: Top 350 NFL Draft 2021 ESPN

Unread post by AppStFan1 » Wed Apr 28, 2021 9:06 am

t4pizza wrote:
Wed Apr 28, 2021 9:03 am
Surprised to see Sherm not mentioned at all, and really getting no hype anywhere. He proved on the field that he is an elite cb but still nothing. Makes me really wonder if his speed isn't indicative of top NFL cb. I say that simply because the NFL is such a metric driven league and if the scouts think he can play but is too slow that would explain his lack of mentions and hype. I wonder how his speed times match up against those cornerbacks that made that list.
He was 5'10 3/8, 184 pounds and ran 4.47, 4.51, 4.53 and 4.50 on clocks that I saw. He only had a 1.62 10-yard. That is not awful but not above average for a draftable skill guy. I would say if he had ran 4.45 consistently and then clocked a 1.55 or better 10-yard (and it showed on film) that he would go top 100. I expect him to go in 6 or 7.
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Unread post by WVAPPeer » Wed Apr 28, 2021 9:57 am

CBS sports has him at #217.... sorry don't have the link
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Re: Top 350 NFL Draft 2021 ESPN

Unread post by biggie » Wed Apr 28, 2021 10:34 am

WVAPPeer wrote:
Wed Apr 28, 2021 9:57 am
CBS sports has him at #217.... sorry don't have the link
I looked it up.

#389 for Zac on this one.

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/prospect-rankings/

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Unread post by t4pizza » Wed Apr 28, 2021 11:09 am

AppStFan1 wrote:
Wed Apr 28, 2021 9:06 am
t4pizza wrote:
Wed Apr 28, 2021 9:03 am
Surprised to see Sherm not mentioned at all, and really getting no hype anywhere. He proved on the field that he is an elite cb but still nothing. Makes me really wonder if his speed isn't indicative of top NFL cb. I say that simply because the NFL is such a metric driven league and if the scouts think he can play but is too slow that would explain his lack of mentions and hype. I wonder how his speed times match up against those cornerbacks that made that list.
He was 5'10 3/8, 184 pounds and ran 4.47, 4.51, 4.53 and 4.50 on clocks that I saw. He only had a 1.62 10-yard. That is not awful but not above average for a draftable skill guy. I would say if he had ran 4.45 consistently and then clocked a 1.55 or better 10-yard (and it showed on film) that he would be a lock to get picked. It would not shock me if he goes 6-7 or undrafted.

Thanks for the info, pretty much supports my hypothesis. G5 guys need the measurables to get big NFL attention, even more so than their quality of play because without the measurables the pros just dismiss the good play as being done against inferior competition. If the measurables back up the play, the quality of competition doesn't really enter the conversation too much.

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Re: Top 350 NFL Draft 2021 ESPN

Unread post by bigdaddyg » Wed Apr 28, 2021 2:14 pm

I don’t think that the fact that we haven’t beaten a top 25 P5, the bowl game deal or anything like that makes any difference as it relates to how high one of our guys gets drafted. After about the 3rd round you see dudes getting drafted that almost nobody has heard of. These teams have staffs of knowledgeable guys studying film and use scouting reports. I seriously doubt that any of them rely on some top 350 list. In my opinion if a player like SJC doesn’t get drafted early he could be better off as a FA then he can try for teams who need his position the most. I’m really not sure about Zac but there are lots of 3rd string QB’s who don’t come close to his ability. Seems like there is always a spot on a scout team.

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Unread post by AppStFan1 » Wed Apr 28, 2021 6:43 pm

t4pizza wrote:
Wed Apr 28, 2021 11:09 am
AppStFan1 wrote:
Wed Apr 28, 2021 9:06 am
t4pizza wrote:
Wed Apr 28, 2021 9:03 am
Surprised to see Sherm not mentioned at all, and really getting no hype anywhere. He proved on the field that he is an elite cb but still nothing. Makes me really wonder if his speed isn't indicative of top NFL cb. I say that simply because the NFL is such a metric driven league and if the scouts think he can play but is too slow that would explain his lack of mentions and hype. I wonder how his speed times match up against those cornerbacks that made that list.
He was 5'10 3/8, 184 pounds and ran 4.47, 4.51, 4.53 and 4.50 on clocks that I saw. He only had a 1.62 10-yard. That is not awful but not above average for a draftable skill guy. I would say if he had ran 4.45 consistently and then clocked a 1.55 or better 10-yard (and it showed on film) that he would go high but I could see 6th or 7th round.

Thanks for the info, pretty much supports my hypothesis. G5 guys need the measurables to get big NFL attention, even more so than their quality of play because without the measurables the pros just dismiss the good play as being done against inferior competition. If the measurables back up the play, the quality of competition doesn't really enter the conversation too much.
Think of it this way. What does Jean-Charles have that makes him stand out? There are a lot of 5'10, 185 pound corners with 4.5 speed and ball production. He didn't run a 4.38, block 4 kicks, return 4 picks for TDs, etc type stuff that made him truly special. He was a very good player for us that I expect to make a team but I can see why he would go undrafted or be a 6th-7th round pick. If he were 6'1 and ran a 4.40 then he would be going in the top 100.
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Re: Top 350 NFL Draft 2021 ESPN

Unread post by AppFan11 » Thu Apr 29, 2021 9:38 am

I saw last night that Mel Kiper listed SJC as his 136th out of top 300. I think there’s a chance he could go in the 6th but more likely in the 7th. He’ll get every chance to make a club.

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