JMU, too?

hapapp · Unread post by **hapapp** » Wed Apr 03, 2013 11:41 am

Appsolutely wrote:"I don't get to every home game. I have to pick and choose. I know I would not travel to Liberty to see ASU play unless it was a free ticket. I would put them at the bottom of my list to see in Boone. LIberty needs to be in a Conference with Oral Roberts and Bob Jones and a few other schools of their ilk. I am not saying they need to be kicked out of the NCAA (unless they lose accreditation, which it would not bother me if they did.) but I would prefer they be off in a corner and let their conf champion out to play and that's it."--McLeansvilleApp

I think JMU mirrors us in many ways, and I would be delighted to see them join the Sun Belt. However, if it is Liberty, I will not be attending games in Lynchburg. This would be a purely personal decision on my part; I have no interest in starting or joining any group "boycott." I hold out hope that JMU will join, as I would gladly return to Harrisonburg for future games.

That's my view as well. I can understand the benefits of adding Liberty especially if JMU decides against the move. However, I won't step foot on the campus even though it is a bit more than an hours drive from my house. I have watched Liberty grow and evolve from LBC, and it is a different place. However, there is still a ways to go before I will feel comfortable associating with them. I will raise no stink if they join, but I won't welcome them with open arms either.

GlassOnion · Unread post by **GlassOnion** » Wed Apr 03, 2013 11:48 am

I dont want to associate with Liberty. I want to go there, watch App kick their azzes, enjoy being able to watch my team, and see some nice scenery, then go home.

I dont want to associate with GSU either, or JMU.

Im associated with App, no one else.

Unread post by **appst89** » Wed Apr 03, 2013 11:59 am

I am going to be exponentially less excited about this move if we end up in a conference with Liberty. stAte and UL-L, who already have one foot out of the SBC door, will do anything they have to do to get out if Liberty comes in. We will have gone from a sinking ship to one about ready to be torpedoed. I don't know what JMU is thinking, but I really hope they don't turn down the SBC.

GlassOnion · Unread post by **GlassOnion** » Wed Apr 03, 2013 12:09 pm

Easy gentlemen.

We've only got to stick around long enough to be noticed by the SEC or ACC.

asumike83 · Unread post by **asumike83** » Wed Apr 03, 2013 1:09 pm

appst89 wrote:I am going to be exponentially less excited about this move if we end up in a conference with Liberty. stAte and UL-L, who already have one foot out of the SBC door, will do anything they have to do to get out if Liberty comes in. We will have gone from a sinking ship to one about ready to be torpedoed. I don't know what JMU is thinking, but I really hope they don't turn down the SBC.

I agree that ASU/ULL would be VERY unhappy if Liberty is added, their situation is not unlike ours was with the SoCon. If they had a place to go, they'd be gone already. Adding LU would make them want out even more but it doesn't necessarily mean their chances of leaving are any better.

Those are two programs that I'm very excited to see App play, hopefully they are around long enough for that to happen.

appmandan · Unread post by **appmandan** » Wed Apr 03, 2013 1:40 pm

GlassOnion wrote:Easy gentlemen.

We've only got to stick around long enough to be noticed by the SEC or ACC.

Wow.... I hate to sound like a Debbie Downer, but please don't hold your breath. If schools like WVU are being passed by the SEC and ACC, what makes you think they're going to invite us in the next 10-20 years? I love the optimisim though.

I personally don't quite understand how Liberty being part of the Sun Belt would be a bad thing. BYU seemed to do well the MWC and (until they split of course) the Catholic schools didn't seem to hurt anyone in the Big East. I know they didn't have football teams, but we're talking conference affiliation, the sports played should be irrelevent.

To get back to the thread topic, I think JMU would be a great edition to the Belt. I like the idea of having schools we can build rivalries with right off the bat. JMU better get while the gettin's good.

RankinApp · Unread post by **RankinApp** » Wed Apr 03, 2013 2:00 pm

appst89 wrote:I am going to be exponentially less excited about this move if we end up in a conference with Liberty.

No doubt.

Liberty?!

BeauFoster · Unread post by **BeauFoster** » Wed Apr 03, 2013 2:36 pm

appmandan wrote:
GlassOnion wrote:Easy gentlemen.

We've only got to stick around long enough to be noticed by the SEC or ACC.

Wow.... I hate to sound like a Debbie Downer, but please don't hold your breath. If schools like WVU are being passed by the SEC and ACC, what makes you think they're going to invite us in the next 10-20 years? I love the optimisim though.

I personally don't quite understand how Liberty being part of the Sun Belt would be a bad thing. BYU seemed to do well the MWC and (until they split of course) the Catholic schools didn't seem to hurt anyone in the Big East. I know they didn't have football teams, but we're talking conference affiliation, the sports played should be irrelevent.

To get back to the thread topic, I think JMU would be a great edition to the Belt. I like the idea of having schools we can build rivalries with right off the bat. JMU better get while the gettin's good.

I'm pretty sure the comment about the ACC/SEC was made in jest.

moehler · Unread post by **moehler** » Wed Apr 03, 2013 2:36 pm

Liberty has alot of potential, well funded, tv deal, but thats the problem its just potential, they have achieved almost absolutely nothing in athletics, and they still have the stigma of being this church university founded by Faldwell. If they keep pushing athletics, spending the money etc. then maybe in 5 or 6 years after they proven themselves, then people will have a different attitude towards Liberty. I think if Benson brings them into the conference now he is betting on them contributing in the future, but not the present. The problem with that is what if Liberty sucks for the next 4 or 5 years in the SBC, finally gets good, start contributing to the confernce, then leaves, the SBC would have gotten nothing out of it. Atleast with App/GS the odds are good we should be able to have a positve effect in the conference in the very near future.

AppinVA · Unread post by **AppinVA** » Wed Apr 03, 2013 3:12 pm

Hmmm...Interesting.

@Flames_Nation
After initially rejecting Sun Belt, JMU now said to be reconsidering the offer after efforts to join C-USA and MAC have stalled.

JTApps1 · Unread post by **JTApps1** » Wed Apr 03, 2013 3:29 pm

RankinApp wrote:
appst89 wrote:I am going to be exponentially less excited about this move if we end up in a conference with Liberty.
No doubt.

Liberty?!

Who do you suggest if JMU declines the offer? I'm not campaigning for Liberty (their folks are doing plenty of that), but I don't see anyone else who is ready.

TheMoody1 · Unread post by **TheMoody1** » Wed Apr 03, 2013 3:30 pm

AppinVA wrote:Hmmm...Interesting.

@Flames_Nation
After initially rejecting Sun Belt, JMU now said to be reconsidering the offer after efforts to join C-USA and MAC have stalled.

They are probably going to get the same response App did. If these two conferences were looking for a school like JMU, App would have gotten that invitation.

newtoasu · Unread post by **newtoasu** » Wed Apr 03, 2013 3:36 pm

AppinVA wrote:Hmmm...Interesting.

@Flames_Nation
After initially rejecting Sun Belt, JMU now said to be reconsidering the offer after efforts to join C-USA and MAC have stalled.

Saw a similar twitter feed from the Texas State Rivals writer Brent Thibodeaux. He also reported that the Sun Belt has NOT moved on from JMU and that talks with Liberty are very preliminary, despite Liberty reporting them in public.

RankinApp · Unread post by **RankinApp** » Wed Apr 03, 2013 3:43 pm

JTApps1 wrote:Who do you suggest if JMU declines the offer? I'm not campaigning for Liberty (their folks are doing plenty of that), but I don't see anyone else who is ready.

I suggest the Sun Belt hold tight at 11 for the time being and pass on the championship game next year. One year isn't going to make much of a difference if it means working on JMU or another school that isn't Liberty.

fjblair · Unread post by **fjblair** » Wed Apr 03, 2013 5:58 pm

Kgfish wrote:
GlassOnion wrote:The realignments wont end soon. If UTC gets off their a$$, they could be positioned to move up in 5 years or so. They have a chance to rule the Socon without GSU and App. If they start winning titles, there is no telling how much they could grow.

Liberty, JMU, and UTC, would all be nice bus trips.

A very credible source told me the SB contacted Delaware, Towson and JMU to gauge their interest. Towson is dropping sports to stay afloat. Delaware's budget is getting deeper and deeper in the red and needs a new stradium. JMU is in a sticky political situation with a president who has been on the job about a month, extremely high student fees and no other way to fund the move to FBS in the SB.

If true here are the facts as we know them. Only three schools in our neck of the woods have entertained the idea of FBS. JMU, Liberty & Jax State. UTC has been vocal in expressing they have zero interest in FBS. JMU can't make the jum[ so we are left with a choice between Liberty and Jax State. As fans have to consider what is best for ASU athletics. Jax State is 380 miles, about 7 hours from Boone. Liberty is 230 miles or about 4 hours. With all the travel we are already facing it appears the choice is clear.

I don't if Liberty is 10 minutes away. We have nothing to gain from being associated with them and they offer nothing to the SB. It's a diploma mill with no history, no sports accomplishments and a ultra conservative bible thumping culture. Yeah let's hook up with them and go places. BTW, I'm southern baptist.

appsfan · Unread post by **appsfan** » Wed Apr 03, 2013 7:25 pm

With Liberty's AD going public about Sun Belt discussions, it allows Benson to use maximum leverage on JMU- join or let another Virginia school go FBS before you. Nothing is going to happen until after JMU's BOV meets on Friday. I wonder if a delayed entry (maybe 2015 instead of 2014) to the conference could be on the table? If JMU declines or stalls, I say move on to the next in line...

Yosef84 · Unread post by **Yosef84** » Thu Apr 04, 2013 1:18 pm

Although I have never been a fan of Jerry Falwell or Liberty University, it is not their religious leanings that bother me about this situation. I simply don't feel like they have earned this invitations. They have yet to pay real "dues" in the FCS and yet they are about to receive the same invitation that was given to App and Georgia Southern only after years of sacrifice and achievement. There is something about this that diminishes what we have accomplished, so YES...it is an emotional reaction.

If Liberty gets invited to the SBC, I'll get over it. Nothing will really change for me and i'll continue to pull for my Apps in every way possible. I get the geographic advantage they bring (as an opponent) but I would honestly rather see Jacksonville State get the nod.

asumike83 · Unread post by **asumike83** » Thu Apr 04, 2013 1:35 pm

Yosef84 wrote:If Liberty gets invited to the SBC, I'll get over it. Nothing will really change for me and i'll continue to pull for my Apps in every way possible. I get the geographic advantage they bring (as an opponent) but I would honestly rather see Jacksonville State get the nod.

+1

My preference:

1) JMU all-sports
2) JMU football only
3) Missouri State
4) Jacksonville State
5) Liberty

Gonzo · Unread post by **Gonzo** » Thu Apr 04, 2013 2:23 pm

AppinVA wrote:Hmmm...Interesting.

@Flames_Nation
After initially rejecting Sun Belt, JMU now said to be reconsidering the offer after efforts to join C-USA and MAC have stalled.

Sounds like they're experiencing an expedited version of "The App State" model of changing conferences.

Yosef84 · Unread post by **Yosef84** » Thu Apr 04, 2013 2:35 pm

Gonzo wrote:
AppinVA wrote:Hmmm...Interesting.

@Flames_Nation
After initially rejecting Sun Belt, JMU now said to be reconsidering the offer after efforts to join C-USA and MAC have stalled.
Sounds like they're experiencing an expedited version of "The App State" model of changing conferences.

that's what I am hoping also! I would be willing to bet that the JMU administration reached out to CUSA and MAC wanting some sort of assurance that a space would be available in the near future. I don't think either will give them that assurance, so they will have to make their decision and take risks without a net. I also agree with the person above who said that, if CUSA wanted that type of team, App would have been invited.

Come on JMU! Let's keep that rivalry between our schools going in the SBC!

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