JMU, too?

[Appsolutely]

JMU ... yes.... Liberty??? Not no, but HELL no...

I don't have any connections to Liberty University. That said, I think it is said the hate and venom directed their way. It seems that anything associated with Bible believing Christians is made fun of and hated by many people. Am I wrong? It appears to me that many people are all for free speech as long as that speech doesn't disagree with their world view.

http://politicalhumor.about.com/od/stup ... quotes.htm

Thanks for posting the link (again). I posted it on an earlier thread that somehow disappeared from the board.

[Maddog1956]

Brief article from CBS Sports about the SBC's anticipated response to WKU's departure. I thought the last paragraph of the article was the most interesting. The author seems to see some of the handwriting on the wall about the future of FCS.

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootbal ... a-surprise

Unlike some others on here, I think It may not be a "done deal" yet, but that it's highly unlikely they don't jump. The addition of APP and Georgia Southern has to make it an easier decision for them. I just haven't heard if they have ever done a feasibility study or not.

[newtoasu]

Unlike some others on here, I think It may not be a "done deal" yet, but that it's highly unlikely they don't jump. The addition of APP and Georgia Southern has to make it an easier decision for them. I just haven't heard if they have ever done a feasibility study or not.

I believe they have announced they are in the process of doing a feasibility study. Some of their posters on their CAA board seem to think that the study begin unofficially last year.

That being said, in my opinion, the longer this drags out the more likely they are to get a MAC invite, which is what I think they and their fan base would like. They identify more with the MAC than the SBC, particularly on the academic side of the house. I would think that the MAC would want them anyway to try to balance out UMASS. The MAC currently has 13 team football league (a 6 team and a 7 team division split) and 12 team all sports league.

[bcoach]

I thought the fans were nice before the game. There was one band member that was REALLY into it, that was a bit over the top, but he was not in my face about it. He was just supporting his team. My wife and I stayed at the hotel just beside the Cracker Barrel. The store was full of VT and UVa stuff. I don't remember any purple at all. For shame. The only reason I was eating there is b/c is was a 45 sec walk to the restaurant and I was there to see a JMU game, and the store can't throw JMU a bone. I don't like local schools getting the shaft like this, rival to ASU or not.

Other reasons to have JMU in the SB. Train tracks not only in the city but through the campus itself. Granted they are hardly used, but still train tracks through campus.

Why I don't want to see Liberty is this.
http://www.liberty.edu/index.cfm?PID=18495&MID=17309

http://www.liberty.edu/index.cfm?PID=9821

I have a hard time thinking they have accreditation and pass this off as science. As part of a seminary for religious studies, then to each his own, but to pass this off as science, it makes me uneasy.

Well like I say I would rather have JMU but Liberty doesn't really bother me. I am not really bothered by most religions and I go to football games for the game not religion. By the same token if I go to church I am not watching sports. The one drawback is that just like church, tailgating at Liberty is not as much fun. But I can live with it.

[Gonzo]

Why I don't want to see Liberty is this.
http://www.liberty.edu/index.cfm?PID=18495&MID=17309

http://www.liberty.edu/index.cfm?PID=9821

WOW

What's their gym called? The Flat Earth Recreation Center?

[Gonzo]

Liberty voters:

[McLeansvilleAppFan]

I thought the fans were nice before the game. There was one band member that was REALLY into it, that was a bit over the top, but he was not in my face about it. He was just supporting his team. My wife and I stayed at the hotel just beside the Cracker Barrel. The store was full of VT and UVa stuff. I don't remember any purple at all. For shame. The only reason I was eating there is b/c is was a 45 sec walk to the restaurant and I was there to see a JMU game, and the store can't throw JMU a bone. I don't like local schools getting the shaft like this, rival to ASU or not.

Other reasons to have JMU in the SB. Train tracks not only in the city but through the campus itself. Granted they are hardly used, but still train tracks through campus.

Why I don't want to see Liberty is this.
http://www.liberty.edu/index.cfm?PID=18495&MID=17309

http://www.liberty.edu/index.cfm?PID=9821

I have a hard time thinking they have accreditation and pass this off as science. As part of a seminary for religious studies, then to each his own, but to pass this off as science, it makes me uneasy.

Well like I say I would rather have JMU but Liberty doesn't really bother me. I am not really bothered by most religions and I go to football games for the game not religion. By the same token if I go to church I am not watching sports. The one drawback is that just like church, tailgating at Liberty is not as much fun. But I can live with it.

I don't get to every home game. I have to pick and choose. I know I would not travel to Liberty to see ASU play unless it was a free ticket. I would put them at the bottom of my list to see in Boone. LIberty needs to be in a Conference with Oral Roberts and Bob Jones and a few other schools of their ilk. I am not saying they need to be kicked out of the NCAA (unless they lose accreditation, which it would not bother me if they did.) but I would prefer they be off in a corner and let their conf champion out to play and that's it.

[Kgfish]

Liberty voters:

Have to question the intelligence of anyone who takes Bill Maher seriously. The guy is a bitter, washed up comedian who has fooled some people into believing he is a political pundit.

[fjblair]

Why I don't want to see Liberty is this.
http://www.liberty.edu/index.cfm?PID=18495&MID=17309

http://www.liberty.edu/index.cfm?PID=9821

I have a hard time thinking they have accreditation and pass this off as science. As part of a seminary for religious studies, then to each his own, but to pass this off as science, it makes me uneasy.

Well like I say I would rather have JMU but Liberty doesn't really bother me. I am not really bothered by most religions and I go to football games for the game not religion. By the same token if I go to church I am not watching sports. The one drawback is that just like church, tailgating at Liberty is not as much fun. But I can live with it.

I don't get to every home game. I have to pick and choose. I know I would not travel to Liberty to see ASU play unless it was a free ticket. I would put them at the bottom of my list to see in Boone. LIberty needs to be in a Conference with Oral Roberts and Bob Jones and a few other schools of their ilk. I am not saying they need to be kicked out of the NCAA (unless they lose accreditation, which it would not bother me if they did.) but I would prefer they be off in a corner and let their conf champion out to play and that's it.

Liberty is a dud and I will be extremely disappointed if they are invited to the SB or anywhere ASU may be. My opinion has nothing to do with religion but with culture and academic profile.

[Kgfish]

I thought the fans were nice before the game. There was one band member that was REALLY into it, that was a bit over the top, but he was not in my face about it. He was just supporting his team. My wife and I stayed at the hotel just beside the Cracker Barrel. The store was full of VT and UVa stuff. I don't remember any purple at all. For shame. The only reason I was eating there is b/c is was a 45 sec walk to the restaurant and I was there to see a JMU game, and the store can't throw JMU a bone. I don't like local schools getting the shaft like this, rival to ASU or not.

Other reasons to have JMU in the SB. Train tracks not only in the city but through the campus itself. Granted they are hardly used, but still train tracks through campus.

Why I don't want to see Liberty is this.
http://www.liberty.edu/index.cfm?PID=18495&MID=17309

http://www.liberty.edu/index.cfm?PID=9821

I have a hard time thinking they have accreditation and pass this off as science. As part of a seminary for religious studies, then to each his own, but to pass this off as science, it makes me uneasy.

Well like I say I would rather have JMU but Liberty doesn't really bother me. I am not really bothered by most religions and I go to football games for the game not religion. By the same token if I go to church I am not watching sports. The one drawback is that just like church, tailgating at Liberty is not as much fun. But I can live with it.

I don't get to every home game. I have to pick and choose. I know I would not travel to Liberty to see ASU play unless it was a free ticket. I would put them at the bottom of my list to see in Boone. LIberty needs to be in a Conference with Oral Roberts and Bob Jones and a few other schools of their ilk. I am not saying they need to be kicked out of the NCAA (unless they lose accreditation, which it would not bother me if they did.) but I would prefer they be off in a corner and let their conf champion out to play and that's it.

Some of you need to separate your political and religious feelings from the athletics side of of it. I have a big problem with Mormonism but I wouldn't have an issue with playing BYU.

[Kgfish]

Why I don't want to see Liberty is this.
http://www.liberty.edu/index.cfm?PID=18495&MID=17309

http://www.liberty.edu/index.cfm?PID=9821

I have a hard time thinking they have accreditation and pass this off as science. As part of a seminary for religious studies, then to each his own, but to pass this off as science, it makes me uneasy.

Well like I say I would rather have JMU but Liberty doesn't really bother me. I am not really bothered by most religions and I go to football games for the game not religion. By the same token if I go to church I am not watching sports. The one drawback is that just like church, tailgating at Liberty is not as much fun. But I can live with it.

I don't get to every home game. I have to pick and choose. I know I would not travel to Liberty to see ASU play unless it was a free ticket. I would put them at the bottom of my list to see in Boone. LIberty needs to be in a Conference with Oral Roberts and Bob Jones and a few other schools of their ilk. I am not saying they need to be kicked out of the NCAA (unless they lose accreditation, which it would not bother me if they did.) but I would prefer they be off in a corner and let their conf champion out to play and that's it.

Liberty is a dud and I will be extremely disappointed if they are invited to the SB or anywhere ASU may be. My opinion has nothing to do with religion but with culture and academic profile.

If that is your concern the Sun Belt definitely needs to add Liberty to enhance the academic profile of the conference. US News and World Reports College Rankings for 2013 - Regional Southern Universities. ASU #10, WCU #37, UTC #46, Ark State #56, Liberty #65, Troy #67, UL Monroe #91, Ga Southern, Ga State, UL Lafayette & South AL non ranked.

[McLeansvilleAppFan]

I thought the fans were nice before the game. There was one band member that was REALLY into it, that was a bit over the top, but he was not in my face about it. He was just supporting his team. My wife and I stayed at the hotel just beside the Cracker Barrel. The store was full of VT and UVa stuff. I don't remember any purple at all. For shame. The only reason I was eating there is b/c is was a 45 sec walk to the restaurant and I was there to see a JMU game, and the store can't throw JMU a bone. I don't like local schools getting the shaft like this, rival to ASU or not.

Other reasons to have JMU in the SB. Train tracks not only in the city but through the campus itself. Granted they are hardly used, but still train tracks through campus.

Why I don't want to see Liberty is this.
http://www.liberty.edu/index.cfm?PID=18495&MID=17309

http://www.liberty.edu/index.cfm?PID=9821

I have a hard time thinking they have accreditation and pass this off as science. As part of a seminary for religious studies, then to each his own, but to pass this off as science, it makes me uneasy.

Well like I say I would rather have JMU but Liberty doesn't really bother me. I am not really bothered by most religions and I go to football games for the game not religion. By the same token if I go to church I am not watching sports. The one drawback is that just like church, tailgating at Liberty is not as much fun. But I can live with it.

I don't get to every home game. I have to pick and choose. I know I would not travel to Liberty to see ASU play unless it was a free ticket. I would put them at the bottom of my list to see in Boone. LIberty needs to be in a Conference with Oral Roberts and Bob Jones and a few other schools of their ilk. I am not saying they need to be kicked out of the NCAA (unless they lose accreditation, which it would not bother me if they did.) but I would prefer they be off in a corner and let their conf champion out to play and that's it.

Some of you need to separate your political and religious feelings from the athletics side of of it. I have a big problem with Mormonism but I wouldn't have an issue with playing BYU.

My problem is one of academics not religion. Passing off a religious story as science is a concern I have. There are plenty of religious schools that are not pushing an avowed religious viewpoint as science and I would have no problem being connected to those schools. And I don't have a problem with an avowed religious school pushing a certain religious viewpoint as long as they are doing just that, pushing it as a religious viewpoint and not science. Furman, Elon and many more had at one time a stronger religious connection, and it was not that many years ago. I have no problem with either of those schools then or now. I attended the Lenoir-Rhyne game without any concerns about what L-R was spreading as academic facts. This is university sports and as such I don't think we should separate the two sides -academics and athletics so easily, and with Liberty the concerns are enough with me that I would rather not be connected with them, except in a manner that we have no choice such as a playoff game, tourney. Basically events we did not schedule but both us and them were invited to participate. I would not expect us to boycott but I have no desire to be connected more than we have to be.

[AtlantaMountaineer]

If my memory serves me correctly, App used to play Liberty in football until Falwell came out and said some outrageous things and the App student body protested, and I don't believe we have played them since. Not for sure of the timing but I do remember something like this occurring. Ambivalent on Liberty but prefer JMU. If JMU joined the Sunbelt, App would have many of the FCS regional teams it discussed when we were thinking about forming a new regional FBS league. Everyone except Deleware who doesn't seem to know what they want to do.

[BeauFoster]

Liberty was Apps opponent for my first game as a student (though not my first ever game).

[Kgfish]

I thought the fans were nice before the game. There was one band member that was REALLY into it, that was a bit over the top, but he was not in my face about it. He was just supporting his team. My wife and I stayed at the hotel just beside the Cracker Barrel. The store was full of VT and UVa stuff. I don't remember any purple at all. For shame. The only reason I was eating there is b/c is was a 45 sec walk to the restaurant and I was there to see a JMU game, and the store can't throw JMU a bone. I don't like local schools getting the shaft like this, rival to ASU or not.

Other reasons to have JMU in the SB. Train tracks not only in the city but through the campus itself. Granted they are hardly used, but still train tracks through campus.

Why I don't want to see Liberty is this.
http://www.liberty.edu/index.cfm?PID=18495&MID=17309

http://www.liberty.edu/index.cfm?PID=9821

I have a hard time thinking they have accreditation and pass this off as science. As part of a seminary for religious studies, then to each his own, but to pass this off as science, it makes me uneasy.

Well like I say I would rather have JMU but Liberty doesn't really bother me. I am not really bothered by most religions and I go to football games for the game not religion. By the same token if I go to church I am not watching sports. The one drawback is that just like church, tailgating at Liberty is not as much fun. But I can live with it.

I don't get to every home game. I have to pick and choose. I know I would not travel to Liberty to see ASU play unless it was a free ticket. I would put them at the bottom of my list to see in Boone. LIberty needs to be in a Conference with Oral Roberts and Bob Jones and a few other schools of their ilk. I am not saying they need to be kicked out of the NCAA (unless they lose accreditation, which it would not bother me if they did.) but I would prefer they be off in a corner and let their conf champion out to play and that's it.

Some of you need to separate your political and religious feelings from the athletics side of of it. I have a big problem with Mormonism but I wouldn't have an issue with playing BYU.

My problem is one of academics not religion. Passing off a religious story as science is a concern I have. There are plenty of religious schools that are not pushing an avowed religious viewpoint as science and I would have no problem being connected to those schools. And I don't have a problem with an avowed religious school pushing a certain religious viewpoint as long as they are doing just that, pushing it as a religious viewpoint and not science. Furman, Elon and many more had at one time a stronger religious connection, and it was not that many years ago. I have no problem with either of those schools then or now. I attended the Lenoir-Rhyne game without any concerns about what L-R was spreading as academic facts. This is university sports and as such I don't think we should separate the two sides -academics and athletics so easily, and with Liberty the concerns are enough with me that I would rather not be connected with them, except in a manner that we have no choice such as a playoff game, tourney. Basically events we did not schedule but both us and them were invited to participate. I would not expect us to boycott but I have no desire to be connected more than we have to be.

Judging by your bio I see you are a science teacher. I've never looked at Creationism as science. It is a belief. Science does not have any indisputable proof the universe started with the Big Bang. It also has no indisputable evidence evolution is responsible for mankind. Evolutionary theory is based upon continuous mutations in various life forms bringing about larger numbers of transitional life forms. The indisputable fact is no transitionals between any two successful species, fossil or living, have ever been observed. Darwin began the whole idea knowing he had no proof and hoped someone would uncover fossil evidence to prove his theory. Hasn't happened. Evolution is nothing more than an exclusively subjective theory that has yet to produce any empirical evidence to support it. A theory that continues to be presented as fact based purely on subjective peer support. In that sense evolution is no different than Creationism in that one has the believe something that can not be proven. The very foundation of faith.

While I do not dispute species adapted to ever changing eco systems through the ages, there is no empirical evidence to support humans evolved from fish or apes. It just isn't there. It seems quite clear the only way life could have originated is from a supreme being, aka God.

Mormon theology teaches the same belief on evolution as main stream Christianity as based on 1 Corinthians 15:39: "Not all flesh is the same: People have one kind of flesh, animals have another, birds another and fish another." Even so I doubt you would have an issue with ASU playing BYU.

My point is we need to separate athletics from theology and play ball. Liberty doesn't refuse to affiliate themselves with secular schools, so why discriminate against them?

[Gonzo]

Liberty voters:

Have to question the intelligence of anyone who takes Bill Maher seriously. The guy is a bitter, washed up comedian who has fooled some people into believing he is a political pundit.

I find that particular video funny. Does that make me stupid?

[Rekdiver]

Can we move topics about religion to another forum please? I am a football heathen and quite frankly not interested in the Faith verses Science arguments................Neither side can prove squat. To each their own.

Back to football..................

[Kgfish]

Liberty voters:

Have to question the intelligence of anyone who takes Bill Maher seriously. The guy is a bitter, washed up comedian who has fooled some people into believing he is a political pundit.

I find that particular video funny. Does that make me stupid?

Didn't watch it, don't care to. You can find him funny or irritating, but if you take him seriously, yes. The guy is nothing more than an entertainer with a shtick that appeals to the fringe left. It landed him a HBO gig and the adoration of the wacko left. He figured out it is easy to make a buck off of people's political emotions.

[Kgfish]

Can we move topics about religion to another forum please? I am a football heathen and quite frankly not interested in the Faith verses Science arguments................Neither side can prove squat. To each their own.

Back to football..................

Thank you for supporting my point. I agree, lets get back to football and what is best for ASU's athletic endeavors.

[Gonzo]

Liberty voters:

Have to question the intelligence of anyone who takes Bill Maher seriously. The guy is a bitter, washed up comedian who has fooled some people into believing he is a political pundit.

I find that particular video funny. Does that make me stupid?

Didn't watch it, don't care to. You can find him funny or irritating, but if you take him seriously, yes. The guy is nothing more than an entertainer with a shtick that appeals to the fringe left. It landed him a HBO gig and the adoration of the wacko left. He figured out it is easy to make a buck off of people's political emotions.

I enjoyed Religulous, but aside from that movie and this video, I haven't seen much of him. I find his points about main stream religion being a ruit evil of humanity pretty valid, but besides that I only see him as a comedian.