Has App St Turned Down the Sun Belt?

[JCline0429]

This is unbelievable to me. Has our administration turned down a Sun Belt offer?
This writer has been known to have contacts with Benson, the Sun Belt commissioner.
If we are no longer a top candidate then it seems we have turned the SB down.

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootbal ... r-sun-belt

I can't express how angry I am about even the possibility of this happening. Charlie Cobb should be burned at the stake if he in fact****up.

ASU athletics are dead if CBS is not mistaken.

Could you edit out the f bomb?

[Gonzo]

This is unbelievable to me. Has our administration turned down a Sun Belt offer?
This writer has been known to have contacts with Benson, the Sun Belt commissioner.
If we are no longer a top candidate then it seems we have turned the SB down.

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootbal ... r-sun-belt

I can't express how angry I am about even the possibility of this happening. Charlie Cobb should be burned at the stake if he in fact messed this up.

ASU athletics are dead if CBS is not mistaken.

Could you edit out the f bomb?

Done. Sorry buddy.

[Yosef]

Could you edit out the f bomb?

By quoting him you have now in turn dropped an f bomb.

[yosef03]

There's no mention off App rejecting an offer and no mention that an offer has been extended to us yet.

[JCline0429]

Could you edit out the f bomb?

By quoting him you have now in turn dropped an f bomb.

I corrected it after he did.

[asu66]

Let me share a wee tad of advice. If your blood pressure is red-lining over that piece that ASU70 posted, then try taking two Ambien tabs and call me on Monday when you wake up. You need some serious quiet time.

The realignment circus is NOT over by any means. We're still in it somewhere. No one with any real inside info is going to disclose what they know until the deals are essentially done.

Relax. It isn't over. It'll unfold without our input. That's a fact!

[JCline0429]

Sorry, just simply can't get excited about the Sun Belt. It's beating a dead horse, but I'd really hate to see ASU football go the way of Marshall, riding off into mediocrity.

You have an incredibly distorted view of SoCon football if you don't think the SBC is leaps and bounds ahead in every way.

I understand loving the playoffs and old rivalries, I feel the same way, but if your primary problem with playing in the SBC is the fact that they're a bunch of no name teams, I suggest you do a little research on national recognition of SBC vs SoCon schools. 90% of college football fans would agree that FBS mediocrity>FCS prowess.

And last I checked, Marshal did very well in the MAC when they moved, is doing fine in CUSA and gets to host in-state foe, WVU every other year or so. Just to name a few tangible advantages in your all-too-common comparison.

I don't think my view is distorted. I'm simply stating that I can't get excited about that particular lineup of teams, and I simply can't see our fanbase attending games in Texas, Louisiana, Arkansas, etc. each year. Maybe I'm an idealist, but I can't see the NCAA turning a blind eye to strong regional FCS programs like ASU, GSU, JMU, UD, etc. if FCS is falling off a cliff. Those programs all put butts in the seats, create positive cash flows, and preserve something of a regional conference unlike the widely dispersed CUSA or Sun Belt. My point is don't jump simply to jump, make it mean something from a big picture perspective.

And Marshall is 21-27 since they joined CUSA in 2005. .438 seems mediocre to me, at least by ASU standards.

Rep point.

[JCline0429]

Some here are comfortable being the one on the left.

Hyperbole. Who wants to be the one on the left at that big a margin, but who the H could get excited about the one on the right? The right one is the formula for mediocrity.

[WataugaMan]

The one on the right has room to grow, the one on the left doesn't.

[JCline0429]

The one on the right has room to grow, the one on the left doesn't.

Grow and keep out of the bottom feeders in the lower half of the Sun Belt and earn a Spark Plug Bowl every few years. The Sun Belt must be exciting with 7 out of 10 drawing less than 20,000 at home if I'm not mistaken. And that's FBS.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Sun_B ... all_season

[AppinVA]

Some here are comfortable being the one on the left.

Hyperbole. Who wants to be the one on the left at that big a margin, but who the H could get excited about the one on the right? The right one is the formula for mediocrity.

Hyperbole by design. The one on the right isn't feeding on the bottom, either.

[JCline0429]

Some here are comfortable being the one on the left.

Hyperbole. Who wants to be the one on the left at that big a margin, but who the H could get excited about the one on the right? The right one is the formula for mediocrity.

Hyperbole by design. The one on the right isn't feeding on the bottom, either.

You're right, they're right in the middle. Is that where we would want to be as we grew? Would coming in the top 3 or 4 in the SunBelt put us in the middle of FBS? Just asking.

[WataugaMan]

Grow and keep out of the bottom feeders in the lower half of the Sun Belt and earn a Spark Plug Bowl every few years.

I thought you had more faith in Coach Moore than that???

[AppinVA]

I'm betting the one on the right wouldn't trade places with the one on the left.

[JCline0429]

Grow and keep out of the bottom feeders in the lower half of the Sun Belt and earn a Spark Plug Bowl every few years.

I thought you had more faith in Coach Moore than that???

I hope he chooses to retire before we go FBS. Many fans on this board don't want him when we put back to back 8 win seasons in FCS and drawing close to 30K. They would really raise holy heck if we put together two .500 seasons in FBS...which is entirely possible the first 2 or 3 years in FBS and drew less than 25K Like 7 teams in the Sun Belt. Am I wrong?
And BTW are those Sun Belt teams our peers and like minded. I suspect they aren't academically when it come to whom they recruit.
As to having faith or confidence in JM...do you? I want him to go out on top in FCS before we make the transition. That's what he deserves and he's about all we can afford. We would have a hard time recruiting a quality coach when we transition to FBS at what we can pay. We would still be relegated to playing top FBS teams on the road.

[WataugaMan]

"I hope he chooses to retire before we go FBS." Agreed

"Many fans on this board don't want him when we put back to back 8 win seasons in FCS and drawing close to 30K."

Many fans on this board believe that due to that continued success it's time for the move.

"They would really raise holy heck if we put together two .500 seasons in FBS...which is entirely possible the first 2 or 3 years in FBS and drew less than 25K Like 7 teams in the Sun Belt. Am I wrong?"

Yes, most fans know that there will be growing pains. Also, teams like Troy, Western Kentucky etc. will draw at least the same or more than west carolina, and elon etc. It's just a fact that some would be satisfied to have Lenior Rhyne on the schedule as opposed to Wake Forest, just a matter of opinion I guess.

"As to having faith or confidence in JM...do you?"

I believe you already know the answer to that question.

"We would have a hard time recruiting a quality coach when we transition to FBS at what we can pay."

We already have a quality coach on staff with successful FBS experiene named SS.

[ASUPATCH]

Grow and keep out of the bottom feeders in the lower half of the Sun Belt and earn a Spark Plug Bowl every few years.

I thought you had more faith in Coach Moore than that???

I hope he chooses to retire before we go FBS. Many fans on this board don't want him when we put back to back 8 win seasons in FCS and drawing close to 30K. They would really raise holy heck if we put together two .500 seasons in FBS...which is entirely possible the first 2 or 3 years in FBS and drew less than 25K Like 7 teams in the Sun Belt. Am I wrong?
And BTW are those Sun Belt teams our peers and like minded. I suspect they aren't academically when it come to whom they recruit.
As to having faith or confidence in JM...do you? I want him to go out on top in FCS before we make the transition. That's what he deserves and he's about all we can afford. We would have a hard time recruiting a quality coach when we transition to FBS at what we can pay. We would still be relegated to playing top FBS teams on the road.

Oh where do I start. If the payoffs are soooo great how come no one showed up to them yesterday? Wheather was great. Not thanksgiving. Two weeks notice with the bye week. The athletic department did their job as I heard radio spots and saw news ads promoting this game everywhere. So what gives? Aren't the playoffs supposed to be the main reason to stay FCS? We had a .500 fcs season in 2004 and still packed it full in 2005 for the NC season. I find it laughable to try and put down sunvel attendence. How many people attned WCU games or Elon games when they dont have App on the ticket. Here is your answer it is a fraction of the 25k number you seem to be dismissing. Scott Satterfield has alreasy been announced as the Coach in Waiting.

Out of the entire post the one point you made that carries any weight is the you academics. It is not a conference that I think we are a good academic fit with. But after all the Sunbelt is the stepping stone confernce isnt it? You put down roots make a name and move on to USA or MAC or Big East.

[ASUPATCH]

Grow and keep out of the bottom feeders in the lower half of the Sun Belt and earn a Spark Plug Bowl every few years.

I thought you had more faith in Coach Moore than that???

I hope he chooses to retire before we go FBS. Many fans on this board don't want him when we put back to back 8 win seasons in FCS and drawing close to 30K. They would really raise holy heck if we put together two .500 seasons in FBS...which is entirely possible the first 2 or 3 years in FBS and drew less than 25K Like 7 teams in the Sun Belt. Am I wrong?
And BTW are those Sun Belt teams our peers and like minded. I suspect they aren't academically when it come to whom they recruit.
As to having faith or confidence in JM...do you? I want him to go out on top in FCS before we make the transition. That's what he deserves and he's about all we can afford. We would have a hard time recruiting a quality coach when we transition to FBS at what we can pay. We would still be relegated to playing top FBS teams on the road.

Oh where do I start. If the payoffs are soooo great how come no one showed up to them yesterday? Wheather was great. Not thanksgiving. Two weeks notice with the bye week. The athletic department did their job as I heard radio spots and saw news ads promoting this game everywhere. So what gives? Aren't the playoffs supposed to be the main reason to stay FCS? We had a .500 fcs season in 2004 and still packed it full in 2005 for the NC season. I find it laughable to try and put down sunbelt attendence. How many people attend WCU games or Elon games when they dont have App on the ticket? Here is your answer it is a fraction of the 25k number you seem to be dismissing. Scott Satterfield has already been announced as the Coach in Waiting.

Out of the entire post the one point you made that carries any weight is the academics. It is not a conference that I think we are a good academic fit with. But after all the Sunbelt is the stepping stone confernce isnt it? You put down roots make a name and move on to USA or MAC or Big East.

[ASUPATCH]

For a point of refrence only 2 count them 2 SoCon schools bettered 13k in attendnce. Not sure why this 25k attnedence in the sunbelt is so bad when every team in the Socon outside of ASU and GSU fails to reach half of that. Remove our games from thier home slates and I would say that number dips another 5-10%.\http://web1.ncaa.org/mfb/2010/Internet/ ... NDANCE.pdf

[WVAPPeer]

"And last I checked, Marshal did very well in the MAC when they moved, is doing fine in CUSA and gets to host in-state foe, WVU every other year or so. Just to name a few tangible advantages in your all-too-common comparison."

Just for point of clarification - Marshall only plays WVU because the State Legislature stepped in and mandated it ---