http://collegemeasures.org/4-year_colle ... ion-rates/


Ran across this and I was wondering if anyone knew how accurate this information was?

appdaze wrote:http://collegemeasures.org/4-year_colle ... ion-rates/


Ran across this and I was wondering if anyone knew how accurate this information was?

Not sure the exact percentages but I've been told many times that App is usually 3rd in graduation rates behind State and UNC with UNC-W not far behind.

Did some research on graduation rates during my son's college search last fall. Put this together, from Common Data Set information published on university websites:

Yrs to Graduate
4yrs 5yrs
Duke 88.5% 93.0%
Davidson 88.0% 91.3%
Elon 77.5% 81.6%
UNC 77.1% 88.2%
UNCW 43.6% 64.4%
NCSU 41.4% 67.1%
APP 38.3% 60.9%
ECU 32.7% 54.1%
UNCA 32.7% 56.3%
UNCC 26.9% 48.4%

DoubleA wrote:Did some research on graduation rates during my son's college search last fall. Put this together, from Common Data Set information published on university websites:

Yrs to Graduate
4yrs 5yrs
Duke 88.5% 93.0%
Davidson 88.0% 91.3%
Elon 77.5% 81.6%
UNC 77.1% 88.2%
UNCW 43.6% 64.4%
NCSU 41.4% 67.1%
APP 38.3% 60.9%
ECU 32.7% 54.1%
UNCA 32.7% 56.3%
UNCC 26.9% 48.4%

Where are the HBCU's, I wonder.

JCline0429 wrote:

DoubleA wrote:Did some research on graduation rates during my son's college search last fall. Put this together, from Common Data Set information published on university websites:

Yrs to Graduate
4yrs 5yrs
Duke 88.5% 93.0%
Davidson 88.0% 91.3%
Elon 77.5% 81.6%
UNC 77.1% 88.2%
UNCW 43.6% 64.4%
NCSU 41.4% 67.1%
APP 38.3% 60.9%
ECU 32.7% 54.1%
UNCA 32.7% 56.3%
UNCC 26.9% 48.4%

Where are the HBCU's, I wonder.

Why do you ask? and I bet you also know and don't need to wonder. If you really don't know, and I don't have the numbers in front of me, but based on what I know of the HBCUs I would guess less than UNCC and maybe closer to 33% or less after 5 years, but I am guessing a bit.

What is your point, I guess is my question?

Pretty leading question......

Sorry the chart didn't copy so well from Excel. Info is based on full time, undergraduate students, 2005 cohorts. Also looked at SAT scores and high school rank. Totally un-scientific, obervation based, but it appears that high school class rank is a pretty good indicator of success and eventual graduation from college. For example, 97% of Duke's 2005 freshman class graduated in the top 25% of their high school class and 93% went on to graduate from Duke in 5yrs. The numbers are very similar for Davidson.

When you look at UNCW, 65% of UNCW's 2005 freshman class graduated in the top 25% of their high school class, and 64% went on to graduate UNCW in 5yrs. In the case of ASU's 2005 freshman class, 55% graduated high school in the top 25% of their class, and nearly 61% went on to graduate from ASU in 5yrs. Would like to see ASU continue to ramp up the numbers over time. Don't know what the numbers looked like in my era, only that SATs have gone up quite a bit and I get a sense that our school has become more selective over time, as applications have increased.

There's a can of worms within this discussion when you get into major BCS athletic programs and how some have severely compromised admission standards for certain athletes. I'll throw this out here for comment: When the typical freshman (97%) at UNC-CH finished in the top 25% of their high school class, is it OK to admit athletes who perhaps finished in the bottom half of their high school class? I say not, and this is precisely what led to the need for excessive "tutoring".

McLeansvilleAppFan wrote:

JCline0429 wrote:

DoubleA wrote:Did some research on graduation rates during my son's college search last fall. Put this together, from Common Data Set information published on university websites:

Yrs to Graduate
4yrs 5yrs
Duke 88.5% 93.0%
Davidson 88.0% 91.3%
Elon 77.5% 81.6%
UNC 77.1% 88.2%
UNCW 43.6% 64.4%
NCSU 41.4% 67.1%
APP 38.3% 60.9%
ECU 32.7% 54.1%
UNCA 32.7% 56.3%
UNCC 26.9% 48.4%

Where are the HBCU's, I wonder.

Why do you ask? and I bet you also know and don't need to wonder. If you really don't know, and I don't have the numbers in front of me, but based on what I know of the HBCUs I would guess less than UNCC and maybe closer to 33% or less after 5 years, but I am guessing a bit.

What is your point, I guess is my question?

Simple. The other public universities in the state were listed. Why did he leave out the HBCU's? Last I checked, they were members of the University system.

JCline0429 wrote:

McLeansvilleAppFan wrote:

JCline0429 wrote:

DoubleA wrote:Did some research on graduation rates during my son's college search last fall. Put this together, from Common Data Set information published on university websites:

Yrs to Graduate
4yrs 5yrs
Duke 88.5% 93.0%
Davidson 88.0% 91.3%
Elon 77.5% 81.6%
UNC 77.1% 88.2%
UNCW 43.6% 64.4%
NCSU 41.4% 67.1%
APP 38.3% 60.9%
ECU 32.7% 54.1%
UNCA 32.7% 56.3%
UNCC 26.9% 48.4%

Where are the HBCU's, I wonder.

Why do you ask? and I bet you also know and don't need to wonder. If you really don't know, and I don't have the numbers in front of me, but based on what I know of the HBCUs I would guess less than UNCC and maybe closer to 33% or less after 5 years, but I am guessing a bit.

What is your point, I guess is my question?

Simple. The other public universities in the state were listed. Why did he leave out the HBCU's? Last I checked, they were members of the University system.

Actually he left out UNCG and UNCP as well. Perhaps those were the schools his daughter was considering and so he didn't have the info on the others. Just a guess.

JCline0429 wrote:

McLeansvilleAppFan wrote:

JCline0429 wrote:

DoubleA wrote:Did some research on graduation rates during my son's college search last fall. Put this together, from Common Data Set information published on university websites:

Yrs to Graduate
4yrs 5yrs
Duke 88.5% 93.0%
Davidson 88.0% 91.3%
Elon 77.5% 81.6%
UNC 77.1% 88.2%
UNCW 43.6% 64.4%
NCSU 41.4% 67.1%
APP 38.3% 60.9%
ECU 32.7% 54.1%
UNCA 32.7% 56.3%
UNCC 26.9% 48.4%

Where are the HBCU's, I wonder.

Why do you ask? and I bet you also know and don't need to wonder. If you really don't know, and I don't have the numbers in front of me, but based on what I know of the HBCUs I would guess less than UNCC and maybe closer to 33% or less after 5 years, but I am guessing a bit.

What is your point, I guess is my question?

Simple. The other public universities in the state were listed. Why did he leave out the HBCU's? Last I checked, they were members of the University system.

Because he's a racist, and he has some beef with UNCG and UNCP. /sarcasm

If you want to know, go look it.

Actually he left out UNCG and UNCP as well. Perhaps those were the schools his daughter was considering and so he didn't have the info on the others. Just a guess.

The chart was compiled during my son's college recruitment last year and the posted version was condensed from the original Excel spreadsheet due to space limiation on this Board and due to relevance. We looked at schools that were recruiting him, or that he was interested in, and added a few others to benchmark against. Many NC schools were not included, simply because the schools were not on his radar. Some schools, like UNCC, ECU and Western were added to benchmark against ASU. Duke and UNC were added to benchmark against Partriot League schools and Davidson.

Early on, he received interest from ASU, Davidson, UNCW, a number of other CAA schools and several Patriot League schools. In looking at schools, we noticed varying graduation rates and started looking at certain attributes that may lead to higher graduation rates. BTW, these are institutional numbers derived from 2011-2012 common data sets, and are not particular to athletics. I'm not interested in APR %, I wanted to know how the schools are doing in terms on graduating students on time. With rising college costs, we expect that our children will finish their four year degree on time, in four years.

One final point. We noticed when our daughter graduated from UNC-CH last spring, that she and most of her classmates were graduating on time, in four years. Turns out this is the expectation at UNC, Duke, Davidson, etc. Peer pressure and expectations can be a great motivator, to be sure.

At the end of the day, the decision was my son's choice to make. As parents, we were simply adding our guidance. The happy ending to the story is that in my son's case, he chose ASU, because of he loves the college town environment, academic programs, athletic program, and vibrant campus life. What a great day to be a Mountaineer!

ASUMountaineer wrote:

JCline0429 wrote:

McLeansvilleAppFan wrote:

JCline0429 wrote:

DoubleA wrote:Did some research on graduation rates during my son's college search last fall. Put this together, from Common Data Set information published on university websites:

Yrs to Graduate
4yrs 5yrs
Duke 88.5% 93.0%
Davidson 88.0% 91.3%
Elon 77.5% 81.6%
UNC 77.1% 88.2%
UNCW 43.6% 64.4%
NCSU 41.4% 67.1%
APP 38.3% 60.9%
ECU 32.7% 54.1%
UNCA 32.7% 56.3%
UNCC 26.9% 48.4%

Where are the HBCU's, I wonder.

Why do you ask? and I bet you also know and don't need to wonder. If you really don't know, and I don't have the numbers in front of me, but based on what I know of the HBCUs I would guess less than UNCC and maybe closer to 33% or less after 5 years, but I am guessing a bit.

What is your point, I guess is my question?

Simple. The other public universities in the state were listed. Why did he leave out the HBCU's? Last I checked, they were members of the University system.

Because he's a racist, and he has some beef with UNCG and UNCP. /sarcasm

If you want to know, go look it.

BULLSHIT! I didn't have to look up the original stats, and furthermore, I don't think there is a racist among any of the MMB'ers. No sarcasm intended.

JCline0429 wrote:

ASUMountaineer wrote: Because he's a racist, and he has some beef with UNCG and UNCP. /sarcasm

If you want to know, go look it.

BULLSHIT! I didn't have to look up the original stats, and furthermore, I don't think there is a racist among any of the MMB'ers. No sarcasm intended.

Don't think he was labeling you as one hence the sarcasm tag.

ASU-FTW wrote:

JCline0429 wrote:

ASUMountaineer wrote: Because he's a racist, and he has some beef with UNCG and UNCP. /sarcasm

If you want to know, go look it.

BULLSHIT! I didn't have to look up the original stats, and furthermore, I don't think there is a racist among any of the MMB'ers. No sarcasm intended.

Don't think he was labeling you as one hence the sarcasm tag.

I don't know how Cline couldn't have gotten something so blatantly obvious, other than he was looking to be offended.

JCline0429 wrote:

ASUMountaineer wrote:

JCline0429 wrote:

McLeansvilleAppFan wrote:

JCline0429 wrote:
Where are the HBCU's, I wonder.

Why do you ask? and I bet you also know and don't need to wonder. If you really don't know, and I don't have the numbers in front of me, but based on what I know of the HBCUs I would guess less than UNCC and maybe closer to 33% or less after 5 years, but I am guessing a bit.

What is your point, I guess is my question?

Simple. The other public universities in the state were listed. Why did he leave out the HBCU's? Last I checked, they were members of the University system.

Because he's a racist, and he has some beef with UNCG and UNCP. /sarcasm

If you want to know, go look it.

BULLSHIT! I didn't have to look up the original stats, and furthermore, I don't think there is a racist among any of the MMB'ers. No sarcasm intended.

First, calm down, Nancy. Reading before you post would do wonders for you...especially with you being so sensitive--I didn't mean to hurt your feelings.

Second, you obviously did need to look at the original stats because neither UNCG or UNCP were included and neither are HBCU's. You were wrong, try again.

Lastly, it may be time for another poll--the Yosef's Cabin's edition.

Not that sensitive. It's just that I can't stand to be labeled a racist despite the sarcasm, Betty.

JCline0429 wrote:Not that sensitive.

Sorry Cline but anyone who has followed the delphi forum has seen plenty to know that this statement is a total lie. You can argue that one til you're blue in the face but we've all seen it.

appdaze wrote:

JCline0429 wrote:Not that sensitive.

Sorry Cline but anyone who has followed the delphi forum has seen plenty to know that this statement is a total lie. You can argue that one til you're blue in the face but we've all seen it.

Yeah, I do get a bit defensive when a bunch of a holes gang up on me with bull s t criticism.

JCline0429 wrote:Not that sensitive. It's just that I can't stand to be labeled a racist despite the sarcasm, Betty.

I didn't call you a racist. Everyone with a clue could see that. I said, "he" not "you." Reading is FUNdamental. You really can't be that clueless can you?

JCline0429 wrote:

appdaze wrote:

JCline0429 wrote:Not that sensitive.

Sorry Cline but anyone who has followed the delphi forum has seen plenty to know that this statement is a total lie. You can argue that one til you're blue in the face but we've all seen it.

Yeah, I do get a bit defensive when a bunch of a holes gang up on me with bull s t criticism.

No one ganged up on you.

No one called you a racist.

You're the one calling names and cursing. Yes, for some reason you are way too sensitive when anonymous posters criticize you. Why? I have no idea. You'd think by your age you'd have thicker skin...or, at least a clue that stuff posted here isn't really all that important. And, certainly not worth getting upset or "defensive" about.

Again, quit looking to be offended and you won't be offended. It's time to grow up.