UNCC sees recruiting boost

[GlassOnion]

An average of 3.5 weighted GPA for UNCC? Good grief, I could almost have gotten into UNCC twice!

[NWA49]

Since the HCC doesn't hold 10,000 and your stadium doesn't hold 30,000, we may both be waiting a good while for those events.

Yes that was my point.

[NWA49]

He posted those numbers as if UNCC draws 10,000 to bball games.

We have had over 10,000 to watch some of our home basketball games. Have you?

[WataugaMan]

We have had over 30,000 to watch some of our home football games.

[JCline0429]

Ok I finally had to break down and formally respond to the endless stream of fallacies present in that thread over on the UNCcee board. I REFUSE to sink to their level and actually register for the site and I'm sure every one of them is eagerly refreshing the page on our board, so I will do so here:

49erfootballnow (the biggest and most obsessive of their internet troll crew who was actually deemed a MOD over on CSNBBS!)
"I hate to keep bringing this thread back up but academics smack from App St is just the most mind boggling thing I've ever seen in my life. I'd like to see some real, program vs program, numbers because their 61% acceptance rate and 20 point advantage on SATs just feels like crap to me when compared to what our graduates make compared to them"

http://moodle.fcschools.net/pluginfile. ... _Score.pdf

Little more than 20 points there, buddy. As far as undergraduate institutions go, Appalachian is more prestigious. Admission percentage, SAT, ACT, GPA what ever angle you look you will find yourselves inferior. Shut the f**k up already.

One caveat, they have an engineering program, we do not, unless you count whatever we have partnered with WCU in Hickory. So far, we pretty much have no professional school unless you count our new nursing program, especially since most lay people don't count education as a professional school. UNC-Harrisburg will likely have a law school and medical school before we ever do...if we ever. Predictions of doom and gloom for Cee, is a bit overblown. I value my education from App and wouldn't trade it for one any place else, but I don't diss Cee. I, however, can't help but diss EZU from time to time.

[Appftw]

Congrats you have been playing football a little longer than we have.

You probably didn't even mean that as the insult that it is, because you most likely don't know that we have an 83 year head start on you in football.

Of course we aren't going to drop 100 mill before we had a conference or fans or anything else.

At least you're being honest with yourself about not having any "fans or anything else".

[NWA49]

Congrats you have been playing football a little longer than we have.

You probably didn't even mean that as the insult that it is, because you most likely don't know that we have an 83 year head start on you in football.

Of course we aren't going to drop 100 mill before we had a conference or fans or anything else.

At least you're being honest with yourself about not having any "fans or anything else".

Yes I am aware of the fact App has been playing football a long time. I was simply saying it in the most sarcastic way possible. Trust me App fans love to throw around how long they have been playing.

I have not come here to troll or talk smack, only to counter some of the insane things that are being said about Charlotte here. I purposely have avoided in the smack talk that some of the posters here thrive on. I know that football at Charlotte is new. How it goes over with our fans is unknown. Could it fall on it's face? Sure it could. Do I think it will? Nope. With that said it would not be responsible for out AD to drop 100 to 150 million on a stadium until we had more info about conference alignment, how our attendance goes, sponsorship, giving and a host of other issues. We are starting football from scratch which means we are starting with nothing. We are going through something that you App folks never had the joy of watching. The birth of a program. It's exciting, but filled with the unknown. As I stated above though I fully expect to knock it out of the park and our football center expansion that is in the 2016 budget to be held to and expansion started.

[firemoose]

I have not come here to troll or talk smack, only to counter some of the insane things that are being said about Charlotte here. I purposely have avoided in the smack talk that some of the posters here thrive on. I know that football at Charlotte is new. How it goes over with our fans is unknown. Could it fall on it's face? Sure it could. Do I think it will? Nope. With that said it would not be responsible for out AD to drop 100 to 150 million on a stadium until we had more info about conference alignment, how our attendance goes, sponsorship, giving and a host of other issues. We are starting football from scratch which means we are starting with nothing. We are going through something that you App folks never had the joy of watching. The birth of a program. It's exciting, but filled with the unknown. As I stated above though I fully expect to knock it out of the park and our football center expansion that is in the 2016 budget to be held to and expansion started.

NWA49- I just typed a 6 paragraph reply to you that I lost when the page froze. I'm not going to retype it all again. I'll keep it shorter this time. I've avoided this thread because I don't like to get in the mud much and I think UNCC would make a fine rival for us but Judy appears not to care, or she hates us, which is pretty much the same. While you've been civil, for the most part, you've taken your shots, including several subtle digs about us not caring for any sport but football. Just didn't want you to think they've gone unnoticed. We've also put millions into facilities for basketball, soccer, softball, baseball, and even golf, with an indoor preformance lab, which is about the best you can do here. And we're in the planning stages for a new track complex also. Throw out men's basketball and we support our other programs pretty much at the level of most universities and considering we win the all around sports award for the SoCon nearly every year I think the other programs are doing fine.

I had to respond because of your top quote about the things said about Charlotte. Have you visited a Panthers board lately? I get abused enough on them that I don't even need to visit a 49ers board. One poster even said that all App grads and everyone in Boone should die and 29 people gave him rep points for the post. That's just one of dozens I could point to. Both sides are not without fault and I know there are App fans that pile on also but I've never heard anyone say anything like that. I happen to be an orginal PSL owner and season ticket holder and have had things thrown at me if I happened to have something that said App on it even while wearing Panthers gear. Please don't tell me about people here thriving on smack talk. The level of vitirol that is spewed in Charlotte about App State and Boone is unbelievable. You would think we were Atlanta. I'm in Charlotte often and I can't even go to the city wearing anything App related without several nasty comments being said to me. It tends to get old quickly.

All that being said I do appreciate you trying to keep it civil. Your posts are leaps and bounds ahead of most I deal with on other boards. Let's just try and keep it in the relm of reality, if you don't mind.

[ImfromClayton]

I have not come here to troll or talk smack, only to counter some of the insane things that are being said about Charlotte here. I purposely have avoided in the smack talk that some of the posters here thrive on. I know that football at Charlotte is new. How it goes over with our fans is unknown. Could it fall on it's face? Sure it could. Do I think it will? Nope. With that said it would not be responsible for out AD to drop 100 to 150 million on a stadium until we had more info about conference alignment, how our attendance goes, sponsorship, giving and a host of other issues. We are starting football from scratch which means we are starting with nothing. We are going through something that you App folks never had the joy of watching. The birth of a program. It's exciting, but filled with the unknown. As I stated above though I fully expect to knock it out of the park and our football center expansion that is in the 2016 budget to be held to and expansion started.

NWA49- I just typed a 6 paragraph reply to you that I lost when the page froze. I'm not going to retype it all again. I'll keep it shorter this time. I've avoided this thread because I don't like to get in the mud much and I think UNCC would make a fine rival for us but Judy appears not to care, or she hates us, which is pretty much the same. While you've been civil, for the most part, you've taken your shots, including several subtle digs about us not caring for any sport but football. Just didn't want you to think they've gone unnoticed. We've also put millions into facilities for basketball, soccer, softball, baseball, and even golf, with an indoor preformance lab, which is about the best you can do here. And we're in the planning stages for a new track complex also. Throw out men's basketball and we support our other programs pretty much at the level of most universities and considering we win the all around sports award for the SoCon nearly every year I think the other programs are doing fine.

I had to respond because of your top quote about the things said about Charlotte. Have you visited a Panthers board lately? I get abused enough on them that I don't even need to visit a 49ers board. One poster even said that all App grads and everyone in Boone should die and 29 people gave him rep points for the post. That's just one of dozens I could point to. Both sides are not without fault and I know there are App fans that pile on also but I've never heard anyone say anything like that. I happen to be an orginal PSL owner and season ticket holder and have had things thrown at me if I happened to have something that said App on it even while wearing Panthers gear. Please don't tell me about people here thriving on smack talk. The level of vitirol that is spewed in Charlotte about App State and Boone is unbelievable. You would think we were Atlanta. I'm in Charlotte often and I can't even go to the city wearing anything App related without several nasty comments being said to me. It tends to get old quickly.

All that being said I do appreciate you trying to keep it civil. Your posts are leaps and bounds ahead of most I deal with on other boards. Let's just try and keep it in the relm of reality, if you don't mind.

So the gist of your post is "Panther fans are mean, UNC Charlotte is in the same city, 49er fans must be jerks too." Panther fans hate App State for one reason, and I am smart enough not to argue that reason in a place like this.

[firemoose]

So the gist of your post is "Panther fans are mean, UNC Charlotte is in the same city, 49er fans must be jerks too." Panther fans hate App State for one reason, and I am smart enough not to argue that reason in a place like this.

No it isn't. And Panthers fans hating on App has been going on long before Armanti Edwards showed up. You'll notice I said I'm an original PSL holder. AE was a child when the Panthers came to town. The "gist" of the post was correcting NWA49 stating that there were "insane" things being said about Charlotte on here (some may be but some are true) and to let him know that we can read the subtle digs about App from him. Not many people in Boone will go out of their way to make comments to someone wearing UNCC gear. Unfortunately the same can't be said of some in Charlotte concerning App gear. If you want to test that I'll be glad to send you an App State shirt and hat. Wear them around Charlotte for a few days. You might be surprised.

[MountainMan]

I've never been to a Panthers game, so I can't comment on how Panther fans respond to ASU folks or things, but I have worn App shirts and/or caps around Charlotte numerous times and I've never had people say or do anything offensive at all. In fact, I've had a couple of times when people would stop and say something positive about ASU in general or about ASU football. Not disputing the experience of Firemoose at all, just saying that my experience has been different.

[firemoose]

I've never been to a Panthers game, so I can't comment on how Panther fans respond to ASU folks or things, but I have worn App shirts and/or caps around Charlotte numerous times and I've never had people say or do anything offensive at all. In fact, I've had a couple of times when people would stop and say something positive about ASU in general or about ASU football. Not disputing the experience of Firemoose at all, just saying that my experience has been different.

Panthers games are pretty bad. Wearing anything black and gold, no matter how small, is like a target, especially these last few years (2 to 3 before AE), but I won't mention them again.

I average being in the Charlotte area three to four times a week (more in summer, less in winter). It really all depends on where I'm at. Places like the airport and auto dealers are generally positive. Body shops, around the shopping areas, on and around the light rail or buses, and similar places are where I get the most looks and comments. Plus around Harrisburg, but that's to be expected. I really don't care as I'm big enough to take care of myself and most comments come behind my back. They just don't realize I have excellent hearing. No big deal. As I said I really couldn't care less. I just ignore it and go on.

[Gonzo]

I'm from an area just outside of the city and you can't drive a mile without seeing several App stickers on cars. I've sported App gear downtown, at BOA, Bobcats arena, the light rail-- the works, and I've never heard a comment that wasn't positive. I don't go to the Concord/Harrisburg area too often anymore though.

Maybe fire moose had a booger.

[JCline0429]

I've never been to a Panthers game, so I can't comment on how Panther fans respond to ASU folks or things, but I have worn App shirts and/or caps around Charlotte numerous times and I've never had people say or do anything offensive at all. In fact, I've had a couple of times when people would stop and say something positive about ASU in general or about ASU football. Not disputing the experience of Firemoose at all, just saying that my experience has been different.

Panthers games are pretty bad. Wearing anything black and gold, no matter how small, is like a target, especially these last few years (2 to 3 before AE), but I won't mention them again.

I average being in the Charlotte area three to four times a week (more in summer, less in winter). It really all depends on where I'm at. Places like the airport and auto dealers are generally positive. Body shops, around the shopping areas, on and around the light rail or buses, and similar places are where I get the most looks and comments. Plus around Harrisburg, but that's to be expected. I really don't care as I'm big enough to take care of myself and most comments come behind my back. They just don't realize I have excellent hearing. No big deal. As I said I really couldn't care less. I just ignore it and go on.

You know, I'd like to see AE have a truly stellar season and see if it would shut up the anti-App and anti-AE crumbs in Charlotte as well as the Charlotte media. They did the same thing when Derrick Graham played the OL back in the day with the old pro team we had in Charlotte at the time.

[firemoose]

I'm from an area just outside of the city and you can't drive a mile without seeing several App stickers on cars. I've sported App gear downtown, at BOA, Bobcats arena, the light rail-- the works, and I've never heard a comment that wasn't positive. I don't go to the Concord/Harrisburg area too often anymore though.

Maybe fire moose had a booger.

Nope, always dig em out before going out in public, just in case.

[firemoose]

And BTW, since this did start out as a recruiting thread of sorts, I am nearly finished with the new, updated 2013 recruiting page with more info and highlights of our recruits. I've finished each LOI's page and will be done with the PWO's (those that have info enough for a seperate page) later today. I also have updated the 2014 page to show the 7 offers we already have out now. I will be completing pages for each of them in the next day or two. Basketball is next then baseball. I'll put notices in each thread once a page is complete. Hope you enjoy.

[Gonzo]

Speaking of the original topic, I came to a realization the other day. The article asserts that UNCC had a stellar recruiting year because of their return to CUSA. Well, since half of their recruiting class didn't have a single FBS offer while all but one ASU recruit did, it is accurate to say that Appalachian's coming move had even more of an impact. Either the CO pulled quite the spin job in that article or the writer really is clueless about football recruiting at the mid-major level.

The relative stregth of our two recruiting classes and the existence of this article begs the question: Who really isn't getting fair press in the Charlotte Observer?

[Rekdiver]

He posted those numbers as if UNCC draws 10,000 to bball games.

We have had over 10,000 to watch some of our home basketball games. Have you?

Yes we have. It only took 9 games to reach that mark.

[Kgfish]

He posted those numbers as if UNCC draws 10,000 to bball games.

We have had over 10,000 to watch some of our home basketball games. Have you?

Yes we have. It only took 9 games to reach that mark.

It actually only took two.. In 2008 8,350 showed up for Davidson and the next home game vs WCU drew 2654.

[NWA49]

While you've been civil, for the most part, you've taken your shots, including several subtle digs about us not caring for any sport but football. Just didn't want you to think they've gone unnoticed. We've also put millions into facilities for basketball, soccer, softball, baseball, and even golf, with an indoor preformance lab, which is about the best you can do here. And we're in the planning stages for a new track complex also. Throw out men's basketball and we support our other programs pretty much at the level of most universities and considering we win the all around sports award for the SoCon nearly every year I think the other programs are doing fine.

I had to respond because of your top quote about the things said about Charlotte. Have you visited a Panthers board lately? I get abused enough on them that I don't even need to visit a 49ers board. One poster even said that all App grads and everyone in Boone should die and 29 people gave him rep points for the post. That's just one of dozens I could point to. Both sides are not without fault and I know there are App fans that pile on also but I've never heard anyone say anything like that. I happen to be an orginal PSL owner and season ticket holder and have had things thrown at me if I happened to have something that said App on it even while wearing Panthers gear. Please don't tell me about people here thriving on smack talk. The level of vitirol that is spewed in Charlotte about App State and Boone is unbelievable. You would think we were Atlanta. I'm in Charlotte often and I can't even go to the city wearing anything App related without several nasty comments being said to me. It tends to get old quickly.

All that being said I do appreciate you trying to keep it civil. Your posts are leaps and bounds ahead of most I deal with on other boards. Let's just try and keep it in the relm of reality, if you don't mind.

I have made comments about App's other sports. I know that the folks on these boards are the most passionate fans and that you guys do indeed support all things App. My main point was that some of your posters make the fact that you have 30K show up for your football as a sign that App has support far and away above Charlotte and other schools in the state. My personal interaction with many App alums says that the only thing they care about is football. Almost all of them (football season ticket holders) follow Chapel Hill basketball and have no clue about other sports on your campus. Hell when you guys were in the NCAA tourny for baseball I tried to start up some convo with a few of them and they acted like I was speaking greek. So that is my perception - which I admit is only a cross section of your fanbase, but one that is quite vocal in my life so that is what I have to go on. Even on this board all the talk directed at Charlotte is about football.

As for the insane things - the statements that no one will come to our games, that our recruiting is garbage, that our facility isn't impressive (pretty certain no one here has had a behind the scenes tour), that we are a commuter school are all instances of things that I felt I needed to counter. I didn't even step into the academic talk because I think it is completely pointless.

As for being treated poorly wearing App gear in Charlotte that is pretty surprising. Even in this thread some of your posters are talking about how much Charlotte loves App fans and some of them have even claimed the Charlotte market as theirs (even though it quite clearly belongs to the ACC and Chapel Hill). I am friends with many App folks and have never heard of them being treated poorly. That's just odd since the majority of fans in Charlotte seem to be Chapel Hill fans and most Chapel Hill fans didn't really go there. Just odd. My wife grew up in Boone so I spend plenty of time up there, nice town and nice folks and only a few times have I had shit talked to me while wearing Charlotte gear up there and all of it after our football team was announced. In the early and mid 90s when I was going to some App games (basketball and football) no one ever said anything to me about wearing a Charlotte hat into the game. Now going to a Chapel Hill football game wearing a Charlotte hat in the mid to late 90s was a very different experience - I got yelled at by all kinds of fans and when I asked them where they went they said they had been a Tarheel all their life. My hatred of them really got started there.

In the end I just don't understand all the hate. When App was making their run with FCS titles most Charlotte fans were pulling for you guys. Some where along the way the fanbases really got nasty with each other - I talked about that in one of my earlier posts. In the end I am sure it's just a few fans that are getting under each sides skin. I know that we are a threat to App and other programs in the state - just because at minimum we are another school to recruit against and the quick jump to FBS sure bothered some App folks as you guys have proven yourself - and I get that 100%.

In the end if you guys stay FCS - obviously that is great for us as over time that should be a huge help with recruiting. If you all move up to FBS it opens the potential for either a conference rivalry or an out of conference series - either of which would benefit both schools.