Would We Accept Sun Belt Offer?

[canes_mj]

Bottom line is we are going to FBS. I really don't care about the age for or against.

#1-I like being the big fish in the small pond
#2-I like the idea of Wake, UNC, ECU, UNCC (if they aren't scrared) instead of sorry D1 teams coming to Boone.

So I'm 50/50, but now leaning more FBS. I really LOVE the playoffs, but at sometime we have to change or get left behind. I do think we will have 30,000 + when we do play teams like Wake, UNC, UNC-Chickens, and ECU. I think we all know the Sunbelt teams don't travel well at all as we would have the highest crowds in the Sunbelt.

I just love ASU football.

Pretty much sums up how I feel. Nice to read a balanced post about the subject that acknowledges there are pros and cons to both sides. I find myself pro FBS only in the sense that I feel it's a necessity and something we have to do. Personally I wish it wasn't, I hate giving up the playoffs, and I worry about becoming completely irrelevant. But, I do like the idea of games at ACC schools. I especially would like to bring back the series vs. Wake.

[bcoach]

What a jump to a conclusion. The people that answer those type of surveys typically fall on the two entremes thus my reference to ACC and D2. They have had over 18 months to get feedback from our fanbase. More people are for than against, luckily most are FOR App State and what the leaders perceive as the best for our program. Those leaders have been clear what that is, a FBS conference that includes regional potential rivals.

If you attended two of those group meetings how come you didn't speak up?

Every group thought FBS was the way to go. Seems like they liked what they heard.

That ship has sailed.

Here is the deal then I am done because I never had any intention of an argument. I am not fighting the FCS/FBS thing it is done. I have said that many times. All I have said is that we don't know how many are for and against, and we don't. We have peoples opinions but we don't have anything for a fact. That is all. That is my only point. I think that our fans are a little smarter than some would think and I think there are a number of those horrible old people who prefer FCS and on and on, but my only point was that we don't know how the majority feels. That's all. We don't know. No big deal at this point but it is a fact. We don't know.

[newtoasu]

Here is the deal then I am done because I never had any intention of an argument. I am not fighting the FCS/FBS thing it is done. I have said that many times. All I have said is that we don't know how many are for and against, and we don't. We have peoples opinions but we don't have anything for a fact. That is all. That is my only point. I think that our fans are a little smarter than some would think and I think there are a number of those horrible old people who prefer FCS and on and on, but my only point was that we don't know how the majority feels. That's all. We don't know. No big deal at this point but it is a fact. We don't know.

I understand what you are saying, but what does the "majority" of fans have to do with anything? And when we are counting up the majority does the person who has been attending games for 25 years count as one vote and a "fan" of the same age who attended the first half of a game twenty five years ago also get one vote?

We don't call plays by majority vote so why do we make major decisions about the direction of a program by majority decision?

I don't have any idea what the majority of fans support regarding FCS/FBS, but I think there is a large nucleus of the active financial backers who feel that the time is right for The FBS move. I think we need to accept that and move on, which is what you refer to in your post as well.

[bcoach]

Here is the deal then I am done because I never had any intention of an argument. I am not fighting the FCS/FBS thing it is done. I have said that many times. All I have said is that we don't know how many are for and against, and we don't. We have peoples opinions but we don't have anything for a fact. That is all. That is my only point. I think that our fans are a little smarter than some would think and I think there are a number of those horrible old people who prefer FCS and on and on, but my only point was that we don't know how the majority feels. That's all. We don't know. No big deal at this point but it is a fact. We don't know.

I understand what you are saying, but what does the "majority" of fans have to do with anything? And when we are counting up the majority does the person who has been attending games for 25 years count as one vote and a "fan" of the same age who attended the first half of a game twenty five years ago also get one vote?

We don't call plays by majority vote so why do we make major decisions about the direction of a program by majority decision?

I don't have any idea what the majority of fans support regarding FCS/FBS, but I think there is a large nucleus of the active financial backers who feel that the time is right for The FBS move. I think we need to accept that and move on, which is what you refer to in your post as well.

Just so you understand. Someone said the majority of fans felt a certain way and I was saying simply that we don't know what the majority wants. I never mentioned that we should do what the majority wants only that we don't know what that is. It is very difficult to make a simple statement on here and I should know better.

[newtoasu]

I understood the point you were making and I agree that no one knows for sure what a majority of fans want. My point, is that we will never know how to define a "majority" much less what that majority wants, if they even know what they want. I am one who came from being pro FCS to middle of the road to accepting of the move to FBs, albeit with a lot of trepidation, however I realize that my wants or desires have no responsibility or accountability. I will defer to those who do have that job to make these decisions and hope they are correct.

Have a great Christmas!

[bcoach]

I understood the point you were making and I agree that no one knows for sure what a majority of fans want. My point, is that we will never know how to define a "majority" much less what that majority wants, if they even know what they want. I am one who came from being pro FCS to middle of the road to accepting of the move to FBs, albeit with a lot of trepidation, however I realize that my wants or desires have no responsibility or accountability. I will defer to those who do have that job to make these decisions and hope they are correct.

Have a great Christmas!

You and I are on the same page.

[GoApps70]

Good to see that everyone wants to go FBS now.

[ASUMountaineer]

I attended a couple as well. 50+ were at both and it included alumni members and fans from multiple states, areas within those states, many different backgrounds and varying opinions on the subject. A survey of the broad base without the presentation I saw would accomplish nothing other than divide a fanbase. Many of our fans don't have a firm grip of reality of where App State is in the college athletic landscape, and that is on both sides of the spectrum, from "join the ACC" to " I like playing in D2".

OOPS sorry. I didn't realize that we had that many fans that just don't have a grip. I guess many of them just are not smart enough to make a decision. Thank god we have someone like you to make our decisions for us. Many thanks. We owe you our undying gratitude. Thank heaven we didn’t do that survey because if we did we would be divided on the subject. Thanks again. We owe you. Without you and the other 99 we may have decided to drop down to D2.

That post is a little self-indulgent, no? We all have opinions, and they all carry the same weight. Carry on...

[TheMoody1]

we all have opinions, and they all carry the same weight. Carry on...

On this message board sure, but In the real world some opinions carry way more weight than others.

[ASUMountaineer]

we all have opinions, and they all carry the same weight. Carry on...

On this message board sure, but In the real world some opinions carry way more weight than others.

No doubt about it, but we're on a message board. Who was talking about the real world?

[Gonzo]

I attended a couple as well. 50+ were at both and it included alumni members and fans from multiple states, areas within those states, many different backgrounds and varying opinions on the subject. A survey of the broad base without the presentation I saw would accomplish nothing other than divide a fanbase. Many of our fans don't have a firm grip of reality of where App State is in the college athletic landscape, and that is on both sides of the spectrum, from "join the ACC" to " I like playing in D2".

OOPS sorry. I didn't realize that we had that many fans that just don't have a grip. I guess many of them just are not smart enough to make a decision. Thank god we have someone like you to make our decisions for us. Many thanks. We owe you our undying gratitude. Thank heaven we didn’t do that survey because if we did we would be divided on the subject. Thanks again. We owe you. Without you and the other 99 we may have decided to drop down to D2.

That post is a little self-indulgent, no? We all have opinions, and they all carry the same weight. Carry on...

I don't know. I certainly put more stock into what certain posters on here say than others.

[AppinVA]

I attended a couple as well. 50+ were at both and it included alumni members and fans from multiple states, areas within those states, many different backgrounds and varying opinions on the subject. A survey of the broad base without the presentation I saw would accomplish nothing other than divide a fanbase. Many of our fans don't have a firm grip of reality of where App State is in the college athletic landscape, and that is on both sides of the spectrum, from "join the ACC" to " I like playing in D2".

OOPS sorry. I didn't realize that we had that many fans that just don't have a grip. I guess many of them just are not smart enough to make a decision. Thank god we have someone like you to make our decisions for us. Many thanks. We owe you our undying gratitude. Thank heaven we didn’t do that survey because if we did we would be divided on the subject. Thanks again. We owe you. Without you and the other 99 we may have decided to drop down to D2.

That post is a little self-indulgent, no? We all have opinions, and they all carry the same weight. Carry on...

I don't know. I certainly put more stock into what certain posters on here say than others.

Me too. I only put stock in the ones I agree with.

Kidding....A little...

[bcoach]

"Bottom line is that we are all guessing due to the crowd we hang with. We really have no idea what the percentage for or against really is. It really does not matter as the decision has been made but it would just be one less thing to argue about."
....and that is where it all started. I really thought that was an innocent comment. Just a " we really don't know and it really dosen't matter" kind of comment. Are we all still friends? Really gives you a little better understanding of the whole H and M problem.

[Saint3333]

I know the majority of people at all focus groups agreed moving to FBS was the right move. That was the time to speak up. That is a fact some are attempting ignore.

[JCline0429]

Bottom line is we are going to FBS. I really don't care about the age for or against.

#1-I like being the big fish in the small pond
#2-I like the idea of Wake, UNC, ECU, UNCC (if they aren't scrared) instead of sorry D1 teams coming to Boone.

So I'm 50/50, but now leaning more FBS. I really LOVE the playoffs, but at sometime we have to change or get left behind. I do think we will have 30,000 + when we do play teams like Wake, UNC, UNC-Chickens, and ECU. I think we all know the Sunbelt teams don't travel well at all as we would have the highest crowds in the Sunbelt.

I just love ASU football.

As I have stated many times before, the chance of Wake coming to Boone is slim to none. They have said before that the reason they didn't schedule App was because of the chance of losing, not which division we are in. They prove that yearly by scheduling other FCS teams. The chance of even scheduling them in Groves is remote, too. UNC is has nothing to gain and might even lose some recruits due to the exposure we would get.
As to the SunBelt, I agree about them not traveling well but I suspect we wouldn't travel well to their sites either. Geogrphy would cetainly play a role.

[ASUMountaineer]

I attended a couple as well. 50+ were at both and it included alumni members and fans from multiple states, areas within those states, many different backgrounds and varying opinions on the subject. A survey of the broad base without the presentation I saw would accomplish nothing other than divide a fanbase. Many of our fans don't have a firm grip of reality of where App State is in the college athletic landscape, and that is on both sides of the spectrum, from "join the ACC" to " I like playing in D2".

OOPS sorry. I didn't realize that we had that many fans that just don't have a grip. I guess many of them just are not smart enough to make a decision. Thank god we have someone like you to make our decisions for us. Many thanks. We owe you our undying gratitude. Thank heaven we didn’t do that survey because if we did we would be divided on the subject. Thanks again. We owe you. Without you and the other 99 we may have decided to drop down to D2.

That post is a little self-indulgent, no? We all have opinions, and they all carry the same weight. Carry on...

I don't know. I certainly put more stock into what certain posters on here say than others.

Sure, but what does that mean? No one's opinion on here will result in anything. It's just lines of text on an anonymous message board. That was my point.

[TheMoody1]

They have said before that the reason they didn't schedule App was because of the chance of losing, not which division we are in.

If they are going to play an FCS team it might as well be an easier one. I believe they will play us when we are FBS because if they lose they are not losing to a team from a lower division.

[bcoach]

I know the majority of people at all focus groups agreed moving to FBS was the right move. That was the time to speak up. That is a fact some are attempting ignore.

Who is ignoring that?

[Rekdiver]

There are only three reasons why I can see anyone not wanting ASU to play on the big stage....

1. Fear of Failure
2. Ticket prices going up to $30 or so
3. Enjoys playing small private schools.........and beating Western for 50 years straight....

It can't be the playoffs because attendance is down 37% foir playoff games vesres regular season.
Seems that some may be watching the FBS teams we might get to play?
National Championship verses a Bowl Game? Who reall pays attention to the NC's but us?

If we have to go to Frisco for a NC then why not go to NO or somewhere in FLA for a 1 game NATIONAL TV audience?
We can put more that 30k in the stands for a Wake, ECU, Marshall, Charlotte.....

It's okay to be scared but I think we can pull it off. I appreciate the business approach that KP has taken on this. Regional rivalries and no new student fees..........It has to make sense!

[JCline0429]

They have said before that the reason they didn't schedule App was because of the chance of losing, not which division we are in.

If they are going to play an FCS team it might as well be an easier one. I believe they will play us when we are FBS because if they lose they are not losing to a team from a lower division.

But we will be playing with the same number of scholarships for a change (assuming we can afford them). We will be more of a threat.