The end of FBS vs. FCS games

[GlassOnion]

I wonder how much longer the FCS will be considered division 1. This obviously pushes the FCS down a half step in perception.

FCSers have been arguing for years that the bottom of FCS isnt much different from that of FBS. That argument is weak because few people recognise it, but now it likely wont even exist, as there will be no examples. CF is changing fundamentally, and I bet FCS as Division 1 is a thing of the past. Seems like new terminology will be coming down the shoot, that will cement the FCS as 3rd class citizens for good.

[GoApps70]

I wonder how much longer the FCS will be considered division 1. This obviously pushes the FCS down a half step in perception.

FCSers have been arguing for years that the bottom of FCS isnt much different from that of FBS. That argument is weak because few people recognise it, but now it likely wont even exist, as there will be no examples. CF is changing fundamentally, and I bet FCS as Division 1 is a thing of the past. Seems like new terminology will be coming down the shoot, that will cement the FCS as 3rd class citizens for good.

Take it you mean "top of FCS".

[appst89]

Heard Barry Alvarez of Wisconsin on XM on the way home. The Big(1?)10 is moving to add two extra conference games. According to him, there is a push for standardization in the number of conference games played by each of the power conferences. Also said that the power conferences are trying to work deals for cross-scheduling of non-conference games. The fallout from this is not only going to affect FCS schools, but also any FBS program that isn't a member of a power comference. If this shakes out the way Alvarez was talking, then the schools from the power conferences will each have one non-conference game that will not be governed by some cross-scheduling arrangement with another power conference. That is going to make it very difficult for many schools in the Go5 group to survive. Of all the things that have happened with realignment, this is potentially the biggest development. If this happens the way it was described, then this can be seen as nothing other than the first step toward the power conferences separating themselves from the rest of college football.

[GoApps70]

The only problem with the Power BCS Conferences just playing themselves would be the fact that as an average only 30 of the 60 or so would then qualify for bowl games or the playoffs. That would then put 30 or more FBS - non-power conference teams in the bowl games. BCS Power conferences would not like only half of their members being eligible.

[GoAppsGo92]

Heard Barry Alvarez of Wisconsin on XM on the way home. The Big(1?)10 is moving to add two extra conference games. According to him, there is a push for standardization in the number of conference games played by each of the power conferences. Also said that the power conferences are trying to work deals for cross-scheduling of non-conference games. The fallout from this is not only going to affect FCS schools, but also any FBS program that isn't a member of a power comference. If this shakes out the way Alvarez was talking, then the schools from the power conferences will each have one non-conference game that will not be governed by some cross-scheduling arrangement with another power conference. That is going to make it very difficult for many schools in the Go5 group to survive. Of all the things that have happened with realignment, this is potentially the biggest development. If this happens the way it was described, then this can be seen as nothing other than the first step toward the power conferences separating themselves from the rest of college football.

While big 5 games with GOF could be limited should the big conference manage to accumulate enough conference members and cross scheduling agreements... they will be eliminated for FCS teams. GOF games will always be scheduled by the big conferences... because there is a desire for as many home games as possible by those schools... and that's really no different than today. So you have as many as 1-2 games per big conference team per year that will result in a GOF getting scheduled.

And, let's not forget: Our FBS non-conference games would be against other GOF conferences with a big conference game sprinkled in... so tilts against Big East, CUSA, and Mountain West would take the place of our current OOC schedule. I'd STILL take that deal no matter what. As Kingfish said in another post: this process could take 3 or more years. It's better to go though this process as an FBS team than an FCS team... and he also said in the same post that while current FBS members may take a financial hit, our revenues will go up regardless, and we will know no different.

[appst89]

Heard Barry Alvarez of Wisconsin on XM on the way home. The Big(1?)10 is moving to add two extra conference games. According to him, there is a push for standardization in the number of conference games played by each of the power conferences. Also said that the power conferences are trying to work deals for cross-scheduling of non-conference games. The fallout from this is not only going to affect FCS schools, but also any FBS program that isn't a member of a power comference. If this shakes out the way Alvarez was talking, then the schools from the power conferences will each have one non-conference game that will not be governed by some cross-scheduling arrangement with another power conference. That is going to make it very difficult for many schools in the Go5 group to survive. Of all the things that have happened with realignment, this is potentially the biggest development. If this happens the way it was described, then this can be seen as nothing other than the first step toward the power conferences separating themselves from the rest of college football.

While big 5 games with GOF could be limited should the big conference manage to accumulate enough conference members and cross scheduling agreements... they will be eliminated for FCS teams. GOF games will always be scheduled by the big conferences... because there is a desire for as many home games as possible by those schools... and that's really no different than today. So you have as many as 1-2 games per big conference team per year that will result in a GOF getting scheduled.

And, let's not forget: Our FBS non-conference games would be against other GOF conferences with a big conference game sprinkled in... so tilts against Big East, CUSA, and Mountain West would take the place of our current OOC schedule. I'd STILL take that deal no matter what. As Kingfish said in another post: this process could take 3 or more years. It's better to go though this process as an FBS team than an FCS team... and he also said in the same post that while current FBS members may take a financial hit, our revenues will go up regardless, and we will know no different.

We will be better off being in FBS if this happens, no question, but it doesn't bode well for the future of the Go5 schools, or at least for the weaker ones. What Alvarez was advocating would leave one non-conference game per year for the Power Conference teams that would not be covered by a scheduling agreement. If this comes to fruition, it is not going to be good for anybody but the Power Conferences.

[AppinVA]

Heard Barry Alvarez of Wisconsin on XM on the way home. The Big(1?)10 is moving to add two extra conference games. According to him, there is a push for standardization in the number of conference games played by each of the power conferences. Also said that the power conferences are trying to work deals for cross-scheduling of non-conference games. The fallout from this is not only going to affect FCS schools, but also any FBS program that isn't a member of a power comference. If this shakes out the way Alvarez was talking, then the schools from the power conferences will each have one non-conference game that will not be governed by some cross-scheduling arrangement with another power conference. That is going to make it very difficult for many schools in the Go5 group to survive. Of all the things that have happened with realignment, this is potentially the biggest development. If this happens the way it was described, then this can be seen as nothing other than the first step toward the power conferences separating themselves from the rest of college football.

While big 5 games with GOF could be limited should the big conference manage to accumulate enough conference members and cross scheduling agreements... they will be eliminated for FCS teams. GOF games will always be scheduled by the big conferences... because there is a desire for as many home games as possible by those schools... and that's really no different than today. So you have as many as 1-2 games per big conference team per year that will result in a GOF getting scheduled.

And, let's not forget: Our FBS non-conference games would be against other GOF conferences with a big conference game sprinkled in... so tilts against Big East, CUSA, and Mountain West would take the place of our current OOC schedule. I'd STILL take that deal no matter what. As Kingfish said in another post: this process could take 3 or more years. It's better to go though this process as an FBS team than an FCS team... and he also said in the same post that while current FBS members may take a financial hit, our revenues will go up regardless, and we will know no different.

We will be better off being in FBS if this happens, no question, but it doesn't bode well for the future of the Go5 schools, or at least for the weaker ones. What Alvarez was advocating would leave one non-conference game per year for the Power Conference teams that would not be covered by a scheduling agreement. If this comes to fruition, it is not going to be good for anybody but the Power Conferences.

It won't be good for schools like Wake Forest, Northwestern and Minnesota, either. Wait until the 4-8 seasons start to pile up at Virginia, Baylor and Arizona State. When coaches starts to lose jobs because there aren't enough home game or wins to go around, things will begin to loosen up.

[GoApps70]

If the Power 5 Conferences could block out all other play with FBS outside their block they would do so in a snap. Unfortunately for them, but fortunately for us, they cannot do that without eating their own flesh. On average 1/2 of them would have losing records by just playing among themselves. They need outside teams to beat up on to improve their records, justify a bowl for themselves, and maintain their high paid coaches jobs.

[Yosef84]

Nice thought, but no, UNCC would be on the exact same transitional phase as we will be IF we accept an FBS conference offer before the end of May 2013.

Both we and UNCC would be FCS transitional schools in years 2013-2014, since they play their first year of football in 2013. We would probably not even take in additional scholarships so that we would have a maximum of 63 and could play in the FCS playoffs and championship game if we could make it to the NC. (UNCC could have more than 63, but would probably decide not to do so also.)

The next year 2014-2015 we would both play an FBS transitional season where we would both have over 63 scholarships and have to have five (or four and once FCS) FBS games at home and be considered FBS transitional, not FCS.

Then in year 2015-2016 we would be full FBS, eligible for any conference championship and/or bowl game.

Actually, UNCC will play TWO seasons as an FCS Independent before joining CUSA for football in 2015, so we would be on the same timetable if were file AFTER the deadline. If we filed the papers immediately, we would be transitional in 2013 and officially FBS in 2014 so we would beat them by a year.

[TheMoody1]

Nice thought, but no, UNCC would be on the exact same transitional phase as we will be IF we accept an FBS conference offer before the end of May 2013.

Both we and UNCC would be FCS transitional schools in years 2013-2014, since they play their first year of football in 2013. We would probably not even take in additional scholarships so that we would have a maximum of 63 and could play in the FCS playoffs and championship game if we could make it to the NC. (UNCC could have more than 63, but would probably decide not to do so also.)

The next year 2014-2015 we would both play an FBS transitional season where we would both have over 63 scholarships and have to have five (or four and once FCS) FBS games at home and be considered FBS transitional, not FCS.

Then in year 2015-2016 we would be full FBS, eligible for any conference championship and/or bowl game.

Actually, UNCC will play TWO seasons as an FCS Independent before joining CUSA for football in 2015, so we would be on the same timetable if were file AFTER the deadline. If we filed the papers immediately, we would be transitional in 2013 and officially FBS in 2014 so we would beat them by a year.

Do we get the bigger pay out from Michigan if we are FBS transitional or do we have to be full FBS? I think we probably would get the FCS pay out amount.

[Yosef84]

Nice thought, but no, UNCC would be on the exact same transitional phase as we will be IF we accept an FBS conference offer before the end of May 2013.

Both we and UNCC would be FCS transitional schools in years 2013-2014, since they play their first year of football in 2013. We would probably not even take in additional scholarships so that we would have a maximum of 63 and could play in the FCS playoffs and championship game if we could make it to the NC. (UNCC could have more than 63, but would probably decide not to do so also.)

The next year 2014-2015 we would both play an FBS transitional season where we would both have over 63 scholarships and have to have five (or four and once FCS) FBS games at home and be considered FBS transitional, not FCS.

Then in year 2015-2016 we would be full FBS, eligible for any conference championship and/or bowl game.

Actually, UNCC will play TWO seasons as an FCS Independent before joining CUSA for football in 2015, so we would be on the same timetable if were file AFTER the deadline. If we filed the papers immediately, we would be transitional in 2013 and officially FBS in 2014 so we would beat them by a year.

Do we get the bigger pay out from Michigan if we are FBS transitional or do we have to be full FBS? I think we probably would get the FCS pay out amount.

I'm not positive, but I think we might get the bigger payoff if we're transitional. I could be completely off base on that though.

[GoApps70]

No way. If we do not file for FBS prior to the end of May 2013, we are screwing ourselves royally.
We file the paperwork ASAP. If we do not we spend an extra year in FCS - for NO reason.
We can play for the FCS championship if we filed today. As long as we do not carry more than 63 scholarships before the end of our playing football in 2013 - and January 2014.
We would be FCS transitional for 2013-2014 season, but totally able to play for the FCS championship (as long as 63 max scholarships), then Will then be FBS transitional 2014-2015. Then 2015-2016 we would be full FBS, and a full member of an FBS conference.

UNCC is keeping this same time span. They cannot join CUSA in 2015 as you said unless they do it that way, because they have to be FBS in order to join CUSA. 2013-2014 = UNCC FCS transitional, 2014-2015 = UNCC FBS transitional and then join CUSA as full member in 2015-2016 season.

So, if we do not file the FBS paperwork BEFORE the end of May 2013, we will be a complete year behind UNCC.

[GlassOnion]

imarino talks cutting Socon/FCS football schollies:

Iamarino said that if FBS games dry up completely, the FCS’s 63-scholarship requirement might be reconsidered.

“The only reason to have 63 scholarships is to be eligible to play FBS teams and count toward their bowl eligibility,” he said. “If those games go away, the entire subdivision would have to look at if 63 is the right number. Could we save expenses by reducing the number of scholarships? It would seem to me that’s one thing that would have to be looked at.”

-http://www.postandcourier.com/article/2 ... /130229624

[APP72]

Moody, I seem to remember that we are getting double what we received the first time that we played Michigan. I thought we received $400,000 to 450,000 the first time in 2007 and I think we are getting around $900,000 in 2014. I just remember hearing this when they announced that we would be playing a rematch. Someone correct me if I am wrong. GO APPS!!!!!!

[Saint3333]

The product on the field would suffer if we remain at this level, but this will reduce us to NEC level programs. Every piece of news we get about the FCS is another nail in the coffin of the subdivision as we know it. Looks like the SoCon leaders are all for it, no one should be surprised.

#inept