UNCC sees recruiting boost

[NWA49]

I agree with you about App State declining to play UNCC until they agree to play us at KBS. And, I can't stand Cornbread...dude is so pompous.

I suspect that we will play App when you guys move up to FBS. We aren't going to visit an FCS school and you guys aren't going to play in our stadium, at least not until it's expanded. As for BOA the rent there pretty much crushes any dreams of us playing each other there. ACC teams have had trouble making that worth the money.

For the record most of our fanbase hates Cornbread too.

[JCline0429]

I wouldn't mind playing UNCC at BOA. We would outnumber their fans 3-1 in their own city and put the whoopin on their team they've been begging for. Given the arrogant approach of Judy Rose at every turn, I would not be surprised if Cobb told Satterfield to drop 80 on them.

We would be giving all the dough to Jerry Richardson.

[RankinApp]

This site is way better than Appfan.

Look, something we agree on.

[NWA49]

I think if UNC-C had come to the SoCon with a desire to be a full member, I would've been much more behind the idea (that and 50 cents could get you a cup of coffee, mind you, but I'm sure it would've been better accepted by those that matter). Now, it would be suicide to leave the A-10 for the SoCon in most sports, so it wasn't in your best interest to do so -- just as it wasn't in the SoCon's best interest to let in a football-only member.

Agreed - plus everyone knew the minute we got a FBS invite we were gone.

I also think some of what App folks think is arrogance is the fact that a HUGE part of the reason we are starting football was to get our basketball back where our alumni and fanbase want to be. We knew we would have to take a step back, conference wise, in basketball to get there though. How far down we were willing to step is being tested right now with CUSA. There is a portion of our fanbase that is not happy at all. If we had moved all things to the Southern it might have been good or great for football, but crushed our giving for basketball.

In the end it worked out for us - but honestly I was worried for a little bit and still am. I said a few years ago we could land anywhere from the southern to the big east. Right now we are smack in the middle, but who knows what the future holds with all this realignment stuff.

[Gonzo]

This site is way better than Appfan.

Look, something we agree on.

Appfan has almost as many **** heads as that 49er board you posted. Of course there's probably a handful that frequent both.

[AppinVA]

I think if UNC-C had come to the SoCon with a desire to be a full member, I would've been much more behind the idea (that and 50 cents could get you a cup of coffee, mind you, but I'm sure it would've been better accepted by those that matter). Now, it would be suicide to leave the A-10 for the SoCon in most sports, so it wasn't in your best interest to do so -- just as it wasn't in the SoCon's best interest to let in a football-only member.

Agreed - plus everyone knew the minute we got a FBS invite we were gone.

I also think some of what App folks think is arrogance is the fact that a HUGE part of the reason we are starting football was to get our basketball back where our alumni and fanbase want to be. We knew we would have to take a step back, conference wise, in basketball to get there though. How far down we were willing to step is being tested right now with CUSA. There is a portion of our fanbase that is not happy at all. If we had moved all things to the Southern it might have been good or great for football, but crushed our giving for basketball.

In the end it worked out for us - but honestly I was worried for a little bit and still am. I said a few years ago we could land anywhere from the southern to the big east. Right now we are smack in the middle, but who knows what the future holds with all this realignment stuff.

Yeah, we don't have to worry about basketball. It's something we do to pass the time until Spring Practice.

[Rekdiver]

Judy fought hard for many years to keep football out of Charlotte. She was afraid she would lose her job.

Now, the real, issue is what could have been. A new regional conference with Charlotte at the epicenter. JMU, ASU, GaSt, Delaware, Middle Tennessee, East Carolina, FIU, ODU, Georgia Southern. Would have commanded a good TV contract and great rivalries and taken share away from the ACC , But you need some vision and some balls, leadership of which Ive seen from Judy, Charlie or the respective Chancellors. I and envious of Charlottes position and wish them well .....but hope success doesnt come too quick

[NWA49]

Judy fought hard for many years to keep football out of Charlotte. She was afraid she would lose her job.

Now, the real, issue is what could have been. A new regional conference with Charlotte at the epicenter. JMU, ASU, GaSt, Delaware, Middle Tennessee, East Carolina, FIU, ODU, Georgia Southern. Would have commanded a good TV contract and great rivalries and taken share away from the ACC , But you need some vision and some balls, leadership of which Ive seen from Judy, Charlie or the respective Chancellors. I and envious of Charlottes position and wish them well .....but hope success doesnt come too quick

Yeah if Judy had ANY vision we would be playing in the Big East right now or at min already have been playing for 15 years and still in CUSA. All we have done is correct a HUGE mistake in the mid 90s not starting football. It is all on her and our Chancellor at the time, Jim Woodward. The two of them have cost us dearly. Some people lay blame on one more than the other - for me I blame the both equally.

As for that league - it would be a non starter with our fanbase for basketball. The only even close to relevant program in that group is ODU. I like where you are going with that though - just would take a higher caliber of basketball to get us on board. As it is reuniting with UAB and USM along with ODU, some of whom have had success in basketball recently, is difficult for us. I mean that group above, we would walk in as one of the top 2 programs easy, which is saying something since we have sucked for the better part of 7 years now. Like I said part of the reason we are adding this football thing is to get back to METRO, CUSA 1.0, A10 level of play with ranked teams and multiple NCAA bids. It's weird for us to demand a quality basketball league when we have sucked outloud for awhile now in the sport, but the expectation (from the AD and the fanbase) is we can and will return to form.

[NWA49]

.....good luck with that.

Photo of the UNCC student section from this season, a very very good season:

Just thought I would help you out - 2 different games:





Yup you are right no one ever comes to our games.

[ASUMountaineer]

Lastly, I noticed your registered for this site today. Did you do this to fight the good fight against Gonzo? Gonzo can be rough around the edges, and he does hate UNCC. But, you'll notice most of us are less zealous in our posting.

Zeal is a great character trait in a sports fan.

I refuse to apologize for being mean to UNCC fans. Arrogance earns hate: ie UNC-CH and these ****ers earned it.

Now as you all know, I will gleefully talk sports and not get under anyone's skin so long as interlopers are respectful. I've been around.

Zeal is a great character trait in a sports fan for his/her team. It's not so great when you're zealous about posting, which is what I said. Your posts don't bother me, but they sure do seem to rile up UNCC fans. For the most part, that is my favorite part about your posting style.

[ASUMountaineer]

I agree with you about App State declining to play UNCC until they agree to play us at KBS. And, I can't stand Cornbread...dude is so pompous.

I suspect that we will play App when you guys move up to FBS. We aren't going to visit an FCS school and you guys aren't going to play in our stadium, at least not until it's expanded. As for BOA the rent there pretty much crushes any dreams of us playing each other there. ACC teams have had trouble making that worth the money.

For the record most of our fanbase hates Cornbread too.

Well, UNCC will be visiting FCS schools over the next two years. And, UNCC will be an FCS school initially. So, it's probably a good idea for UNCC fans to cool down the "JV league" talk, at least until UNCC is actually an FBS team.

With that said, neither UNCC or App State gain anything from playing each other at this point. And, if App State is relegated to FCS for a few more years, then there still will be nothing to gain for UNCC. I agree with you that UNCC will not come to KBS unless App State is FBS, but I would suspect that UNCC and App State will not play each other at all (at least for the near future) unless App State is FBS.

As to Cornbread...that's a redeeming quality!

[JCline0429]

I agree with you about App State declining to play UNCC until they agree to play us at KBS. And, I can't stand Cornbread...dude is so pompous.

I suspect that we will play App when you guys move up to FBS. We aren't going to visit an FCS school and you guys aren't going to play in our stadium, at least not until it's expanded. As for BOA the rent there pretty much crushes any dreams of us playing each other there. ACC teams have had trouble making that worth the money.

For the record most of our fanbase hates Cornbread too.

Well, UNCC will be visiting FCS schools over the next two years. And, UNCC will be an FCS school initially. So, it's probably a good idea for UNCC fans to cool down the "JV league" talk, at least until UNCC is actually an FBS team.

With that said, neither UNCC or App State gain anything from playing each other at this point. And, if App State is relegated to FCS for a few more years, then there still will be nothing to gain for UNCC. I agree with you that UNCC will not come to KBS unless App State is FBS, but I would suspect that UNCC and App State will not play each other at all (at least for the near future) unless App State is FBS.

As to Cornbread...that's a redeeming quality!

I disagree about "nothing to gain." If UNC-C were to win a few, it would help their recruiting. If ASU won, it might hurt C's recruiting, especially in the general NC area. Pro's and Cons for both teams.
Additionally pertaining to UNC-C, they would be exposed as to their weaknesses by losing by wide margins vs App. What I'm saying is that if C was getting a lot of pub in the Charlotte Disturber, losses to us would expose their lack of a quality program.

[JCline0429]

I agree with you about App State declining to play UNCC until they agree to play us at KBS. And, I can't stand Cornbread...dude is so pompous.

I suspect that we will play App when you guys move up to FBS. We aren't going to visit an FCS school and you guys aren't going to play in our stadium, at least not until it's expanded. As for BOA the rent there pretty much crushes any dreams of us playing each other there. ACC teams have had trouble making that worth the money.

For the record most of our fanbase hates Cornbread too.

Someone hacked that post about Cornbread because I've always admired him as a player. I didn't appreciate some of his comments on 610 a few years back, however.

[JCline0429]

I agree with you about App State declining to play UNCC until they agree to play us at KBS. And, I can't stand Cornbread...dude is so pompous.

I suspect that we will play App when you guys move up to FBS. We aren't going to visit an FCS school and you guys aren't going to play in our stadium, at least not until it's expanded. As for BOA the rent there pretty much crushes any dreams of us playing each other there. ACC teams have had trouble making that worth the money.

For the record most of our fanbase hates Cornbread too.

In one of my earlier posts, I alluded to the cost of Panther Stadium. J Richardson would be the only one making real money.

[Gonzo]

Excerpts from the most clueless fanbase in NC:

"They felt entitled to a CUSA invite. They simply have never dealt with the reality of us getting in over them. Not sure that reality will ever sink in for them. This academics argument is another attempt at justifying the "crime" that has been committed against them. Like all folks that feel a sense of entitlement, when they don't get what they think is owed them, then they immediately jump into the victim category."

"App is in our rear view mirror now. It is time to move forward."

This one is especially good "Also, please correct these idiots on the "lowering our academic standards" BS. We have not lowered anything, in fact the acceptance rates are going down and average GPAs and SATs are on the rise. We are above all UNC system schools in most rankings of these factors in the UNC-System with the exception of UNC-CH, NCSU, UNCW and ASU (and ASU isn't that far ahead). So, we are as tough or tougher than all others, including ECU."

"Its OK folks, their recruits are just as good as ours, and they have significantly better academics."

[Rekdiver]

Judy fought hard for many years to keep football out of Charlotte. She was afraid she would lose her job.

Now, the real, issue is what could have been. A new regional conference with Charlotte at the epicenter. JMU, ASU, GaSt, Delaware, Middle Tennessee, East Carolina, FIU, ODU, Georgia Southern. Would have commanded a good TV contract and great rivalries and taken share away from the ACC , But you need some vision and some balls, leadership of which Ive seen from Judy, Charlie or the respective Chancellors. I and envious of Charlottes position and wish them well .....but hope success doesnt come too quick

Yeah if Judy had ANY vision we would be playing in the Big East right now or at min already have been playing for 15 years and still in CUSA. All we have done is correct a HUGE mistake in the mid 90s not starting football. It is all on her and our Chancellor at the time, Jim Woodward. The two of them have cost us dearly. Some people lay blame on one more than the other - for me I blame the both equally.

As for that league - it would be a non starter with our fanbase for basketball. The only even close to relevant program in that group is ODU. I like where you are going with that though - just would take a higher caliber of basketball to get us on board. As it is reuniting with UAB and USM along with ODU, some of whom have had success in basketball recently, is difficult for us. I mean that group above, we would walk in as one of the top 2 programs easy, which is saying something since we have sucked for the better part of 7 years now. Like I said part of the reason we are adding this football thing is to get back to METRO, CUSA 1.0, A10 level of play with ranked teams and multiple NCAA bids. It's weird for us to demand a quality basketball league when we have sucked outloud for awhile now in the sport, but the expectation (from the AD and the fanbase) is we can and will return to form.

So you would rather be in the bottom tier of CUSA rather than get the auto bid from a new conference in hoops? I don't think you have the coach yet that will return Charlotte to the best days of Bobby Lutz.

[NWA49]

So you would rather be in the bottom tier of CUSA rather than get the auto bid from a new conference in hoops? I don't think you have the coach yet that will return Charlotte to the best days of Bobby Lutz.

Well multi bid leagues is about generating money for the entire conference so it isn't just about us, but in short I think our fans and AD would rather be in a more difficult league basketball wise and fight to get to the top than in a cakewalk league even if it's expected that we win it every year. Not much margin for error in those leagues. In addition I am pretty confident that we will finish in the top half, if not the top 3 of CUSA next year. The step down from the A10 to CUSA is fairly drastic. With that said the step down from CUSA 1.0 to the A10 did not go as smoothly as we expected - there are a lot of thoughts as to why.

As for our coach - I am not sold on him yet either, but his recruiting has been better than anything Bobby did during his A10 years.

[JCline0429]

Judy fought hard for many years to keep football out of Charlotte. She was afraid she would lose her job.

Now, the real, issue is what could have been. A new regional conference with Charlotte at the epicenter. JMU, ASU, GaSt, Delaware, Middle Tennessee, East Carolina, FIU, ODU, Georgia Southern. Would have commanded a good TV contract and great rivalries and taken share away from the ACC , But you need some vision and some balls, leadership of which Ive seen from Judy, Charlie or the respective Chancellors. I and envious of Charlottes position and wish them well .....but hope success doesnt come too quick

Yeah if Judy had ANY vision we would be playing in the Big East right now or at min already have been playing for 15 years and still in CUSA. All we have done is correct a HUGE mistake in the mid 90s not starting football. It is all on her and our Chancellor at the time, Jim Woodward. The two of them have cost us dearly. Some people lay blame on one more than the other - for me I blame the both equally.

As for that league - it would be a non starter with our fanbase for basketball. The only even close to relevant program in that group is ODU. I like where you are going with that though - just would take a higher caliber of basketball to get us on board. As it is reuniting with UAB and USM along with ODU, some of whom have had success in basketball recently, is difficult for us. I mean that group above, we would walk in as one of the top 2 programs easy, which is saying something since we have sucked for the better part of 7 years now. Like I said part of the reason we are adding this football thing is to get back to METRO, CUSA 1.0, A10 level of play with ranked teams and multiple NCAA bids. It's weird for us to demand a quality basketball league when we have sucked outloud for awhile now in the sport, but the expectation (from the AD and the fanbase) is we can and will return to form.

So you would rather be in the bottom tier of CUSA rather than get the auto bid from a new conference in hoops? I don't think you have the coach yet that will return Charlotte to the best days of Bobby Lutz.

Or Bill Foster for that matter.

[ASUMountaineer]

I agree with you about App State declining to play UNCC until they agree to play us at KBS. And, I can't stand Cornbread...dude is so pompous.

I suspect that we will play App when you guys move up to FBS. We aren't going to visit an FCS school and you guys aren't going to play in our stadium, at least not until it's expanded. As for BOA the rent there pretty much crushes any dreams of us playing each other there. ACC teams have had trouble making that worth the money.

For the record most of our fanbase hates Cornbread too.

Well, UNCC will be visiting FCS schools over the next two years. And, UNCC will be an FCS school initially. So, it's probably a good idea for UNCC fans to cool down the "JV league" talk, at least until UNCC is actually an FBS team.

With that said, neither UNCC or App State gain anything from playing each other at this point. And, if App State is relegated to FCS for a few more years, then there still will be nothing to gain for UNCC. I agree with you that UNCC will not come to KBS unless App State is FBS, but I would suspect that UNCC and App State will not play each other at all (at least for the near future) unless App State is FBS.

As to Cornbread...that's a redeeming quality!

I disagree about "nothing to gain." If UNC-C were to win a few, it would help their recruiting. If ASU won, it might hurt C's recruiting, especially in the general NC area. Pro's and Cons for both teams.
Additionally pertaining to UNC-C, they would be exposed as to their weaknesses by losing by wide margins vs App. What I'm saying is that if C was getting a lot of pub in the Charlotte Disturber, losses to us would expose their lack of a quality program.

I see a lot of "ifs" in there. I'm look at bonafide benefits...and I don't really see any.

[ASUMountaineer]

I agree with you about App State declining to play UNCC until they agree to play us at KBS. And, I can't stand Cornbread...dude is so pompous.

I suspect that we will play App when you guys move up to FBS. We aren't going to visit an FCS school and you guys aren't going to play in our stadium, at least not until it's expanded. As for BOA the rent there pretty much crushes any dreams of us playing each other there. ACC teams have had trouble making that worth the money.

For the record most of our fanbase hates Cornbread too.

Someone hacked that post about Cornbread because I've always admired him as a player. I didn't appreciate some of his comments on 610 a few years back, however.

It wasn't hacked, just one of the [/quotes] got removed so it looked like you said it. Don't be so paranoid.