Joey's quest for the bag

[appdaze]

It's looking like Joey might get a 6th season. Get that SEC money! This will be his last chance since he isnt really nfl material. I hope he gets it.


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[ASUFan4863]

His situation is unique but he has been in some form of college for 6 years. If the NCAA changes their 5 years to play 4 to just a blanket 5 years to play, will he try for additional eligibility again next year? At some point, the NCAA has to stop letting lawyers and judges dictate their rules.

[BallantyneApp]

I like Joey and I wish him well, but he’s going to be 25 for next season. This shouldn’t be allowed. I understand why he’s going for it as it’s prob $2MM plus, but 25 year olds really shouldn’t be playing college football

[Saint3333]

Let the 25 year olds play, leads to trickle down impacts to players at other levels.

I'm half joking of course.

[ASUFan4863]

I like Joey and I wish him well, but he’s going to be 25 for next season. This shouldn’t be allowed. I understand why he’s going for it as it’s prob $2MM plus, but 25 year olds really shouldn’t be playing college football

Crazy to think he will make more in 2 years at Tennessee as a “student” athlete than the median lifetime earnings of master degree graduates according to Google.

[biggie]

If they are letting basketball players go back to playing in college after playing in the NBA I'm not sure what is going to happen. Will it just be a pro league that doesn't even run out of eligibility and you truly can be a life long student?

[t4pizza]

I actually think that Joey's legal argument makes complete sense and that he should prevail. The NCAA has absolutely ZERO authority over junior colleges so why should they be able to dictate that playing in a junior college takes away eligibility? I really see it not much different than a prep school. Basketball players for years would spend a year at a prep school, after completing high school, and that year would never count against college eligibility. Why should it be different with junior colleges? I don't think the NCAA has the legal right to deny a player the full compliment of eligibility because he choose, or had to for various reasons, to go to junior college first. I would also feel the same about any level of college that the NCAA does not have control over, looking at you NAIA schools. To me it is no different then if a player worked for couple of years after high school before entering college, that player would still get the full eligibility; so why shouldn't the guy that choose to go to a junior/community college get the same? The NCAA wants to say that college is college but they surely can't expect to be able to dictate rules for every college that doesn't belong to the NCAA. They should not be able to count jr/community college playing years as NCAA years. Go Joey!

[t4pizza]

If they are letting basketball players go back to playing in college after playing in the NBA I'm not sure what is going to happen. Will it just be a pro league that doesn't even run out of eligibility and you truly can be a life long student?

Easy solution, once a player enters a college within the NCAA umbrella then the player has the 4 years of eligibility within 5 years (or soon to be a flat out 5 in 5). Nothing the player has done before should matter because it didn't involve the NCAA. The former pro issue to me is a much muddier situation than the junior/community college player.

[311neers]

Get ready to learn LinkedIn buddy.

[AppStFan1]

His situation is unique but he has been in some form of college for 6 years. If the NCAA changes their 5 years to play 4 to just a blanket 5 years to play, will he try for additional eligibility again next year? At some point, the NCAA has to stop letting lawyers and judges dictate their rules.

I think so because he is likely to end up in a secondary league or just make a practice squad. I think he is hurting himself for the NFL more though because he played his way into being a PFA and then could have had a shot. As a borderline player the older he is the less value he brings to the NFL. He better be a 1st-team All-SEC QB next year and have almost a Mendoza like year if he wants to overcome the age thing and get drafted. NFL teams want young QB they can build around for a long time or someone who has traits to be a quality backup for a while. The older he gets the better he has to play in order to overcome it. NFL teams don't want 25-year old rookie QBs.

I wonder if the NCAA could rule that any player on more than a 1 year waiver (meaning you can get 1 waiver for an extra year but no more, any player who has played in a pro league, and any player over 24 years old at the start of the season means that school is not eligible for postseason play and the CFP rules they will not take a school with players who break those standards. Schools would just not sign them.

[AppStFan1]

I actually think that Joey's legal argument makes complete sense and that he should prevail. The NCAA has absolutely ZERO authority over junior colleges so why should they be able to dictate that playing in a junior college takes away eligibility? I really see it not much different than a prep school. Basketball players for years would spend a year at a prep school, after completing high school, and that year would never count against college eligibility. Why should it be different with junior colleges? I don't think the NCAA has the legal right to deny a player the full compliment of eligibility because he choose, or had to for various reasons, to go to junior college first. I would also feel the same about any level of college that the NCAA does not have control over, looking at you NAIA schools. To me it is no different then if a player worked for couple of years after high school before entering college, that player would still get the full eligibility; so why shouldn't the guy that choose to go to a junior/community college get the same? The NCAA wants to say that college is college but they surely can't expect to be able to dictate rules for every college that doesn't belong to the NCAA. They should not be able to count jr/community college playing years as NCAA years. Go Joey!

I do think you are right about the NAIA in that they might try to argue it. The intent was 5 years to play 4 years of college football. Last I check JUCO and NAIA are still college football. For the purpose of the incoming classes we need these guys to graduate and move on or else it backs up and hurts younger players. I am just tired of seeing players in college for 6-8 years now. That is way too much.

With COVID years, players like Joey and Pavia, former pros, and these guys who are claiming medical redshirts for minor things that should not count for hurting future classes something has to be done. HS kids are getting less chances and younger players are not getting on the field as much so it is causing many to transfer. Players are still playing college football at these other levels and having a bunch of 24-26 year olds playing with 18-20 year olds is just not right.

I think Joey is only wanting this because he did not like what he was being told about his NFL stock. If he thought he would go in the top 3-4 rounds I believe he would not even have tried this. These appeals need to happen before the season as well for logistics on schools filling out the roster.

If Joey comes back then Staub, the Colorado transfer they signed, is screwed over. Merklinger left out of fear Joey would return and he might have wanted to stay if they knew Joey was leaving for sure. How do we expect schools to manage roster numbers with stuff like this happened after December? Some people think it is so great for Joey to get a bag but a lot of dominoes fall that force other players to change plans. Merklinger went to Tennessee thinking he would start in 2025 or at least 2026 and instead he leaves for another school because he sees Joey's decision is screwing over that plan.

[t4pizza]

I actually think that Joey's legal argument makes complete sense and that he should prevail. The NCAA has absolutely ZERO authority over junior colleges so why should they be able to dictate that playing in a junior college takes away eligibility? I really see it not much different than a prep school. Basketball players for years would spend a year at a prep school, after completing high school, and that year would never count against college eligibility. Why should it be different with junior colleges? I don't think the NCAA has the legal right to deny a player the full compliment of eligibility because he choose, or had to for various reasons, to go to junior college first. I would also feel the same about any level of college that the NCAA does not have control over, looking at you NAIA schools. To me it is no different then if a player worked for couple of years after high school before entering college, that player would still get the full eligibility; so why shouldn't the guy that choose to go to a junior/community college get the same? The NCAA wants to say that college is college but they surely can't expect to be able to dictate rules for every college that doesn't belong to the NCAA. They should not be able to count jr/community college playing years as NCAA years. Go Joey!

I do think you are right about the NAIA in that they might try to argue it. The intent was 5 years to play 4 years of college football. Last I check JUCO and NAIA are still college football. For the purpose of the incoming classes we need these guys to graduate and move on or else it backs up and hurts younger players. I am just tired of seeing players in college for 6-8 years now. That is way too much.

With COVID years, players like Joey and Pavia, former pros, and these guys who are claiming medical redshirts for minor things that should not count for hurting future classes something has to be done. HS kids are getting less chances and younger players are not getting on the field as much so it is causing many to transfer. Players are still playing college football at these other levels and having a bunch of 24-26 year olds playing with 18-20 year olds is just not right.

I think Joey is only wanting this because he did not like what he was being told about his NFL stock. If he thought he would go in the top 3-4 rounds I believe he would not even have tried this. These appeals need to happen before the season as well for logistics on schools filling out the roster.

If Joey comes back then Staub, the Colorado transfer they signed, is screwed over. Merklinger left out of fear Joey would return and he might have wanted to stay if they knew Joey was leaving for sure. How do we expect schools to manage roster numbers with stuff like this happened after December? Some people think it is so great for Joey to get a bag but a lot of dominoes fall that force other players to change plans. Merklinger went to Tennessee thinking he would start in 2025 or at least 2026 and instead he leaves for another school because he sees Joey's decision is screwing over that plan.

It is clearly a mess and a lot of unknowns and the high school recruits are certainly getting the short end of the stick. But, I just don't see how the NCAA has any authority to legislate that somebody playing in a different league that has no connection to their (NCAA) jurisdiction can claim those years of playing as NCAA eligibility years. Just doesn't make sense. Until all these issues are hashed out in the courts and we get some actual appellate courts issuing rulings (so far since Alford it has just been trial court rulings which carry no precedential weight) nobody will really know what is going to happen on a case by case basis. Of course, Congress could help everyone out and give the NCAA an antitrust exemption and all these issues go away. Can't sue for depriving of opportunity when there is an antitrust exemption. I feel for all the players downwind of Joey that may be getting the shaft, but I don't see how the NCAA has a shot in this one.

[ASUTodd]

What Joey is trying is perfect for him. Tyler Shough stayed in college and come out at 26 and is doing great now in the NFL (playing for my Saints). I think another year in the SEC could possibly help him grow into a QB that could make an NFL team. If nothing else, he can make some good money and help himself out.

[AppDawg]

Would be his 8th year as a college “student”…

[BambooRdApp]

What Joey is trying is perfect for him. Tyler Shough stayed in college and come out at 26 and is doing great now in the NFL (playing for my Saints). I think another year in the SEC could possibly help him grow into a QB that could make an NFL team. If nothing else, he can make some good money and help himself out.

Best position on the team is backup QB.
Some players make a career out of it

[AppStFan1]

I actually think that Joey's legal argument makes complete sense and that he should prevail. The NCAA has absolutely ZERO authority over junior colleges so why should they be able to dictate that playing in a junior college takes away eligibility? I really see it not much different than a prep school. Basketball players for years would spend a year at a prep school, after completing high school, and that year would never count against college eligibility. Why should it be different with junior colleges? I don't think the NCAA has the legal right to deny a player the full compliment of eligibility because he choose, or had to for various reasons, to go to junior college first. I would also feel the same about any level of college that the NCAA does not have control over, looking at you NAIA schools. To me it is no different then if a player worked for couple of years after high school before entering college, that player would still get the full eligibility; so why shouldn't the guy that choose to go to a junior/community college get the same? The NCAA wants to say that college is college but they surely can't expect to be able to dictate rules for every college that doesn't belong to the NCAA. They should not be able to count jr/community college playing years as NCAA years. Go Joey!

I do think you are right about the NAIA in that they might try to argue it. The intent was 5 years to play 4 years of college football. Last I check JUCO and NAIA are still college football. For the purpose of the incoming classes we need these guys to graduate and move on or else it backs up and hurts younger players. I am just tired of seeing players in college for 6-8 years now. That is way too much.

With COVID years, players like Joey and Pavia, former pros, and these guys who are claiming medical redshirts for minor things that should not count for hurting future classes something has to be done. HS kids are getting less chances and younger players are not getting on the field as much so it is causing many to transfer. Players are still playing college football at these other levels and having a bunch of 24-26 year olds playing with 18-20 year olds is just not right.

I think Joey is only wanting this because he did not like what he was being told about his NFL stock. If he thought he would go in the top 3-4 rounds I believe he would not even have tried this. These appeals need to happen before the season as well for logistics on schools filling out the roster.

If Joey comes back then Staub, the Colorado transfer they signed, is screwed over. Merklinger left out of fear Joey would return and he might have wanted to stay if they knew Joey was leaving for sure. How do we expect schools to manage roster numbers with stuff like this happened after December? Some people think it is so great for Joey to get a bag but a lot of dominoes fall that force other players to change plans. Merklinger went to Tennessee thinking he would start in 2025 or at least 2026 and instead he leaves for another school because he sees Joey's decision is screwing over that plan.

It is clearly a mess and a lot of unknowns and the high school recruits are certainly getting the short end of the stick. But, I just don't see how the NCAA has any authority to legislate that somebody playing in a different league that has no connection to their (NCAA) jurisdiction can claim those years of playing as NCAA eligibility years. Just doesn't make sense. Until all these issues are hashed out in the courts and we get some actual appellate courts issuing rulings (so far since Alford it has just been trial court rulings which carry no precedential weight) nobody will really know what is going to happen on a case by case basis. Of course, Congress could help everyone out and give the NCAA an antitrust exemption and all these issues go away. Can't sue for depriving of opportunity when there is an antitrust exemption. I feel for all the players downwind of Joey that may be getting the shaft, but I don't see how the NCAA has a shot in this one.

I have seen the idea floated around and wonder if just ruling that you can't participate in postseason play if you have a player who has played pro ball or has played more than 4 years of college football. So they won't ban the athlete from playing but schools just won't offer them because they know it would make the school ineligible under rules.

They will have to eventually go to antitrust but agents are discouraging it behind the scenes because they are running the show now and they see how it has worked in the NFL because they are treated really poorly by the NFLPA in their minds. They fear that the same stuff would happen in college. There are agents claiming they make more on NIL in 1 year than many of them made on pro players in 2-3 years combined. It is crazy right now.